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Catholicism Was Comfort, Conflict For Kennedy
APReport ^ | August 28, 2009

Posted on 08/28/2009 11:28:24 AM PDT by Steelfish

Catholicism was comfort, conflict for Kennedy

His stance on abortion and divorce from wife Joan defied church teachings

BOSTON - Sen. Edward Kennedy was raised from birth to cherish his Catholicism, and it became both a source of comfort and conflict throughout his life.

The son of the country's most famous Catholic family defied church teachings when he divorced his first wife, then was granted an annulment only after he admitted he wasn't being honest when he promised her he'd be faithful. His most significant and public break with the church came with his support for abortion rights.

Yet Kennedy also advocated for signature Catholic causes, such as help for the poor, health care and immigration reform, and opposition to the Iraq war. His faith remained a regular part of his life until it ended this week with a priest at his bedside.

The apparently conflicting portrait of a man loyal to the church despite widening disagreement on key issues "almost perfectly represents" the views of most American Catholics, said Boston College professor Alan Wolfe.

"He's an effect of a process that's been going on for a very long time that started long before Teddy Kennedy was born and will continue long after Teddy Kennedy is dead," Wolfe said.

Kennedy's mother, Rose Kennedy, set the roots of his faith, emphasizing Christ's teaching in the Gospels that "to whom much is given, much will be required." When her kids were teens, she made sure they went to a weekend religious camp every year, even if they'd rather be sailing, said Adam Clymer, who worked with Kennedy on his biography. She took them to church during the week, so they knew church wasn't just for Sundays.

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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Bingo! He was catering to multiculturalism and religious plurality.


21 posted on 08/28/2009 12:15:57 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

As the media mourns the death of Ted Kennedy, columnist after columnist will lay out the case for a great man of many accomplishments. Even his opponents will compliment his speeches, his charismatic ways, and his bipartisan efforts. I’ve always found these praises from political opponents peculiar. Why praise the technique of a big government crook and abortion supporter? Admiring his speeches and charisma is like admiring the way a bank robber shoots down a security guard. Would we similarly praise the accuracy of his shot or the quickness of the getaway car? Surely not.

Simply, good men do not admire the tact of criminals. Only disturbed D.C. types can admire someone pulling the wool over the public’s eyes better than he himself can do. But, was Kennedy a simple crook, a gutter punk scoundrel? No, I think that his humanity showed in his final days.

Take for example the letter that he had President Obama personally deliver to the pope in July. No one knows what the note said exactly, but it was said to be “personal.” Though the media didn’t make a big deal of this, I thought this was ground-breaking stuff. Here we have one of the biggest proponents of abortion in the Senate on his death bed asking to have a personal note delivered to the pope.

I can’t say that the note for certain mentioned abortion or his Chappaquiddick incident, but what else could it have been about? It certainly wasn’t about the weather in Massachusetts. A friend of mine joked that perhaps it was a bulleted list of abortion’s positive aspects for one last stab at the Catholic Church. But, somehow, I doubt it. I think that many of us can imagine what our final letter to such an important holy person would be like. And were I a decades-long supporter of abortion on my death bed, it would be impossible to write the letter without considering my actions on the issue.

If this letter was ever read to the public, the political world would surely be shaken to its core. But politics aside, this one moment in his career shows Kennedy’s humanity. As proud as he might have been in the public arena, the personal Kennedy understood his faults. And at the end of the day, he turned to God and the Church for help – although his relationship with both was shaky to say the least.

Though the tale of his final letter is touching, there is a less enlightened side of the story. For one thing, it shows how little Ted Kennedy really understood his faith. He dealt with so many important moral questions in the Senate but missed the entire point of Christianity altogether – personal savior through Jesus.

Think about it. What can a letter to the pope really do for your soul that can’t be done praying alone in your hospital bed? What could the pope’s prayers do in comparison to those of your loved ones, your neighborhood priest, and your parish? Absolutely, nothing.

Sadly, his letter follows a pattern in his life. Even in his last attempts at redemption, he tried to play the same cards up his sleeve for the last time. When his recklessness at Chappaquiddick resulted in the death of a young woman, he used his political connections to get himself out of trouble. Was he trying “save” himself with his connections one last time?

Perhaps, the letter is his final mistake. Instead of coming to God personally or making his own statement about his religious feelings, he used his influential friends to send a letter to the pope.

But, real Christians know the truth. When the time of your judgment comes, connections, wealth, and clout will not help you one bit. At the very least, Ted Kennedy was reaching out to God – trying to get closer. But if he really wanted to do the Lord’s work, he had the chance. Imagine had he said that abortion was wrong publicly before his death. He had such potential and such opportunity. But instead of being courageous, he sent an influential errand boy to bail him out. The only thing necessary for his salvation was in the hospital bed with him. We can only pray that he discovered this in his final hours.


22 posted on 08/28/2009 12:38:18 PM PDT by all the best
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To: Steelfish
In his last days, Kennedy leaned hard on his faith.

I hope he asked forgiveness of his God, but the Catholic faith, no matter how much you lean on it, won't do spit for you if you believe in the execution of just one of Christ's children, much less millions of them.

If the Lord put me in charge, I'd make the blood of the aborted rain down on us all until the sins were washed clean from those that participate in this most heinous of crimes. I try to remember to pray for Ted Kennedy often (and all others of his ilk), for it is only the prayers of the believing Catholic that can save him if he hasn't already taken his seat in hell. And remember, Christ sends no one to hell; they send themselves. So if he didn't make it into purgatory, it's his own da*n fault. "Choices" Ted, "choices." May the Lord have mercy on his soul.
23 posted on 08/28/2009 12:41:56 PM PDT by mlizzy (Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration Chapels Everywhere spells P.E.A.C.E.)
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To: Steelfish
A commitment to Catholicism was not always never evident in Kennedy's personal life.
24 posted on 08/28/2009 12:48:36 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: all the best

“The only thing necessary for his salvation was in the hospital bed with him. We can only pray that he discovered this in his final hours.”

Yes, there are deathbed conversions like the good thief on Good Friday. It is not for us to judge the state of another’s soul, these are things that are for God. But we must not shy away from commenting on the consequences of his acts here on earth- for these are things that belong to Caesar. To remain silence, makes us enablers of scandal. To quote Milton, “they also serve who stand and wait”

Here’s the poem on Milton’s blindness.

When I consider how my light is spent
Ere half my days in this dark world and wide,
And that one Talent which is death to hide
Lodged with me useless, though my soul more bent
To serve therewith my Maker, and present
My true account, lest He returning chide,
“Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?”
I fondly ask. But Patience, to prevent
That murmur, soon replies, “God doth not need
Either man’s work or his own gifts. Who best
Bear his mild yoke, they serve him best. His state
Is kingly: thousands at his bidding speed,
And post o’er land and ocean without rest;
They also serve who only stand and wait.”


25 posted on 08/28/2009 12:50:39 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: zlala
If I were him, I'd certainly have pleaded for forgiveness from the Pope.

Why? The pope is just a man.

Luke 15:5(NIV) But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.
26 posted on 08/28/2009 1:04:32 PM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 ("Peace" is that brief, glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading - Anonymous)
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To: Steelfish

“country’s most famous Catholic family”. I can think of a lot more families that the Kennedy”s who would qualify for that position. Other than Eunice, I believe that all other Kennedy’ have broken almost all the sins observed by the Catholic Church


27 posted on 08/28/2009 1:06:29 PM PDT by supermop (Somebody has to clean up the mess he will leave)
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To: ansel12
Imagine how different the political landscape would be if republicans could start counting on the majority of the Catholic vote, it would be the end of liberalism as we know it.

really, not. if Catholics were Catholics, that would end the nonsense. a republic apostate is still an apostate.

As goes the church, so goes the culture. there is, therefore, hope.

28 posted on 08/28/2009 2:21:08 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: nickcarraway
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1611173/posts?page=48#48
29 posted on 08/28/2009 4:30:50 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: zlala

Confession and request for absolution must be auricular not via letter.


30 posted on 08/28/2009 4:35:34 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Sig Sauer P220
Keep reading.

"He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent Me, I also send you. When He had said this, He breathed on them; and He said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained." John 20:21-23

31 posted on 08/28/2009 4:40:13 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Steelfish
Don't think he was 'conflicted' over his Faith; rather; it would at least, appear more a inconvenience that got in his way of his Liberal agenda.

That said; who can know; and personally; don't know why anyone cares; let the Pope deal with it in this world; as per his response to Kennedy's passing and the Church; and we know his 'Maker' will deal with Kennedy in the next.

We know; even more than his being Catholic; he supported/endorsed the 'radical' side of Leftist politics. . .and that is it's own religion .

32 posted on 08/28/2009 5:14:03 PM PDT by cricket ('Don't bow for me . . Obama ' (America'sorry' President))
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To: Steelfish

Human Life International’s Statement on the Passing of Senator Edward Kennedy

We must, as a matter of precept, pray for the salvation of heretical Catholics like Senator Edward Kennedy, but we do not have to praise him let alone extol him with the full honors of a public Catholic funeral and all the adulation that attends such an event. There was very little about Ted Kennedy’s life that deserves admiration from a spiritual or moral point of view. He was probably the worst example of a Catholic statesman that one can think of. When all is said and done, he has distorted the concept of what it means to be a Catholic in public life more than anyone else in leadership today.

Obviously we don’t know the state of Senator Edward Kennedy’s soul upon death. We don’t pretend to. We are told by the family that he had the opportunity to confess his sins before a priest, and his priest has said publicly he was “at peace” when he died. For that we are grateful. But it is one thing to confess one’s sins and for these matters to be kept, rightfully, private. It is another thing entirely for one who so consistently and publicly advocated for the destruction of unborn human beings to depart the stage without a public repudiation of these views, a public confession, as it were.

It is up to God to judge Senator Kennedy’s soul. We, as rational persons, must judge his actions, and his actions were not at all in line with one who values and carefully applies Church teaching on weighty matters. Ted Kennedy’s positions on a variety of issues have been a grave scandal for decades, and to honor this “catholic” champion of the culture of death with a Catholic funeral is unjust to those who have actually paid the price of fidelity. We now find out that President Obama will eulogize the Senator at his funeral, an indignity which, following on the heels of the Notre Dame fiasco, leaves faithful Catholics feeling sullied, desecrated and dehumanized by men who seem to look for opportunities to slap the Church in the face and do so with impunity simply because they have positions of power.

It is not enough for Kennedy to have been a “great guy behind the scenes” as we have seen him referred to even by his political opponents. It is also not praiseworthy to put a Catholic rhetorical veneer on his leftist politics that did nothing to advance true justice as the Church sees it or to advance the peace of Christ in this world. Every indication of Senator Kennedy’s career, every public appearance, every sound bite showed an acerbic, divisive and partisan political hack for whom party politics were much more infallible than Church doctrines. Whatever one’s political affiliation, if one is only “Catholic” to the extent that his faith rhymes with his party line, then his Catholicism is a fraud.

As the Scriptures remind us, there is a time for everything under the sun. This, now, is the time for honesty about our Faith and about those who are called to express it in the public forum. If we do not remind ourselves of the necessity of public confession for public sins such as Senator Kennedy was guilty of, then we are negligent in our embrace of the Faith and we are part of the problem. As Pope Benedict has reminded us recently, charity without truth can easily become mere sentimentality, and we must not fall into that error. A Catholic show of charity for the family must not eclipse the truth that is required of all with eyes to see and ears to hear.

Senator Kennedy needs to be sent to the afterlife with a private, family-only funeral and the prayers of the Church for the salvation of his immortal soul. He will not be missed by the unborn who he betrayed time and time again, nor by the rest of us who are laboring to undo the scandalous example of Catholicism that he gave to three generations of Americans.

Sincerely,

Rev. Thomas J. Euteneuer,
President, Human Life International

 


33 posted on 08/28/2009 5:20:05 PM PDT by franky8 (For the souls of the faithful departed.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

I didn’t really understand what you were posting there.


34 posted on 08/28/2009 9:16:47 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: ansel12
does it make more sense if I add the mistakely omitted letters and omit the cryptic last line? You said:
Imagine how different the political landscape would be if republicans could start counting on the majority of the Catholic vote, it would be the end of liberalism as we know it.
and my response was:
really, not. if Catholics were Catholics, that would end the nonsense. a republican apostate is still an apostate.

35 posted on 08/29/2009 6:06:52 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: the invisib1e hand

Not really, if Catholics quit voting liberal then the damage they have done over the last 100 years and more could be slowed or even rolled back a little.

Or, “Imagine how different the political landscape would be if republicans could start counting on the majority of the Catholic vote, it would be the end of liberalism as we know it.”


36 posted on 08/29/2009 8:10:45 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: ansel12

I’m hugely confused; I don’t know if we’re agreeing or arguing ;).


37 posted on 08/29/2009 10:02:24 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: the invisib1e hand
really, not. if Catholics were Catholics, that would end the nonsense. a republican apostate is still an apostate.

I don't know what that means that is why I keep asking you to translate it.

What does that have to do with Catholics being a democrat constituency?

38 posted on 08/29/2009 10:21:06 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: ansel12

It means that a genuine Catholic wouldn’t tolerate leftwing lunacy — that a nominal Catholic can vote republican and still be a useful idiot; that party affiliation means nothing, ultimately but that a sincere Catholic faith equips one to make a genuine, life and liberty affirming contribution to society.


39 posted on 08/29/2009 7:42:53 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: the invisib1e hand

I got it that time, good point and very true.


40 posted on 08/29/2009 7:47:15 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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