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JRR Tolkien trained as British spy
Telegraph ^ | September 16, 2009

Posted on 09/19/2009 2:10:47 PM PDT by NYer

Tolkien, one of his generation's most respected linguists, was ''earmarked'' to crack Nazi codes in the event that Germany declared war.

Intelligence chiefs singled him and a 'cadre' of other intellectuals to work at Bletchley Park, the codebreaking centre in Buckinghamshire.

Its staff - which included Alan Turing, the gay codebreaker - would later decipher the 'impenetrable' Enigma machines.

This saved Britain from German conquest by allowing the Navy to intercept and destroy Hitler's U-Boats.

According to previously unseen records, Tolkien trained with the top-secret Government Code and Cypher School (GCCS).

He spent three days at their London HQ in March 1939 - six months before the outbreak of the Second World War and just 18 months after the publication of his first book, The Hobbit.

But although he was ''keen'', Tolkien - a professor of English literature at Oxford University - declined a £500-a-year offer to become a full-time recruit.

The reasons behind his decision are not known.

But he went on to write the Lord of the Rings trilogy, one of the most popular and influential works in 20th-Century literature.

Tolkien's involvement with the war effort was revealed for the first time this week in a new exhibition at GCHQ, the new name for GCCS, the Government's spy base in Cheltenham, Glos.

The display includes a number of previously unseen exhibits relating to Bletchley Park's war preparations.

A GCHQ historian, who would not give his name for security reasons, said: ''JRR Tolkien is known the world over for his novels, but his involvement with the war effort may take a few people by surprise.

''While he didn't sign up as was probably intended, he did complete three days' training and was 'keen' to do more.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: espionage; jrrtolkien; tokien; tolkien; uk; wwii
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1 posted on 09/19/2009 2:10:47 PM PDT by NYer
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Tolkien: Intelligence chiefs singled him and a 'cadre' of other intellectuals to work at Bletchley Park, the codebreaking centre in Buckinghamshire.
2 posted on 09/19/2009 2:11:25 PM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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Yes, the Nazis were big on Old Norse. Don’t code-crackers have to be good at math?


3 posted on 09/19/2009 2:12:19 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Who is Kenneth Gladney? (Don't forget to bring your cameras))
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To: Old Sarge

PING!


4 posted on 09/19/2009 2:12:42 PM PDT by MS.BEHAVIN (Women who behave rarely make history)
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To: NYer

I read that one of the recruiting methods used was to find people who could solve one of those difficult English cryptic puzzles and interview them for work at Bletchley.


5 posted on 09/19/2009 2:13:16 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: NYer
Alan Turing, the gay codebreaker

His sexuality had to do what with his work? The newsrag couldn't help itself to add this.

6 posted on 09/19/2009 2:13:17 PM PDT by SolidWood (Sarah Palin: "Only dead fish go with the flow!")
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To: SolidWood
"Alan Turing, the gay codebreaker"

His sexuality had to do what with his work? The newsrag couldn't help itself to add this.

Ironic that he turned out to be a cunning linguist...

7 posted on 09/19/2009 2:15:57 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Integrity is the lifeblood of democracy. Deceit is a poison in it." - Ted Kennedy (D-HELL)
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As an academic, Tolkien was primarily a linguist, with a good working knowledge of Old English, Old High German, Old Norse, and the rest of it. In those days, there was also considerable interest in the relations among the various Indo-European languages and the ways that they changed over time. So it was a kind of science.

I imagine Tolkien turned it down because he thought he was not needed and that he had better things to do, such as endlessly working on the Silmarilion and its various component stories.


8 posted on 09/19/2009 2:23:52 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NYer
If you have not read The Book of Lost Tales and The Silmarillion you really haven't read Tolkien.

The man was a genius.

9 posted on 09/19/2009 2:24:52 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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Nah, by that time Gollum had escaped and they went with him instead to find a way through the swamps.

Besides, Tolkein had been to Bree too many times and was known at the Prancing Pony. He used to summer in Frogmorton.
There was a concern in early ‘36 that Saruman had infiltrated into the shire and also had paid informants among the Bucklanders. (This proved false after the fall of the third Reich, although several extended members of the Cotton family that worked at the Green Dragon with Rosie ended up disappearing behind the Iron Curtain in the post war era.)

10 posted on 09/19/2009 2:28:39 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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which included Alan Turing, the gay codebreaker

And?

11 posted on 09/19/2009 2:38:22 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Dont Tread on Me)
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To: cardinal4

I believe Turing was eventual expelled from intelliegence work because of his blackmailability.


12 posted on 09/19/2009 2:48:19 PM PDT by AceMineral (Offically unapproved of since 1973)
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To: Mamzelle
Don’t code-crackers have to be good at math?
Cryptanalysis, prior to the 30's, was largely linguistic. Through WWII, there was still a significant linguistic component.
13 posted on 09/19/2009 3:04:32 PM PDT by jdege
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JRR Tolkien was also a veteran of WWI and saw action in France.


14 posted on 09/19/2009 3:35:42 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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As I recall what really helped the Brits break the Enigma code is that the Polish intelligence stole an Enigma machine from the Germans and gave it to the Brits. The Brits then reverse engineered it. Supposedly the British commanders then received German orders before the German commanders did.


15 posted on 09/19/2009 3:47:42 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine
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To: jdege; Mamzelle
Cryptanalysis, prior to the 30's, was largely linguistic. Through WWII, there was still a significant linguistic component.

Turing was a mathematician and computer scientist. He headed the code-breaking team at Bentchley Park in WWII. He used mathematical analysis to break the German codes. Tolkien was wise to refuse the job. He was not a mathematician, and had a somewhat negative opinion of science in general. At any rate Tolkien would have been totally useless in building a machine of electric circuits to break the German codes.

16 posted on 09/19/2009 4:04:56 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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“As I recall what really helped the Brits break the Enigma code is that the Polish intelligence stole an Enigma machine from the Germans and gave it to the Brits. The Brits then reverse engineered it. Supposedly the British commanders then received German orders before the German commanders did.”

From what I have read the Pole in question was some sort of engineer who assembled Enigma machines for the Germans. He managed to get himself over to the Brits and pretty much assembled a working design from memory. The Brits needed a working Enigma device to confirm the info and got it in 1940 when one of Rommels signal units got ahead of the advance and the Brits snagged them. It supposedly was the basis for the 1942 propaganda movie “The Foreman Went To France”. From that point on the decodes in some cases were ahead of the info reaching the German operational units.

17 posted on 09/19/2009 5:42:09 PM PDT by Polynikes (Viene una tormenta)
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The wartime Brits were quite resourceful and amazing. One of their operatives was Aleister Crowley the occultist. He was in contact with German occult groups such as the Thule Society and assorted German astrologers through his Golden Dawn Society, during the war. The strange flight of Rudolph Hess (a member of the Thule Society) to England was supposedly provoked by disinformation fed to German astrologers by Crowley. That explained Hitlers rage and consequent arrest of every astrologer in Germany after Hess flew to England. Crowleys handler in British intelligence, Ian Fleming the future author of James Bond.
18 posted on 09/19/2009 6:07:31 PM PDT by Polynikes (Viene una tormenta)
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Tolkien was one of the greatest experts in the origin of germanic, norse, and anglo-saxon words. However, Tolkien lacked the patience for the rote work of codebreaking. By the mid 30's Tolkien was consumed by the travails of Middle Earth, saw it as his life's work.

Likely, he cared little for war having lost all of his close friends in WW1.

19 posted on 09/19/2009 6:30:46 PM PDT by gandalftb (An appeaser feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last......)
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To: stripes1776
At any rate Tolkien would have been totally useless in building a machine of electric circuits to break the German codes.

The Axis used a great many codes and ciphers, besides the Enigma and Lorenz. Admittedly, Tolkien's background would have been little help with those two, but he could have been a great deal of help with the others.

20 posted on 09/19/2009 7:25:25 PM PDT by jdege
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