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Global Cooling/Warming hysteria: What happened to science?
Examiner.com ^ | August 21, 2009 | Steve LaNore

Posted on 08/21/2009 8:11:50 PM PDT by neverdem

I have posted several recent commentaries over the past few months which dispute both global warming being caused primarily by carbon dioxide (it may have a smaller contribution) as well as any global cooling "ice age" scenario.

Why? Not due to any political ideology I assure you, but because the data is not consistent with either viewpoint. I am unconvinced in particular that mankind is causing global warming. First of all, the warming has taken a vacation for about the past five or six years, which doesn't make sense as CO2 increases every year.

Second, frequently touted facts such as shrinking arctic sea ice (true) prove nothing about human caused climate change. It is readily admitted by the NSIDC (www.nsidc.org) that changing weather patterns and ocean currents are the primary drivers behind recent years of summer ice melt. Furthermore, 30 years is a darned short time span in which to draw any conclusion (from ice trends) on either cooling or warming!

Having said all that, we owe it to ourselves as a civilization to continue research and not follow the mantra of the elite, nor to buy into the hysteria of conspiracy-minded websites.

I invite you to read the article linked to here(pdf) which is authored by a scientist much more learned than I and to do it with an open mind. On the flip side, you’ll find as you investigate the "Al Gore" side of global warming people that are equally sincere and convinced of their viewpoint: but it's based on modeling and a very short time scale of data, which places the science supporting the anthropogenic warming on shakier ground.

And right now global warming is on vacation; I just hope legitimate scientific inquiry and dissent is not.


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Christopher Monckton, one of the most eloquent agw deniers, is the editor for the pdf link.
1 posted on 08/21/2009 8:11:51 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
the warming has taken a vacation for about the past five or six years, which doesn't make sense as CO2 increases every year.

Remove but one assumption and it can make sense.

2 posted on 08/21/2009 8:18:59 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: neverdem
Just read it.

I can summarize it for the AGW crowd in just one word.

"PWN3D."

Cheers!

3 posted on 08/21/2009 8:19:12 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: neverdem
Unlike the theory that human emissions of carbon dioxide might cause harmful global warming, it is accepted scientific fact that ice ages periodically recur—and that one is due to begin at some pont over the next several thousand years (give or take 5 to 10 thousand years or so.)

However, any claim that an ice age will begin within a few short years (although not impossible in principle) is pure speculation, not science.

4 posted on 08/21/2009 8:19:43 PM PDT by sourcery (Obama Lied. The Economy Died!)
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To: neverdem
What happened to science?

My favorite blog has a theory about that, too....

Think about how complicated everyday life would be if we didn't all agree that "=" is a definite statement of identity. What would life be like if, on one day, two plus two was equal to four, and on another day, it was not? It might make an interesting story to ponder just how fast a complex civilization would melt down if all of a sudden people couldn't agree on the meaning of "equals."

5 posted on 08/21/2009 8:23:07 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (this slope is getting slippereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...)
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To: neverdem

Ah well, in the good old days we used to just wage war on our neighbors and sacrifice the POW’s to the gods. Didn’t help with the weather, but we threw a good party after each sacrifice.


6 posted on 08/21/2009 8:23:17 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: sionnsar
Remove but one assumption and it can make sense.

That there could be some plausible explanation for the recent decrease in global temperature (which I challenge, by the way,) does not save the recent temperature record as any sort of proof of the AGW theory. And without that proof, AGW is dead in the water.

7 posted on 08/21/2009 8:25:12 PM PDT by sourcery (Obama Lied. The Economy Died!)
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To: neverdem
What happened to science?

Politics.

8 posted on 08/21/2009 8:26:07 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama? Not so much.)
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To: neverdem
Climate is what we expect,
weather is what we get.

ROBERT HEINLEIN

9 posted on 08/21/2009 8:30:31 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: neverdem
Just reading my newspaper- 2 days record highs for L.A. Civic Center:

Aug 18 record high 102 set 8/18/ 1885

Aug 19 record high 106 set 8/19/ 1885

What was the population back then? How many Jets were flying back then? The hoax being put out there is evil.

10 posted on 08/21/2009 8:56:16 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: sionnsar
Back in the 50's, 60's, and 70's, we burned a ton of 'dirty' coal which put a significant amount of particulate in our atmosphere. Then the EPA was formed to staunch these emissions, not to save the atmosphere mind you, but to stop the acid rain in upstate New York. The end result of their efforts (besides helping kill our steel and auto industries and not allowing coal power plants to be built in our country) was to remove the particulates from emissions before they entered the atmosphere. These particulates are beleived to have been responsible for 'global cooling' (much like what happens after a massive volcano eruption).

keep in mind that the worry in the mid 70's was that there was an impending new Ice Age ...

30 years later, we have now shifted our manufacturing to China and India and they are building one and a half coal fired power plants every week. These plants are emitting so much sulfuric acid that we are now seeing acid rain on islands to the east of China. And the result of China burning dirty coal is to put huge amounts of particulate into the atmosphere

These enviro-nuts are refusing to let us build 'clean-coal' and nuclear plants in our country where we could actually control the emissions and are instead killing our economy and putting the control in the hands of other countries that couldn't give a $hit about their environmental views.

Al Gore shot his load too soon ... it's not warming that is coming ... it's cooling. That's why the enviro nuts had to switch from 'Global Warming' to 'Climate Change'.

Their main problem is, that if you want to stop 'Climate Change', you need to allow responsible use of the natural resources. The enviro-nuts are playing a zero-sum game in our country and, because of that, we can't compete economically with the far east. They are killing our country and we will soon lose our influence on global affairs.

11 posted on 08/21/2009 9:06:35 PM PDT by ChiefJayStrongbow
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To: neverdem
Science? We don't need no steenkin' Science!


12 posted on 08/21/2009 9:07:03 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: grey_whiskers
I can summarize it for the AGW crowd in just one word.

"PWN3D."

What does that mean for those who don't know, and what's its derivation?

13 posted on 08/21/2009 9:22:19 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

What really bothers me is the corruption of science. This issue of CO2 and the greenhouse effect is not a new one to physics and has been quashed years ago. The thermal blanket of CO2 that we have in the earth supposedly warms us by trapping radiation, but this principle violates physics. You probably were taught that a greenhouse (and the earth) are warmed because radiation enters, hits the ground, is converted to infrared, and is stopped by glass (or CO2). This is a myth disproven as early as 1909. Greenhouses actually become warm by limiting convection, and this isn’t the issue with the earth. So, given that this is well known, the climatologists who tell you otherwise are flat out lying.


14 posted on 08/21/2009 9:25:11 PM PDT by ElectronVolt
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To: neverdem
"PWN3D."

What does that mean for those who don't know, and what's its derivation?

PWN3D = Pwned = mistyped "Owned". It's online gamer talk. They type fast while gaming, and they often mistype. "Owned" means "I got you!"

15 posted on 08/21/2009 9:27:46 PM PDT by ElectronVolt
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To: ElectronVolt

Thank you.


16 posted on 08/21/2009 9:33:43 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: ElectronVolt

You are right on! I am embarrassed by the so called scientists of today - it seems to be all politics to them.

Just goes to show that you can NOT take any scientist’s view as truth - they are just probably trying to justify their existence or looking for another grant.

In all...geez, the world to becoming political - hell with science...


17 posted on 08/21/2009 10:09:33 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: neverdem

There is golobal cooling at the moment. At some point it will warm again.

It’s a cycle.


18 posted on 08/21/2009 10:32:27 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Mark
What was the population back then? How many Jets were flying back then?

It was the Horse farts.

And covered up by the lobby of the powerful and evil, greedy equine industry, of course.
19 posted on 08/21/2009 10:44:44 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Fear the government, pray for the country)
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To: neverdem
It's immature geek speak for PWNED, which (legend has it) derives from the World of Warcraft. Supposedly if you play against the computer and it beats you, the ending screen was meant to say "OWNED" but due to a typo it came out "PWNED"...

Typically used as a term of mocking and derision, much as "FAIL" is.

Cheers!

20 posted on 08/21/2009 10:51:53 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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