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Must Science Declare a Holy War on Religion?
Los Angeles Times ^ | August 11, 2009 | Chris Mooney and Sheril Kirshenbaum

Posted on 08/11/2009 1:05:47 PM PDT by nickcarraway

The so-called New Atheists are attacking the mantra of science and faith being compatible. Others in the science community question the value of confrontation.

This fall, evolutionary biologist and bestselling author Richard Dawkins -- most recently famous for his public exhortation to atheism, "The God Delusion" -- returns to writing about science. Dawkins' new book, "The Greatest Show on Earth," will inform and regale us with the stunning "evidence for evolution," as the subtitle says. It will surely be an impressive display, as Dawkins excels at making the case for evolution. But it's also fair to ask: Who in the United States will read Dawkins' new book (or ones like it) and have any sort of epiphany, or change his or her mind?

Surely not those who need it most: America's anti-evolutionists. These religious adherents often view science itself as an assault on their faith and doggedly refuse to accept evolution because they fear it so utterly denies God that it will lead them, and their children, straight into a world of moral depravity and meaninglessness. An in-your-face atheist touting evolution, like Dawkins, is probably the last messenger they'll heed.

Dawkins will, however, be championed by many scientists, especially the most secular -- those who were galvanized by "The God Delusion" and inspired by it to take a newly confrontational approach toward America's religious majority. They will help ensure Dawkins another literary success. It's certainly valuable to have the case for evolution articulated prominently and often, but what this unending polarization around evolution and religion does for the standing of science in the U.S. is a very different matter.

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1 posted on 08/11/2009 1:05:48 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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Dawkins will, however, be championed by many scientists, especially the most secular -- those who were galvanized by "The God Delusion" and inspired by it to take a newly confrontational approach toward America's religious majority.

Antitheist atheists aren't "secular". Their religion is atheism. It forms their worldview and emboldens them to lash out at the other "false" religions of the world.

2 posted on 08/11/2009 1:20:23 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: nickcarraway
bestselling author Richard Dawkins -- most recently famous for his public exhortation to atheism, "The God Delusion" -- returns to writing about science.

Hahaha. Apart from co-authoring a couple papers in the 1970's on parasite wasps, since when has Dr. Dawkins ever written about testable, observable natural processes (i.e., science)? Look carefully at his list of publications and it is easy to see he has made a career, not as a scientist, but as a demagogue and rather ignorant ideological cheerleader.

Keep it up, Dr. Dawkins. Every time you put your pen to paper I see more Ph.D's reading what you write and later citing it as the reason they first began questioning naturalism and Darwinism.

3 posted on 08/11/2009 1:26:12 PM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: nickcarraway
bestselling author Richard Dawkins -- most recently famous for his public exhortation to atheism, "The God Delusion" -- returns to writing about science.

Hahaha. Apart from co-authoring a couple papers in the 1970's on parasite wasps, since when has Dr. Dawkins ever written about testable, observable natural processes (i.e., science)? Look carefully at his list of publications and it is easy to see he has made a career, not as a scientist, but as a demagogue and rather ignorant ideological cheerleader.

Keep it up, Dr. Dawkins. Every time you put your pen to paper I see more Ph.D's reading what you write and later citing it as the reason they first began questioning naturalism and Darwinism.

4 posted on 08/11/2009 1:26:44 PM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: nickcarraway
I truly believe that atheism is a toxic poison to any civilized society and most particuarly western civilization.

It's not coindicental that the first sin mentioned in the Bible was man's attempt to displace God w/ himself. That path leads only to death.

It was ever such.

5 posted on 08/11/2009 1:30:26 PM PDT by Pietro
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Dawkins will have nothing new to add to this argument, for there isn't anything new to add to it. All the arguments for and against theism have been discussed to death. Science has not found any new evidence to support its views on the origin of the universe, much less why there is a universe. It is still trying to prove the existence of dark matter. When or if science can answer these questions, then atheists/secularists will have something new to add to the argument. Until then, it will be the same old, same old. Dawkins is just preaching to the choir.
6 posted on 08/11/2009 1:32:41 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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No less than 6 times in the article do the authors qualify the conflict between the evolutionists and the biblical literalists as being in the US, or American, or in the country.

Through-out the rest of the world, it is an entirely different story.

7 posted on 08/11/2009 1:34:23 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Pietro

Must Religion Declare a Holy War on Science?


8 posted on 08/11/2009 1:36:35 PM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: nickcarraway

“They will help ensure Dawkins another literary success,” it’s got to be all about the money.


9 posted on 08/11/2009 1:38:33 PM PDT by glide625
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To: SunTzuWu

Of course not. The truth, like a cork, will allways rise to the top.


10 posted on 08/11/2009 1:40:09 PM PDT by Pietro
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To: glide625

Just another of those confrontational cottage industries. Those who earn money writing and lecturing about it care about it.


11 posted on 08/11/2009 1:46:10 PM PDT by texmexis best (uency)
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So right; man, we need to get on some bandwagon to make some money; I just haven’t come up with one yet.


12 posted on 08/11/2009 1:55:28 PM PDT by glide625
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To: nickcarraway

Science is the study of God’s laws.


13 posted on 08/11/2009 1:56:25 PM PDT by Miztiki
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To: nickcarraway
The holes in Dawkins logic, as presented in his books, are big enough to drive a whole convoy of trucks through. He jumps from unproven points into massive and unsupported deductions from those. The arrogance of the man is astounding.
14 posted on 08/11/2009 1:56:34 PM PDT by dog breath
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To: nickcarraway
I'm not of particularly strong religious beliefs, in fact I would consider myself borderline atheist who would like to be pleasantly surprised by proof of a God. One of the things that is starting to convince me more of God's existence (and that of evil) is the absolute rabid hatred
some people have for Christianity. Most of these people have
seen no harm from Christians whatsoever. I would think that
this would make them indifferent, not hateful. Does this mean that there IS a force influencing them?
15 posted on 08/11/2009 1:56:44 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (What's "My Struggle" in Kenyan?)
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One thing you need to notice -

in effect, it’s ONLY Christianity that is the subject of the rabid hatred you’re seeing. That’s because it is the TRUTH, and everything else is the product of LIES.

Check out some of the Lee Stroebel “Case for” books/videos/audios. He was an atheist journalist that set out to prove Christianity false, and ended up convincing himself of the truth of Christianity with what he found.


16 posted on 08/11/2009 1:59:58 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: SunTzuWu

Maybe science should throw out all the science that came from religion, like all the scientific knowledge preserved by the Catholic Church, and the science of genetics, since it was discovered by a Catholic priest.


17 posted on 08/11/2009 2:10:12 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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Well, they’d have to throw out Newtonian physics and Einstein and the scientific method as well. Not that the latter would be a loss. Certainly Dawkins isn’t using it.


18 posted on 08/11/2009 2:45:59 PM PDT by Seruzawa (Obamalama lied, the republic died.)
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To: CrazyIvan
"One of the things that is starting to convince me more of God's existence (and that of evil) is the absolute rabid hatred some people have for Christianity."

My maternal grandfather was that way. He was also my only grandparent who, as the end of his life neared, was obviously very afraid to die.

19 posted on 08/11/2009 3:23:57 PM PDT by Ranald S. MacKenzie
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To: nickcarraway

Oh my...But surely they know God created science just like everything else!

No...they’re blind...


20 posted on 08/11/2009 3:30:06 PM PDT by LadyPilgrim ((Lifted up was He to die; It is finished was His cry; Hallelujah what a Savior!!!!!! ))
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