Posted on 09/01/2009 6:10:29 PM PDT by RobinMasters
WND has found new evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham, President Obama's mother, was in Seattle in August 1961, within days of her son's birth, contrary to the accepted narrative.
In a video that has been removed from the Internet since the 2008 presidential campaign, Susan Blake, a high school friend of Obama's mother, gave an interview in which she discussed seeing Dunham shortly after Barack Obama Jr.'s Aug. 4, 1961, birth.
The video can be seen here:
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
That is a good question. Where does the definition come from. First, read DaveTesla’s entry above - Bingham’s address to the joint session in 1866. Then use the search engine of your choice, or the following pointer, to find The Venus, 12 U.S. 253 from 1812. http://www.chanrobles.com/usa/us_supremecourt/12/253/case.php It is a fascinating case dealing with impact of the citizenship of owners of a freighter, The Venus, intercepted by U.S. frigates just after the beginning of the War of 1812. The ship was en route when the war began. Read the wonderfully clear description of classes of citizenship on pg 289 by Chief Justice John Marshall in his concurring decision. He cites Vattel as the most concise description and says just what Bingham said in 1866, and just what Gray and Waite said later. Some justices have suggested that there may be a reason to extend natural-born to include children born of citizen diplomats on assignment, but no justice has questioned the definition cited by John Marshall, or questioned that there was a better source than The Law of Nations derived from Gottlieb Leibniz’ natural low.
This is old news. We knew this months ago. WND is not breaking any new ground here.
We need NEW info. I haven’t had much time to research this summer. But when things quiet down I am going to look fr new sources of information.
Whatever. I have nothing to prove to you. But if you were to make it worth my time I would prove it to you.
BUT, regardless of my status, you have still openly dissed disabled veterans and your post shall live forever.
Can you establish she wasn’t in Seattle and that it wasn’t weeks after the birth?
Better yet, can you establish from what Mary Toutinghi and Susan Blake says, that she was?
And, would what they have to say stand up in a court of law?
interesting, do you have a source for that?
I really don’t know whether to laugh nor cry...if you ever have some time on your hands, read the arguments they are having over at WIKI:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki?title=Talk:Ann_Dunham
First of all, she was registered as Stanley Ann Dunham Obama. Secondly, her transcript form makes a distinction between "Extension" and "Correspondence" courses. The meaning of correspondence courses is pretty clear. "Extension" is less clear and has slightly different meanings from school to school. Correspondence courses are often run out of the Extension department. The Transcript indicates that she took extension courses ("x" prefix, not correspondence courses("C" suffix) . So it would seem that, (1) Extension courses are somehow different from correspondence courses. The most natural difference would be that "Extension" courses were done "in person", at odd times and/or off campus locations. Back then, few schools had "regular" evening or weekend courses, although some, especially in the freshman courses, but they often had such courses taught in their "extension" division, usually by adjuncts or other non professorial instructors.
There were, naturally, no "on line" or "DVD", or even talk back TV courses. Today, at Washington, those "distance learning" courses are still administered by the Extension department. They even still have a "non degree seeking admission", whereby the credits one earns can be counted towards a degree after regular admission, which her transcript shows Stanley Ann did for the Spring '62 term. She probably did it that way because of her horrendous grades in the one semester at U. Hawaii (GPA 1.8), although taking evening classes would also be advantageous from a Barry care perspective.
The notion of her taking evening classes until that final term, (quarter) is supported by the report of her "building manager"/babysitter, Mary Toutongi, who related that Ann was taking "night classes" in January and February of '62, which would have been the Winter term.) On the transcript, the course she took in Autumn '61 and Winter '62 all show as "extension", not "correspondence."
Based on this, and the reports of her being in Washington state as early as late August of '61, I tend to think that Chief Engineer's theory of birth in Canada is quite likely to be correct. That theory goes, she never intended to be married to BHO Sr, and he did not intend to be married to her. Whether the marriage was real, but one of expediency, or nonexistent. Maybe she found out about the other wife, but for whatever reason, she was sent to Canada, to have the baby and give him up for adoption. But then she changed her mind, as young women often do in such situations. So she showed up in Seattle, *with* Barry, rather than without him. But clearly she was trying get and stay away from BHO Sr, or perhaps her mother wanted it that way.She did not return to Hawaii, until after he left for Harvard.
Now is it possible that Barry was born in Washington state, sure. Or born in Hawaii and then transported shortly after birth to Washington state? Again, yes, but it seems unlikely just from a logistical standpoint. (She would not know in advance exactly when she'd be able to travel).
I am not involved in the detail of research some of you and the others are. However, if it doesn't make sense to me then a million others will ask the same question.
I has seen nothing on this thread that indicates that he couldn't have been born in Hawaii and a short time after she took him to Seattle.
If he was born in Seattle, as some here posit, then why lie and say Honolulu.
How about born in Canada. Stanley Ann could have driven back and forth (driven by a friend, most likely) between Canada and Seattle area, preparing for what she would do after Barry was born. I don’t think her mother or father wanted her showing in Hawaii without a husband, so it may have been a faux marriage claim to Barak sr. and nothing more done about it until she came back to Hawaii with little Barry and obtained a divorce from Barak sr for purposes of wealfare roles, etc. She certainly knew how to lie boldly, applying for and receiving a divorce claiming she had lived with Barak sr when she was in Washington State all that time. I’m betting Madelyn applied for and received the CoLB for her grandchild with little difficulty in Hawaii of that time. The marriage ploy may not have even started until 1962 or 1963 when Stanley anticipated returning to Hawaii. The first registry in Hawaii may not have occurred until ‘62 or ‘63.
he looks exactly like his maternal grandfather, ears and all.
Well, I’m getting damn tired of seeing it. Now for the 7th time.
Extension in Hawaii isn’t at issue since the Polk registry has Satnley living in Washington State during the time she took the extension classes.
Tell it to Nerks.
HAH! FN knows more about this ‘tail’ than I will ever assimilate.
Thanks, Fred Nerks. You find the most interesting stuff! [Don’t cry. Crying makes wrinkles.]
~ Check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki?title=Talk:Ann_Dunham
I followed the link and now I’m getting a headache.
Haven’t you seen the photos of him with Stanley Ann’s father? He looks exactly like him, with darker skin.
And he has her smile.
I agree with all of that.
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