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Gravity waves 'around the corner'
Nature News ^ | 19 August 2009 | Calla Cofield

Posted on 08/22/2009 10:05:51 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 08/22/2009 10:05:52 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
*smirk*
Good luck with that.
2 posted on 08/22/2009 10:07:31 PM PDT by allmost
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To: neverdem

“Violent yet rare events, such as a supernova explosion or the collision of two black holes, should make the biggest and most detectable waves.”


Unless your presuppositions regarding such objects/events are completely false...


3 posted on 08/22/2009 10:12:48 PM PDT by dadgum (Security System. Dog. 12 gauge. 3" magnum turkey loads. Shovel.)
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Astro-Space Pings


4 posted on 08/22/2009 10:20:11 PM PDT by JerseyJohn61 (Better Late Than Never.......sometimes over lapping is worth the effort....)
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To: neverdem
So then, what happens? Do we get heavier or something?

Where can I buy some "gravity offsets"?
5 posted on 08/22/2009 10:25:22 PM PDT by FrankR (We are only enslaved to the extent of charity we receive....INCUMBENTS OUT!!!)
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To: dadgum

True enough, if you accept an unproven hypothesis, it’s tough to explain when things don’t work out.


6 posted on 08/22/2009 10:25:35 PM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: neverdem

Have any of Einstein’s equations or theories proven to be wrong?


7 posted on 08/22/2009 10:37:20 PM PDT by Larry381 ("in the final instance civilization is always saved by a platoon of soldiers" Oswald Spengler)
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To: neverdem

It’s the gravity Tsunami I’m worried about, those
things are too big to surf! Well, maybe not for
the Silver Surfer...


8 posted on 08/22/2009 11:03:03 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: neverdem
I'm amazed given just how small the predicted effects are they have come up with something that might see them.
9 posted on 08/22/2009 11:25:43 PM PDT by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: FrankR
Where can I buy some "gravity offsets"?

I think the Democrat party is selling them now that Obama has lost his gravitas.

10 posted on 08/22/2009 11:53:51 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: Larry381
Have any of Einstein’s equations or theories proven to be wrong?

Yes, all of them when applied to subatomic particles. Einstein's theory of relativity applies to very large objects like solar systems and objects traveling near the speed of light. In those cases his theories give accurate results when compared to the measurements. But when applied to subatomic particles his theories do not match the measured results. That is where quantum mechanics come in. Quantum mechanics describes subatomic particles accurately.

Einstein's theory of relative and quantum mechanics contradict each other. They can't both be true, and both are probably false. So the hunt is on for the Theory of Everything (T.O.E.) that will describe both objects moving near the speed of light and subatomic particles. One of the candidates is super string theory. This is strictly theoretical since the proposed strings are too small to detect with instruments. One of the things it predicts is the graviton, a particle of gravity. But the graviton has not shown up yet.

11 posted on 08/23/2009 12:08:38 AM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: stripes1776

The graviton won’t show up. String theories are garbage science IMO. Even it’s proponents concede that to even begin getting useful results they need to fudge in an extra dimension, M-theory. 11 dimensions to describe a three dimensional, inverse square, phenomenon. The two competing theories currently used work extremely well in there respective fields. The concept and model of gravity is wrong.


12 posted on 08/23/2009 12:42:44 AM PDT by allmost
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13 posted on 08/23/2009 12:58:22 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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Have any of Einstein’s equations or theories proven to be wrong?

Try doing google searches on "Dayton Miller"...

14 posted on 08/23/2009 2:24:25 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946

Yup.

Michelson-Morley found a drift, but it was within the margin of error of the experiment, so it was discounted.

What always gets me is that to validate Einstein, they say that there was no drift, but then they come back and say that to validate Einstein, we need gravity waves, which is to say instead of the object accelerating in space, we have space somehow accelerating past the object.


15 posted on 08/23/2009 2:33:38 AM PDT by djf (The "racism" spiel is a crutch, those who unashamedly lean on it, cripples!)
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To: dadgum
Unless your presuppositions regarding such objects/events are completely false...

Unfortunately the article seems to miss that obvious point. The most important aspect of the failure to detect gravity waves is that is brings into at least some doubt the validity of Einstein's General Theory of Relativity. That is a very big deal and, IMHO, a source of great embarrassment to the physics community.

16 posted on 08/23/2009 4:13:59 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: dadgum
"Unless your presuppositions regarding such objects/events are completely false..."

Plenty of hard evidence for both.

17 posted on 08/23/2009 4:31:33 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: Larry381

cosmological constant

“God does not play dice.”


18 posted on 08/23/2009 4:51:12 AM PDT by sig226 (Real power is not the ability to destroy an enemy. It is the willingness to do it.)
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To: neverdem

Y’know, I thought I heard somethin’ in the other room...

‘Non-discovery’ of space-time ripples opens door to birth of the Universe
The Times | 8/20/2009 | Mark Henderson
Posted on 08/19/2009 7:20:29 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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19 posted on 08/23/2009 9:02:06 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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Thanks neverdem.

One thing I like about the String Theory ping list is, the volume is typically so low that I can ping more or less duplicate topics with impunity. ;')

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20 posted on 08/23/2009 9:03:10 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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