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Posted on 09/21/2009 12:09:41 PM PDT by Nikas777
Taliban targets descendants of Alexander the Great
For centuries, the blond-haired, blue-eyed people of the Kalash tribes of North West Pakistan have lived a libertine lifestyle.
By Dean Nelson in New Delhi and Emal Khan in Peshawar
Published: 6:48PM BST 21 Sep 2009
Children of the Kalash tribe in Northern Pakistan Photo: EPA
The group, believed to be descendants of Alexander the Great's invading army, were shielded from conservative Islam by the steep slopes of their remote valleys.
While Sikhs, Hindus, and Christians were slowly driven out of Pakistan's North West Frontier Province by Muslim militants, the Kalash were free to drink their own distilled spirits and smoke cannabis.
But the militant maulanas of the Taliban have finally caught up with them and declared war on their culture and heritage by kidnapping their most devoted supporter.
Taliban commanders have taken Professor Athanasion Larounis, a Greek aid worker who has generated £2.5 million in donations to build schools, clinics, clean water projects and a museum.
They are now demanding £1.25 million and the release of three militant leaders in exchange for his safe return.
According to local police, it was Professor Larounis's dedication to preserving Kalasha culture that Taliban commanders in Nuristan, on the Afghan side of the border that made him a target.
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Greece needs to evacuate these people like the Jews did for their Ethiopians brothers.
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And remember, to liberals, the west is the bad culture. All other cultures are equal or better to include the taliban and islam.
Nope. They were built by the Kushan Empire in 500 to 550 AD, most of a thousand years after the Greco-Bactrian Empire disappeared.
While its neat to think these people are descended from Greeks, and it is possible, over the centuries there have been many Aryan tribes in this area. When a tribe was defeated, it always fled into the mountains, if it could. Throughout the mountains of Asia there are valleys with remnants of otherwise disappeared ethnic groups and cultures.
0bama will be retained as their attorney. Move along nothing to see here.
Even if there is a tiny bit of genetic similarity, which is doubtful, did you read anything about these peoples’ customs and religion? It’s completely incompatible with modern Greek society and is more fitting in Vedic India.
The earliest documented ruler, and the first one to proclaim himself as a Kushan ruler was Heraios. He calls himself a “Tyrant” on his coins, and also exhibits skull deformation. He may have been an ally of the Greeks, and he shared the same style of coinage. Heraios may have been the father of the first Kushan emperor Kujula Kadphises.
The Kushans adopted elements of the Hellenistic culture of Bactria. They adopted the Greek alphabet (often corrupted) to suit their own language (with the additional development of the letter Þ “sh”, as in “Kushan”) and soon began minting coinage on the Greek model. On their coins they used Greek language legends combined with Pali legends (in the Kharoshthi script), until the first few years of the reign of Kanishka. After that date, they used Kushan language legends (in an adapted Greek script), combined with legends in Greek (Greek script) and legends in Pali (Kharoshthi script).....they absorbed the strong remnants of the Greek Culture of the Hellenistic Kingdoms, becoming at least partly Hellenised.
PS: “Kushan” = “Kalash” ? (The group that retained the old Vedic polytheist religion while the rest of the tribe when Buddhist?
When the Hellenistic kingdoms were swept away these must have been the remnants. Not Greeks per DNA but per culture.
Ship them better weapons instead.
I just want to save these people and India is the best choice.
There are only 3,000 of them left.
Hey it is the culture of the Islamists in Afghanistan to wipe out other cultures, have some compassion for them
Then send them really good weapons.
Unlikely. The Kushans were invaders from Central Asia, not Aryan Hindus or Vedists. Genetically they were a lot closer to the Huns or Mongols. They probably had a similar rudimentary shamanistic religion prior to adopting Buddhism. The Mongols themselves later mostly became Buddhists, except in the west where they went Muslim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kushan_Empire Chinese sources describe the Guishuang (Ch: 貴霜), i.e. the "Kushans", as one of the five aristocratic tribes of the Yuezhi, also spelled Yueh-chi, (Ch: 月氏), a loose confederation of supposedly Indo-European peoples.
The Kushans for example minted their coins in Greek and used Greek as the language of court for record purposes at least.
When Alexander reached Afghanistan, he met Greek exiles who had fled Greece with the Persians in 479 BCE. Since they were considered traitors, they were exterminated.
I see there are several opinions about the Kushan “racial” background. The consensus seems to be that they were Indo-European. With the exception of the Huns it seems the “Mongol” type peoples didn’t move westward till somewhat later.
Better if the Greeks would have their top special forces soldiers come up with a plan and make the Taliban pay dearly for this action. Make it so expensive and so painful that the terrorist thugs will never again target someone of Greek ancestry. The Taliban will go for a safer target, like Americans, since obama is a sissy and a pushover who wants the Taliban to win, and these people will be safe.
Interestingly the Kalash live right next to Nuristan. This area was known as Kafiristan till the 1890s. It was the last major area of Afghanistan inhabited by “pagans.” It’s the area where Kipling set “The Man Who Would Be King.”
During the 1890s it was subjected to good old-fashioned jihadi forced coversion and is now 100% Muslim.
Just like Jews who became Hellenized were called "Greeks" by non Hellenized Jews during the aftermath of Alexander's empire.
That is what I mean by the last remnants of the old world are gone now.
The possibility remains that Greek missionaries may have spread Buddhism to China. The First Chinese explorer reached Bactria just after the Greek Kingdom fell. The road to the East was open.
Reminds me of the Kippling story — THE MAN WHO WOULD BE KING.
Imperialist racist pig fornicators these Taliban be.
can you say ethnic cleansing??
NO! of course not...muslims dont ethnic cleanse, they purify islam..there is a difference.
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Actually, one of the sources (written centuries after Alexander, and its author Curtius was a gossip monger) contained the probably made-up story about the descendants of Anatolian Greeks exiled by the Persians to Central Asia. Their old home was Didyma, For no reason whatsoever, Alexander is said to have massacred all them the day after they found this out-of-place Greek city. There’s not any such ruin known in Central Asia, the reliable sources don’t mention this “event” at all, and there’s not even any evidence that the Persians exiled anyone from Didyma after they smashed and burned everything.
Some in the academic community have speculated that the Kalash might be from ancient Middle Eastern populations, an indigenous population from South Asia, or members of Alexander the Great's army. Though often overstated, instances of blond hair or light eyes are not uncommon. In a 2005 study of ASPM gene variants, Mekel-Bobrov et al. found that the Kalash people of Pakistan have among the highest rate of the newly-evolved ASPM haplogroup D, at 60% occurrence of the approximately 6,000-year-old allele. The Kalash also have been shown to exhibit the exceedingly rare 19 allele value at autosomal marker D9S1120 at a frequency higher than the majority of other world populations which do have it... Another study with Qasim Ayub, and S. Qasim Mehdi, and led by Quintana-Murci claims that "the western Eurasian presence in the Kalash population reaches a frequency of 100%, the most prevalent [mtDNA] haplogroup being U4, (pre-HV)1, U2e, and J2," and that they show "no detectable East or South Asian lineages... a western Eurasian origin for this population is likely, in view of their maternal lineages, which can ultimately be traced back to the Middle East". The estimates by Qamar et al. of Greek admixture has been dismissed by Toomas Kivisild et al. (2003)... A genetic study published in the American Journal of Human Genetics by Sengupta et al. (2006), found the Kalash to comprise high frequencies of Haplogroup L3 (25%), R1a (20%), H1* (20%), Haplogroup G2a (20%), R* (5%), J2a and J2b2 at (5%) each. Haplogroup L originates from prehistoric South Asia. A study by Rosenberg et al. (2006) employing genetic testing among the Kalash population concluded that they are, in fact, a distinct (and perhaps aboriginal) population with only minor contributions from outside peoples. In one cluster analysis with (K = 7), the Kalash formed one cluster, the others being Africans, Europeans/Middle Easterners/South Asians, East Asians, Melanesians, and Native Americans.
Did Alexander perhaps exterminate the men, but leave the women alive to make his troops happy, thus maintaining the blood lines?
Even the Successors like Antigonos One Eyed would send troublesome elements like the too independent Silver Shields Phalanx unit there too get killed off. Afghanistan was a convenient dumping ground for the unwanted.
Alexander left colonies in Afghanistan. Greeks culture persisted there for centuries.
The story is just made up, it didn’t happen at all.
I have always assumed that these people were called descendants of Alexander's army because they were locals who had become Hellenized. When Bactria was overrun by non Hellenized outsiders they would naturally have seen these natives as "Greeks" in the cultural sense of the word.
Kushans were a tribe of central asian nomads that over threw the Bactrian Greeks but in turn were Hellenized themselves. Kushan = Kalash?
Or maybe when the new order came in the Kalash were associated with the old order - the Greeks.
Sort of like if the invading Germanics identifying the Britons as "Romans".
It is clear they are what I call a remnant people.
Do you need binoculars? they look white? and the article said “most have blue eyes and blonde hair” lol in order to use the word MOST it has to be factual and it’s not, most actually have dark brown features, My case study partners did live interviews and filming of these people and look nothing like your biased pictures, seriously the article is all opinions and author has no background in the field and presenting info like he is a expert. I studied Asian anthropology and these people have no foreign DNA and are not outsiders, their not even Caucasian, their Mongloid, ALL south Asian mountain people were historically considered Mongloid. Latinos are also Mongloid, that’s why these people resemble them. Exposure to sun and malnourishment brings out lighter hair that is not genetics, living in high mountain ranges lowers your RBCs and gives you a rosy glow, also not genetics, and there are only two or three blue eyed ones that have been circling the internet for YEARS. ALso there are blogs that showed some pictures of being service men and women or tourist dressed in their clothing and same pictures have multiple versions on the internet with different eye color but some person. Same amount of rare individuals can be found ANYWHERE, there are no GREEKS and never were, Nuristans were killed during numerous war scenes in that region, and outside afghans flooded the region to control land and majority of nuristan are not natives