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The Air Force Seeks the F-22's Low-Tech Alternative (bring back the Mustang?)
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| 8/27/2009
| Mark Thompson
Posted on 08/27/2009 7:17:59 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: Dumpster Baby
Radar profile looks pretty high.
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posted on
08/27/2009 7:45:45 AM PDT
by
ROTB
(Love your enemies, in the name and faith of Christ.)
To: taxcontrol
A-10s fly over Lake of the Ozarks from the AFB just north of us nearly every day.
To: markomalley
Sounds like the Il-2 Sturmovik or the tank-busting version of the JU-87 Stuka. Not sure that this kind of aircraft is going to survive with radar-guided guns and MANPADS.
I guess it’s “Back to the Future” at Gates’ Pentagon.
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posted on
08/27/2009 7:46:38 AM PDT
by
Tallguy
("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
To: faucetman
Exactly, Bi-planes would be cheaper I imagine they could build a decent biplane for about ... oh ... $200M each.
44
posted on
08/27/2009 7:47:54 AM PDT
by
ClearCase_guy
(Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
To: Don Corleone
you just put a smile on my face!!!!!!!!
45
posted on
08/27/2009 7:47:58 AM PDT
by
joe fonebone
(When you ask God for help, sometimes he sends the Marines.)
To: Dumpster Baby
On point! We need the Raptor; the cost of NOT having enough is far, far greater that its total outlay.
46
posted on
08/27/2009 7:48:08 AM PDT
by
Loud Mime
(barastikas = Obama's logos)
To: Lx; All
The two contenders mentioned -
Hawker-Beechcraft T-6
Super Tucano
Very similar looking....
47
posted on
08/27/2009 7:48:28 AM PDT
by
az_gila
(AZ - need less democrats - one Governor down... more to go.)
To: markomalley
48
posted on
08/27/2009 7:49:56 AM PDT
by
RobinOfKingston
(Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
To: Eric in the Ozarks
When I was an Army Infantry Sergent in Germany in the 80’s, one flew 100+ feet over our position. It came up from behind us and flew directly over my track. Never heard a thing till is was already flying past us. Damn scary to know that you would have been dead and never even see it coming.
To: GonzoGOP
WW2 fighters showed up on radar just fine. Their frames might not be metal, but their engines were. See my post #39 for a better solution.
Once the F-22 and such have eliminated air threats, we can hit the ground with next-generation UAVs. You can put guns and rockets on them too, besides missiles and bombs.
50
posted on
08/27/2009 7:50:01 AM PDT
by
PapaBear3625
(Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
To: ArrogantBustard
oh c’mon.....i do not recommend pulling the prints from 1950 and building it..there are some excellent propeller driven attack planes out there, design and build would be inexpensive compared to 4th or 5th generation aircraft...the platform is a starting point..
51
posted on
08/27/2009 7:50:13 AM PDT
by
joe fonebone
(When you ask God for help, sometimes he sends the Marines.)
To: Regulator
The arsenal of democracy has been torn down, dismantled, crated up, shipped out, retired and outsourced.
If telling that truth makes me an evil protectionist, so be it. (Personally I prefer the term “Self preservationist”)
52
posted on
08/27/2009 7:50:39 AM PDT
by
cripplecreek
(Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
To: Little Ray
We need NCO pilots and something equivalent to the A-1 Skyraider for COIN air support. Another aircraft that would be perfect would be a buffed-up OV-10 Bronco.Whatever they come-up with should probably be operated by the Army. It would be a nice complement to the AH-64. If the USAF gets a hold of it, they'll want to do deeper interdiction missions, put some radar in it, and before you know it you won't be able to afford it.
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posted on
08/27/2009 7:51:11 AM PDT
by
Tallguy
("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
To: Loud Mime
We certainly do need the Raptor ... but not for CAS and counter-insurgency.
A1 is a great example of 1950s technology answer to the CAS/CI problem.
A10 has become a great example of 1970s airframe augmented by 1990s avionics answer to the same problem.
I'd like to think we've learned a few things since then, so that A-next will make both of them look wimpy.
Trouble is we currently have an anti-American poltroon in the White House.
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posted on
08/27/2009 7:53:57 AM PDT
by
ArrogantBustard
(Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
To: GonzoGOP
To: joe fonebone
i do not recommend pulling the prints from 1950 Maybe we're on the same page, then ...
56
posted on
08/27/2009 7:56:00 AM PDT
by
ArrogantBustard
(Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
To: taxcontrol
A-10s fly over in pairs, usually two pairs within seconds of each other. I'm told they line up and “destroy” one of the bridges over the lake...
To: PapaBear3625
Actually the Mosquito had a very low signature due to being made out of plywood. And they weren't trying to lower the signature, it was just an accident. Now use carbon fiber for the props instead of metal and bury the engines in the wings and you have an aircraft that while not invisible is hard to see. Tack on a GAU-8 in place of the internal bomb bay and four 20mm and you have a Stealth Hog.
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posted on
08/27/2009 7:56:22 AM PDT
by
GonzoGOP
(There are millions of paranoid people in the world, and they are all out to get me.)
To: markomalley
The Obama Fighter:
59
posted on
08/27/2009 7:58:13 AM PDT
by
sticker
To: Apercu
News flash -in an effort to cut Defense spending, Obama announced Chariots to replace M-1A1 Abrams Battle Tanks. Don't be silly, Bozo knows we need tanks not Chariots so he is going to have GM tool up for the M4. It won WWII didn't it?/SAR
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posted on
08/27/2009 7:58:45 AM PDT
by
calex59
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