Posted on 09/17/2009 8:26:34 PM PDT by Jeff Head
Here we go again.
I was watching Sean Hannity tonight (9/17/2009), and have been following loosely the situation in the San Joaquin Valley of California with their water crisis over the small Delta Smelt minnow and its endangered species listing.
The Farmers have water rights to that water. There is no legal water rights for that water for a minnow over the farmers. There is only a manufactured judicial legal decision by liberal judges based on junk science and the whims of administrators and bureaucrats that create these incidents based on the Endangered Species Act and a rabid environmental policy.
This is an illegal "taking", and it is unconstitutional on its face. And it simply cannot stand.
This sounds more and more like what happened in the Klamath Basin Water Crisis to farmers of Oregon and northern California in 2001. At that time, the magical fish was the sucker fish...and every farmer in that basin knew that the sucker fish was not endagered and that they did not need a "full" lake to survive. It was junk science being used to push an anti-American environmental agenda then...plain and simple...and it is the same today.
Here is my suggestion to the Farmers and their allies in the San Joaquin Valley.
You have the numbers...many more people actively engaged in the fight than we had in Klamath. In Klamath, there were many meetings with politicians...followed by meetings with "officials" of government agencies. In the end, the result was the same...the water stayed off.
It was not until a few farmers and their allies took control of the headgates and turned the water back on that things began to happen. In that case, only a dozen farmers and their allies were at the gates the next morning when 50-70 armed law enforcement officers came and took the head gates back and again turned off the water.
If we had had 1000 farmers and their allies there that morning, they would not have been able to do so.
As it was, we did not, and so those officers, who had reconnoitered our position through the night, turned the water back off...temporarily.
But that was the spark and by the next afternoon, the farmers and their allies gathered en masse and surrounded the law enforcement officers (most of whom absolutely did not want to be there) and made their life miserable over the course of many weeks.
Ultimately, after the farmers pumped the water in small quanitities, and then siphoned it in larger quantities around the headgates, at a later rally where many hundreds were present, the farmers crossed the line again and penned the government officers in.
Soon thereafter, legal decisions began to change and the crisis was ultimately resolved and returned to the status quo and the farmers got their water.
To this day the Klamath Basin has continued getting enough water to farm.
Now the fight has moved to the much larger and larger producing San Joaquin Valley.
In the end, my advise is simple.
STOP BEING GLAD HANDED BY POLITIICANS AND OFFICIALS.
FIND A WAY TO TURN YOUR WATER ON THEN STAND VIGIL BY THE THOUSANDS AND KEEP IT ON.
Your livelihood, your way of life...YOUR LIBERTY is worth the effort and the risk. And make no mistake, that is exactly what is at stake here.
And make no mistake the rest of America...YOUR livelihood, your way of life, and your liberty by extension is also at stake. For if they can do this to your neighbors there in California and get away with it...they can do it to you.
Once those lines are drawn, and you engage in civil disobedience in this fashion, people will flock to you by the tens of thousands and the administration will be forced to turn things around and magically find, as the Bush administration did before them, the "new science" to support a reversal of their current policy.
God bless you farmers there. God bless all who support you.
In the end, it is your decision. This advise is simply given from one who witnessed the same type of governmental infringement, the same unconstitutional and illegal takings, the same judicial and environmental tyranny that you are experiencing now...and stood with those who did something about it.
Won’t happen. the Sacramento Bee is almost as Left sided as the SF Chronicle . Sac won’t cover any of it unless some is killed in the process of turning the water on.
Legislative hearings on state’s water crisis begin
Published online on Monday, Aug. 17, 2009
By E.J. Schultz / Bee Capitol Bureau http://www.fresnobee.com/local/story/1602595.html
“...The starting point is a five-bill package by Democrats that focuses on the delta. The key bills would form the Delta Stewardship Council, a seven-member committee appointed by the governor and Legislature. The council would be charged with adopting a plan by 2011 to restore the delta, while assuring more reliable water supplies...”
THEY EXPECT TO ADOPT A PLAN BY 2011!!! Beyond words.
There was a thread just a few months ago about the water commission here in CO preventing private land owners from capturing water from their roofs. According to water law the water belongs to the water conservation district downstream.
Amen to that brother!
I watched this. The Governor should have said the Guard will be activated to turn on the water. Obama and the whackos be damned. It’s time.
Good info here. I’m adding them to my list. I’ll post the list on our threads as pages are added.
http://www.centralvalleyteaparty.com/index.php?c=114
I’ve started a bit of a Who’s Who list as well.
Jose Ramirez, Firebaugh, California, city manager
Sen. Dave Cogdill, R-Modesto, a lead water negotiator
Phil Isenberg, chairman of the Delta Vision Task Force, created by the governor in 2006
Jim Metropulos, a lobbyist for the Sierra Club.
Lester Snow, director of the state Department of Water Resources
Barbara Barrigan-Parrilla, campaign director for Restore the Delta
Assembly Member Jared Huffman, D-San Rafael, a lead water negotiator
The Klamath farmers need to drive to the valley and give some inservice training....they’ve been through it and then some.
The Klamath folks can tell it like it is.
Nobody in the govt. wants video of farmers being arrested and beaten over water.
Get the water flowing and the rest follows.
Sounds like the movie (based on the book?) The Milagro Beanfield.
That was a good movie.
Hmmmm screen name coincidence?
I watched Hannity Thursday night and have been following this story for many months.
Why can’t Arnold envoke the 10th Amendment and order the water to be turned on to support the reported 38 million people affected?
It would be interesting to see how that bogus EPA bunch responds, as well as Obama’s reaction.
It’s time for We The People to stand up for our rights against Big Brother’s incursions!
Good grief...
August 27, 2009
Manufactured Water Crisis
http://heliogenic.blogspot.com/2009/08/manufactured-water-crisis.html
I’m serious. It is long established water rights law. It was a very heated thread, as you might imagine, but the long and the short of it is that it is the law. I don’t agree with it but not for the legal reasoning involved. That is pretty sound. What falls short for me is the idea that all of the water that hits the ground will end up in the drainage or water table. Someone introduced some scientific studies that backed me on that point.
In Klamath Basin, the water was controlled by turning one wheel at the dam head. Patriots went out there in the middle of the night, broke in, and turned it on themselves to let the water flow.
The San Joaquin water is entirely managed by the Banks Pumping Plant near Livermore CA that flows billions of gallons of water through it's pumps.
The Federal courts have turned off the water to Central California's agricultural region with one switch that you can't get to as easily as the single lonely unprotected water spigot at Klamath Reservoir.
I understand the legality behind water rights. If enough people were to strip the rain from the ground, then it would affect people downstream. I do agree with you though, that the promise this water is all going to wind up downstream or in the water table is iffy at best.
I’ll give you an example. Here probably billions or even trillions of gallons of water can enter the L.A. river system during a rainy season. That’s kind of misleading, because what we’re actually talking about is a system of concrete troughs designed to collect the water and shunt it off in a non-destructive manor.
The L.A. river channels can flow near maximum at times, almost dry at others. When it flows hard, the vast majority of the water winds up in the Pacific Ocean. As it flows into the ocean, it actually fouls the water, a lot of vile garbage being washed out along the way to the ocean.
What do you think, 0.2% of the land in Colorado having property on it by volume? I’m sure the humans could in any measurable way stop the water from going down stream.
You’ve got some bureaucrats throwing their weight around IMO.
Here's a link to a large data-base of info about Aquafornia - The California Water News Blog that gives a state-wide view.
Fantastic advice. I hope everyone listens.
I'll never forget how people like him and Phil V. and Jeff Head and even our own AuntB were up there for the "Klamath Falls Tea Party" at the turn of the century. They really made it hard for these un-elected bureaucrats and even the elected local sheriff to keep those gates closed.
Phil V. and Issaquahking (who was there 24/7) erected a complete by-pass around the gates when the feds seemed to temporarily get the upper hand. It was a beutiful thing to participate in!!!
I get so weary of the GANG-GREEN that has infested our multi-level governments and our society in general!!!
I was no Joe Mondragon (nor was meant to be), but I could sure identify with the citizens of Milagro!
The other factor, which the study took into account, was evaporation. (I believe dissipation into the soil that doesn't make it to the water table was another factor.) Having seen three and four foot of heavy wet snow evaporate in less than 48 hours here in CO that was my first thought about where most of the water goes.
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