Obama's missing millions

Powerline ^ | 9/9/09 | scot

[Nachum]

nly last month In Portsmouth, New Hampshire, President Obama declared: "I don't have to explain to you that nearly 46 million Americans don't have health insurance coverage today. In the wealthiest nation on Earth, 46 million of our fellow citizens have no coverage."

Tonight Obama declared that "[t]here are now more than 30 million American citizens who cannot get coverage.he number of our fellow citizens who have no coverage is 30 million."

These statements can be reconciled. "Nearly 46 million" is "more than 30 million[.]" But this is obviously not what Obama meant. It would be a mistake to reconcile the statements in this way. In any event, both numbers are bogus. It would be a mistake to take either of them seriously.

[Nachum]

The list, ping

[Aria]

Errrr.....we’re the wealthiest nation on earth???? Wouldn’t that be China - unless we default?

[Doogle]

why don’t they just say there’s over 140 million and cover all of Mexico?

[maggief]

[Natural Law]

He backed the Illegal Aliens out of the number.......

[freekitty]

Just like everything else in his life are missing.

[GnuHere]

So he overestimated by 50%, that’s nothing compared to underestimating what it will cost us.

[dalebert]

VOO DOO HEALTH CARE.......

[17th Miss Regt]

Perhaps he is implicitly admitting to at least 16,000,000 illegal aliens in the US.

And they will all be counted in the census and allowed to vote.

[festusbanjo]

He wanted try the BS line about illegals not being eligible for the plan, so when he asked Baghdad Bob how many illegals there were and was told 16 million, he finally stopped laughing and asked again” Really, how many?”.

[dalebert]

now they dems saying that 2/3rds liked what obama had to say

[org.whodat]

Trying to drop the so called 12 million illegals. Of which there is really 30 million. We would not have a heath care problem if the tax payer was not forced to pick up the tab, by Mr and Mrs democrat and republican supporters of illegals.

[Hillarys Gate Cult]

I think what happened was a van was spotted going into Mexico so the Obamroids assumed they all left.

[ProtectOurFreedom]

Paul Mirengoff of Powerline wrote an excellent essay about the uninsured on August 15 in which he cites an article by Keith Hennessey. Hennessey analyzed 20 statements made by President Obama during the town hall meeting on health care at Portsmouth, New Hampshire. You can read it at Who are the uninsured and should we pay to cover them?.

Here's a quick breakdown of the 46 million. This is the first time I've actually seen somebody attempt to figure out who these people are; like you, I am very skeptical of this bloated claim:

Number	Description
6.5 M	The "Medicaid undercount" actually are insured. They are enrolled in Medicaid or S-CHIP but didn't tell the census taker.
4.5 M	People who are eligible for Medicaid or S-CHIP but have not enrolled. If they need care, the hospital or clinic generally enrolls them. In other words, they do not (as Obama claims) go bankrupt or without treatment. In any case, it would be ridiculous to overhaul our healthcare system to provide insurance to people who are already eligible for government assistance but have failed to avail themselves of it.
9.5 M	Non-citizens. People will disagree about what portion of this group should receive government subsidized health insurance, but why should they be eligible at all? Keep in mind that being uninsured is not the same as having to pay (or pay much) for treatment. Illegal immigrants find ways to receive free or inexpensive treatment for themselves and their children. In general, I've read (though I can't find the source) that the uninsured receive about half the amount of money per capita to pay for medical treatment that the insured receive.
10.0 M	This group earns an income more than three times the poverty line. As such, they can afford to buy medical insurance. Taxpayers should not be required to buy it for them. Whatever happened to personal responsibility?
15.5 M	About one-third of Obama's 46 million actually are uninsured, cannot become insured simply by enrolling in a free program, are U.S. citizens, and cannot easily afford to purchase insurance. About 5 million members of this cohort are childless adults. It is understandable that many Americans would like to see the government do something for this group, or at least those members who are not young, childless, healthy adults with decent starter salaries who simply think it makes economic sense to assume the small risk that they will incur large medical expenses. But it is also understandable that many Americans favor targeting this group through incremental measures to assist them in purchasing insurance, rather than through a radical overhaul of our healthcare system at a massive cost.

[Freedom'sWorthIt]

EXACTLY right. Karl Rove tried to make this point to O’Reilly after the speech.

47 million HAS TO INCLUDE ILLEGAL ALIENS - about 17 million

Every time the libbers have used 47 million - they have been including illegals!

So tonight, he drops down to 30 million - dumping the Illegal Aliens under the bus.

Of course, while it makes the math more accurate to not incklude illegal aliens - as has been charged for YEARS by critics of the 47 million mumber - and therefore pretends to support the Obama LIE that illegal aliens would not get “free” healthcare under their plan....we also know that the Dems have DEFEATED amendments to prohibit the “free” healthcare from going to illegal aliens.

So, after all the math machinations, Obama still lies.

[Uncle Miltie]

Was 46 million the lie, or was 30 million the lie?

Just wondering.....

[org.whodat]

Both, there are actually about 30 million illegals from all countries, including visa over stays.

http://www.theamericanresistance.com/ref/illegal_alien_numbers.html

[org.whodat]

http://www.theamericanresistance.com/ref/illegal_alien_numbers.html

[org.whodat]

http://www.theamericanresistance.com/ref/illegal_alien_numbers.html