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And Giuliani, customarily brusque, told people, including professor Gates, across the land: "Here's the lesson ... shut up when a cop is asking you questions!" (Fox News, July 31).

Surprisingly sound advice coming from Rudy.

1 posted on 08/24/2009 9:51:55 AM PDT by IbJensen
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"Black parents are using this as a case in point of what they have been saying all along" to their children, "Racism hasn't gone away."

The black parents who say this to their children KEEP racism alive by abusing their children verbally. They tell them that no white man will ever like them or see them as an individual or a black person.

2 posted on 08/24/2009 9:53:30 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barry Falsewitness is proud of his "healthy skepticism" of organized religion. He's a deceiver.)
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Chris Rock has some good advice, too.
4 posted on 08/24/2009 9:56:04 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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If white males made up 6% of the population and committed 40% of the crime, would the police be profiling if more than 6% of their stops were white males?
5 posted on 08/24/2009 9:57:06 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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data collection program that requires officers to note the race and ethnicity of motorists they stop on the road.”

So...They are requiring police to profile?


6 posted on 08/24/2009 9:57:11 AM PDT by Paisan
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Those of us who want to see racism on its way out need to realize that others benefit greatly from crying racism. They benefit politically, financially, and socially.

Obama has been allied with such people for decades.

Anyone who can believe that Obama did not understand what the racist rants of Jeremiah Wright meant can believe anything.

Thomas Sowell —


7 posted on 08/24/2009 9:57:32 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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Gov. David Paterson

All Wee-Wee'd up over having been born Black!

8 posted on 08/24/2009 9:58:38 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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Furthermore - and I hope other police departments will take notice - Suffolk County Executive Steve Levy told Newsday: "Last year, for the first time, we completed a pilot program where we collected statistics to help identify a baseline for traffic stops and to red-flag officers who differed significantly from peers when making these stops."

Wow... just... wow. So is it their policy to have LEOs specifically ignore black motorists and focus on white ones to prevent getting red flagged? What the Hell is going on in this country?

9 posted on 08/24/2009 9:59:06 AM PDT by rarestia ("One man with a gun can control 100 without one." - Lenin / MOLWN LABE!)
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There are few things more difficult to overcome than a person who thinks he is a victim - and doesn’t mind boasting about it.

That angle is used as a cultural hammer by those who think it is their duty to perpetuate their home grown righteousness.

That kind of thinking is contrary to leading a good and decent life.

It’s bull durham.


10 posted on 08/24/2009 9:59:58 AM PDT by RexBeach
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Uh, forgot the “Barf Alert” for this one.


12 posted on 08/24/2009 10:02:02 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins.)
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I hope they really are not saying stupid stuff about the police - they are just setting their children up for failure later in life.

Grow up and move along ...

All great change in America begins at the dinner table. - Ronald Reagan


13 posted on 08/24/2009 10:03:12 AM PDT by Patrsup (To stubborn to change now)
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Why don’t we just re segregate? Really. Blacks are never going to think anything other than we are racists no matter what we do. I am finished. I have never treated a person of any color any different than any one else. This is bull and I just as soon let them go back to being their own community and let me be in mine if that is how they want it.


16 posted on 08/24/2009 10:05:14 AM PDT by wombtotomb (Equal opportunity does NOT mean equal outcome!!)
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And on CNN, Colin Powell chimed in with his advice to black children: "When you're faced with an officer who is trying to do his job and get to the bottom of something, this is not the time to get in an argument with him. I was taught that as a child."

As a white child, I too, was taught this Mr. Powell. Any idiot who ever has watched "Cops" on TV also knows this to be true. It's called respect for the law.

Sage advice to "black" children which could have been given in a non-racial context.

Only problem is that, like our President, you feel that any and every injustice that life has imposed on you is racially motivated.

As a white adult, whenever I have faced life's injustices, I haven't had the luxury of slamming the race card on the table.

17 posted on 08/24/2009 10:06:55 AM PDT by sonofagun
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Contrary to the myth we were fed for decades.

Middle class blacks are more liberal than poor ones.

Money didn’t fix squat. Education probably hurt...it does everyone now.

(ok...a few exceptions like maybe 2-3%)


19 posted on 08/24/2009 10:08:22 AM PDT by wardaddy (Ya'll don't get too cocky about Bro's malaise...Toon came back too)
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And on CNN, Colin Powell chimed in with his advice to black children: "When you're faced with an officer who is trying to do his job and get to the bottom of something, this is not the time to get in an argument with him. I was taught that as a child."

That is the case if you are black, white or any shade in between. If you have a problem with "da man" wait until the immediate incident is past, and then take it to the next level. Never get into a one-on-one with someone who has more authority than you have at that moment. Senator Foghorn doesn't have more authority than the newby patrolman when Senator F has been stopped for an infraction, real or imagined.

20 posted on 08/24/2009 10:08:45 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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Nat Hentoff is stepping very gingerly here. Hard to tell what he’s trying to say.


21 posted on 08/24/2009 10:08:46 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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As for blacks' encounters with police nationally, in 1995, Henry Louis Gates Jr. (before he became a household name) wrote in the Oct. 23 New Yorker magazine: "It's a commonplace that white folks trust the police and black folks don't.

Wrong Mr.Gates, I trust no one.

23 posted on 08/24/2009 10:09:42 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen
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Talking about race as if skin color mattered is just taking us back to the bad old days of Jim Crow. These Liberals want us back in the 1950's. I say No. I urge these throwback Progressives to step up to at least 1963 and actually listen to Martin Luther King's great speech about a color blind society where people are judged by the content of their character.

We've got to stop saying "Race, race, race, race". The people who do that ARE the problem. Play the race card -- lose the game.

25 posted on 08/24/2009 10:11:35 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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There are ‘racist’ in this nation, they now run the political and educational ‘scientific methodology’ pillars of our society. And their chickens are coming home to roooooost. They apparently need their ‘religious’ component to finish off their taking over our economic pillars.... Bama said they have a partnership with their ‘god’ to make life and death decisions.

It is more than sickening how so many peoples under these GODless minds that have been squandered.

26 posted on 08/24/2009 10:11:50 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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And on CNN, Colin Powell chimed in with his advice to black children: "When you're faced with an officer who is trying to do his job and get to the bottom of something, this is not the time to get in an argument with him. I was taught that as a child."

Wow, funny thing. I was taught to be respectful to police officers as a child.

29 posted on 08/24/2009 10:14:40 AM PDT by mojito
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"...In the same article, Gates added that "blacks - in particular black men - swap their experiences of police encounters like war stories." Almost as soon I got to know and hang out with black jazz musicians decades ago, I heard a lot of those war stories..."

Well, there you go. It's all because of those pesky, oppressive cops. I mean hell, everyone knows what fine, upstanding, model citzens those Jazz Musicians are.

30 posted on 08/24/2009 10:15:17 AM PDT by conservativeharleyguy (Democrats: Over 60 million fooled daily!)
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