Posted on 08/28/2009 8:53:44 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Polling data has revealed a trend indicating that “America is not a Christian nation.”[1] Although a large majority of Americans outwardly claim to be Christian, their inward beliefs are actually non-Christian. Why is this so?
Classic Christianity is based on certain fundamental doctrines that are clearly taught in the Bible, such as the universality of sin, the universality of access to the Savior, and the exclusivity of that Savior.[2] But apparently, many of those who call themselves Christians deny that Jesus Christ is the only Savior.
Newsweek reported, “According to a 2008 Pew Forum survey, 65 percent of us believe that ‘many religions can lead to eternal life,’” but “76 percent of us continue to identify as Christian.”[1] What kind of “Christianity” denies the very Christ for whom it is named?
The Bible speaks of a future time when...
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nice mirror...great for the bedroom...for young marrieds..lol
but what’s yer point?
There, fixed it.
There's no more reason to believe that the ToE is true than the Bible, if you're going to strip the Bible of it's credibility like that.
Another evo stating that if you don't believe as the evos do, then your faith is weak.
roll eyes.....
Who made you the judge of what is strong faith and what is weak faith and on what basis? What is the Scriptural criteria that you use to make that determination?
It's odd that evos accuse creationists of having weak faith when evos depend so heavily on evidence and then turn around and accuse creationists who supply evidence to support their viewpoint of having weak faith because they depend on evidence, not faith.
So, which is it evos?
Does depending on evidence demonstrate weak faith, or does depending on God demonstrate weak faith?
Creationists are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
If they use evidence, they have weak faith. If they don't accept the ToE which depends on evidence, they have weak faith.
Not after two world wars and 100+ million dead.
>> Every SINGLE person who authored, edited, or compiled the various books of the Bible was Human and subject to Human error.
An idolater is a person who worships a man-made object. Anybody here fall into that category?
Please!
You strict Creationists slur the faith of those who are open to the subject of Evolution -—
Yet you get all insulted when we tell you that YOUR faith is lacking.
Tough.
There is no moral justification for you to question the faith of those of us to disagree with you on this issue.
There is great moral justification for me to question your faith, if you can not be humble enough to admit what we all simply will not know for sure until our own deaths.
God will laugh at you on this subject.
I am sure, however, that He will have some words for me, on other subjects.
If you do not have the faith to believe that all things are possible with God, it is your faith which is weak, not mine.
The Bible makes the claim for itself that it is inspired and preserved, which means that the humans involved in writing (not authoring) and editing it were supernaturally preserved from error and perfectly transmitted the message God wanted us to have.
Since you're arguing that all things are possible with God, then surely you have no problem accepting the perfect inspiration and preservation of Scripture, do you?
So the mirror is for the Creationist, to see themselves.
He clearly and boldly called those who said ONLY the Bible could be used as a basis of faith: IDOL Worshipers!
Now where does the Bible claim the authority that Bible-only Christians claim that the Bible has.
However, you Protestants often use it as part of “The Lord’s Prayer” -—
The words are actually “gloss” from a Catholic Monk.
The Bible is subject to error on minor details.
The Bible is intended to teach us how to live, and not intended for any scientific or historical purpose outside of that Divine purpose!
Thanks for sharing your insights, dear sister in Christ!
Science indicates to me that some degree of evolution occurs in species’ genes.
Religion informs me that God directs all.
What’s the problem?
Ah, but you just told us that all things are possible for God. Are you saying that this is NOT the case with regards to the inspiration and preservation of Scripture, all on the basis of some garbage dumped out by some Presbyterian convert to Catholicism a hundred years ago?
I don’t know that worship is the right word — but I believe and follow what I think is the core message of Christianity. It isn’t written down succinctly anywhere.
1) Trust in God. (faith)
2) Tough it out. (stoicism)
3) Be optimistic. (?)
4) Help others. (?)
Because God is so big (omnipotent, in fact) he can do something that isn’t generally talked about. He can undo the past, including whatever is evil, painful or harmful. And when something never occurred, and isn’t remembered.
Conclusion: we already live in the best of all possible worlds.
and isn’t remembered => it isn’t remembered.
I would ask, How much of the penetration of Darwinism into the American mind is the fault of nominal Christian churches in the U.S.?
Furthermore, if Darwinism is in some sense a religion, what religious need is it fulfilling that the churches are not?
I don't think these questions will be on a poll, however.
==Science indicates to me that some degree of evolution occurs in species’ genes.
Although creationists would not call it “evolution”, they would agree that God designed each created kind with the ability to adapt to changing environmental conditions within the boundaries of their original design.
Ah, but they were guided by the Holy Spirit. Do you understand that? God doesn't allow LIES. To reach fallible humans, he allowed the personality of the writer to come through to reach you. You also need to acquaint yourself with the Dead Sea Scrolls. They match what we have today.
God cannot lie! to lie is a sin. Tit.1:2 [2] In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; He can not tolerate sin, so Christ took on our penalty for sin.
2Tim.3:16
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
You don't have to believe that. You can believe that God lies. You may believe the lies fallible mortals pedal.
"More to the point, if you were to try and make the point, to uneducated, illiterate tribal people, that God created Heaven and Earth, and Man, and try hard, to make that statement, with as few scientific conflicts as possible, yet still make your work understandable to such folks, before anyone understood cell structure, DNA or anything about modern science -—"
LOL! You shouldn't insult God's spokespeople as you have done. Many of the deciples of Christ were more educated that you or I. Luke was a doctor. Judas was extremely well educated Jew of privilege - but the "world" and material things were more important to Judas - ah a moral to the account .... . I guarantee you His disciples were not "uneducated" or "tribal". Some were less educated than other but that doesn't mean they were not capable of understanding and recognizing TRUTH. He purposely appealed to many through His disciples.
When science is properly applied, it screams of GOD. Modern science supports God and His incredible intelligence. All science does is point you to God.
"You would be hard pressed to do a better job than Genesis."
OTOH, you reject God, but on the other you embrace Genesis. You embrace people like this:
The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins
(Hardcover - Jan 1, 2006)
Of course intelligent people will reject that.
God is No Delusion: A Refutation of Richard Dawkins by Thomas Crean (Paperback - Oct 31, 2007)
This is the premise of all prominent evolutionists - There is NO GOD! It is all about THEM and their monstrous EGO. They can't accept that there is something BIGGER and more INTELLIGENT than they are.
There is no indwelling of the Holy Spirit with these atheists. The Holy Spirit is mentioned all over the place. The Holy Spirit is a living spirit Being, one of the three members of the Godhead. As such He has been active throughout Bible history.
He was active in creation and in sustaining the universe (Genesis 1:2; Psalms 104:30; Job 26:13; 33:4).
Yes, He's mentioned in Genesis!
He then empowered these men to perform miracles to confirm that their message was from God (Hebrews 2:3,4; 1 Corinthians 12:4-11; Acts 2:4; 10:44-46; 14:3).
He teaches, convicts, and sanctifies sinners (John 16:8-11; 1 Corinthians 6:11; John 3:3-5; Ephesians 2:18; 1 Corinthians 12:13; 1 Peter 1:2).
He gives Christians joy, comfort, unity, love, etc. (Romans 5:5; 14:17; 15:13; Ephesians 4:3; Acts 9:31; Galatians 5:22-25; 1 Thessalonians 1:6).
He revealed God's will to men who then taught this message to others (1 Corinthians 2:10-14; Ephesians 3:3-5; Mark 13:11; John 14:26; 16:13; 2 Peter 1:21). Romans 8:9 - We should be led by the Spirit of God. If the Spirit of God (Christ) does not dwell in us, we do not belong to God.
Evolutionists and atheists do not have His Spirit indwelling in them. I state that WITHOUT apology. Clearly the Spirit does dwell in people today. In fact, the Spirit dwells in ALL true children of God, and He begins to dwell in us at the moment we become God's children (not at some later point).
"It is rather egotistical for any of us to believe that was was written, centuries ago, was meant only for our eyes."
There you go again! Contradicting YOURSELF! I agree with the OPPOSITE of your statement. It is fallible men who are not Christians that have the HUGE EGOS and DENY Himand what is in the Bible. God is humble and merciful. God is the OPPOSITE of these egotistical maniacs that have skewed science to support their hatred of God. It was written for the eyes of everyone! The choice is timeless as well - you either ACCEPT or REJECT Him!
Christianity is INCLUSIVE. Christian teachings though are EXCLUSIVE. The reason teachings are exclusive is because His teachings are the TRUTH. Others imitate Him but are flawed. When they are flawed, they are no longer TRUTH. "The audience at the time must be taken into account." Yes TRUTH is timeless and doesn't need to change for an "audience". That would be ridiculous. God is not ridiculous.
"If you do not have the faith to believe that all things are possible with God, it is your faith which is weak, not mine."
So why do you post THIS: (Do YOU really believe what YOU wrote? Really?)
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#5 "It is entirely possible to be a good Christian and accept the possibility of Evolution. We should NOT be forced into an “either / OR” decision."
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If your faith is so strong, then why do you give an allowance for LIES that compromise TRUTH? Me thinks you are confused ... . You say one thing and then go and contradict what you say with another. If your faith is strong than why do you deny Him with your other statements? I see some confusion here ....
Something to think about: Ephesians 3:17; Romans 10:17 - How does Jesus dwell in our hearts? By faith. But faith comes by hearing God's word. If you REJECT the word of God, what does that say about your "faith"? Clearly, rejecting His word, is also rejecting Him.
Think about it ... . try to be consistent - one way or the other - it's a CHOICE!
==Furthermore, if Darwinism is in some sense a religion, what religious need is it fulfilling...?
The following quote comes to mind:
“I had motive for not wanting the world to have a meaning; consequently assumed that it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption. The philosopher who finds no meaning in the world is not concerned exclusively with a problem in pure metaphysics, he is also concerned to prove that there is no valid reason why he personally should not do as he wants to do, or why his friends should not seize political power and govern in the way that they find most advantageous to themselves. … For myself, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation, sexual and political.”
Aldous Huxley: Ends and Means, pp. 270 ff.
“The Bible is subject to error on minor details.”
No. there are no errors in the Bible.
Not one!
God is perfection.
Apparently you were taught falsely about God.
Could it be that false teachings pleased the fallible mortals in your “church” that prefer their teachings over His teachings? Hmmmm?
Be careful ... eternal life is at stake.
Changes within biblical "kinds", absolutely.
Changes into other biblical "kinds" -- impossible, both biblically and statistically.
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