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'He will destroy the Democratic party'
nationalreview.com ^ | Sept. 22, 2009 | Rich Lowry

Posted on 09/22/2009 4:21:05 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

This Washington Post story captures the stark divide over Afghanistan, with a unified military command on the one side — including McChrystal, Mullen, and Petraeus — and a president who is not sure he wants to follow through on "the counterinsurgency strategy he set in motion six months ago" on the other.

There's this anonymous quote from one observer: "He can send more troops and it will be a disaster and he will destroy the Democratic party.

Or he can send no more troops and it will be a disaster and the Republicans will say he lost the war."

Isn't this extraordinary? Obama will roil the Democratic party by sending more troops to fight the war that Democrats have said for years is the "necessary war" (in Obama's words), the central war in the fight against terror, etc., etc.

It's hard to imagine a starker demonstration of bad faith on an important issue of national security.

(Excerpt) Read more at corner.nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; bho44; bhodod; bigproblem; decisiontime; democrat; democratic; democraticparty; democrats; destroy; lowry; mcchrystal; mullen; nationalsecurityfail; obama; oef; oefsurge; party; petraeus; quiteadilemma
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1 posted on 09/22/2009 4:21:05 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Nachum

Ping


2 posted on 09/22/2009 4:22:30 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (A mob of one.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"He can send more troops and it will be a disaster and he will destroy the Democratic party. Or he can send no more troops and it will be a disaster and the Republicans will say he lost the war."

All right, it's established what's bad for the Democratic Party. Now how about considering what's best for the country?

3 posted on 09/22/2009 4:23:26 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Free ThinkerNY

How does one kill the undead?


4 posted on 09/22/2009 4:24:22 PM PDT by tired1 (When the Devil eats you there's only one way out.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

poor troops. Prayers up for them and their families.


5 posted on 09/22/2009 4:24:55 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Obama’s mission is well on it’s way. It ain’t about Democrats and weak assed Republicans.


6 posted on 09/22/2009 4:25:18 PM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It’s only a matter of time before the Jean Garafalo types begin saying that McChrystal intentionally lost the war in order to make Obama look bad because some people can’t deal with a black man in the White House.


7 posted on 09/22/2009 4:25:25 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: tired1
How does one kill the undead?

Cutting off the head, or destroying the brain...

8 posted on 09/22/2009 4:25:41 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Marking Time On The Government's Dime)
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To: Old Sarge

Doesn’t matter, they will still be able to vote.......


9 posted on 09/22/2009 4:26:39 PM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Clearly McChrystal, Mullen, and Petraeus are racist!


10 posted on 09/22/2009 4:27:34 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The only thing that needs considered is neither Democrat or Republican, it is the very real liklihood that the Talinam and Al Qaeda will take Afghanistan back over and quite possibly, a nuclear Pakistan as well.

Do we really want nukes in the hands of Al Qaeda and the Taliban?


11 posted on 09/22/2009 4:27:57 PM PDT by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Decisions, decisions..do what is best for the country or do what is best for the Rat party. Hmmmm. Zippy has to think on that for a bit...he'll get back to you.
12 posted on 09/22/2009 4:28:35 PM PDT by JPG (Obama...a 24/7 nightmare.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

No, he’ll give up the public option for further regulation of health later and pull the troops for the DNC.

Pulling the troops is a global embarrassment to America and would be a bigger victory for the left knowing they have opened the door to more health care regulations.


13 posted on 09/22/2009 4:29:13 PM PDT by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

As Obama should have learned from Marx at Columbia and Harvard: "History repeats itself, the second time around as farce."

There are useful idiots.
There are smug Harvard liberals.
And then there are really useful idiots who are also smug liberals from Harvard.

14 posted on 09/22/2009 4:29:15 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Rock Obama Hard place


15 posted on 09/22/2009 4:30:30 PM PDT by comps4spice (The Democrat party is a criminal enterprise--ACORN is just one of their front groups.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Obama is the Democrat Party. He and everything he stands for is the same crap the Democrat Party has been aiming for. Now they can deal with it. The big problem is it will hurt our country.
16 posted on 09/22/2009 4:31:41 PM PDT by kempo
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To: Billthedrill
Now how about considering what's best for the country?

you weren't serious were you -- Obama makes only one type decisions, what is best for Obama.

17 posted on 09/22/2009 4:34:08 PM PDT by Tarpon (The Obama's plan -- Slavery by debt so large it can never be repaid...)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Every Democratic politician since Lyndon Baines Johnson has had this fear.

It was like a hurricane hitting New Orleans. They kind of hoped it wouldn’t happen. but it is funny how fate works. Any fool in our political system might think they could be a great President. Just like any Junior High football star thinks he could play in the NFL. Try catching a punt on a Sunday afternoon a bunch of 300 pound monsters bearing down on you quick. Or being a quarterback trying to read the Pittsburgh defense. It takes a special kind of a person. Not everyone can do. and many very GOOD football players never make. It is like that with being President. you have to have courage and conviction.

It is pretty clear. Barack Obama was never ready to be President.


18 posted on 09/22/2009 4:34:36 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative (h)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

We can wish.
But more likely, he’ll destroy the prosperity in this country for decades to come and embed Democrat operatives throughout the Federal Government.


19 posted on 09/22/2009 4:35:04 PM PDT by Little Ray (Obama is a kamikaze president aimed at the heart of this Republic.)
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To: Billthedrill
Now how about considering what's best for the country?

Say Whaa? What's that? "It's all Politics." . (One of my favorite lines.) . Anyway, the agenda is to destroy America and Capitalism and Sovereignty and the Economy and the Military as quickly as possible. The New World Order, don'tcha know. Also, Obama's going to be the head of the UN and then the world. The US? Say whaa? He's looking at Life after America. Remember the book he was carrying around during the election. . .

20 posted on 09/22/2009 4:35:30 PM PDT by Art in Idaho
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To: tired1

How does one kill the undead?

Especially these;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWpU8sX10_4


21 posted on 09/22/2009 4:35:52 PM PDT by jessduntno (Tell Obama to STFU - Stop The Federal Usurpation.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Will you be a man of your word. Or will "You Lie"?

22 posted on 09/22/2009 4:38:45 PM PDT by McGruff (Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency - Obama)
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To: jessduntno

Yet they undeed somehow vote Democrat. Make sure you chop of their hands.


23 posted on 09/22/2009 4:39:04 PM PDT by max americana (i)
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To: kempo

This is going to be like Vietnam. I pray for our troops. Nobody wants to die because of a dumb ass politician and his stupid policy. If they are not going to be supported with the resources that have been been requested by the generals, then those same generals should put the troops first and not send these under staffed and under supplied troops into harms way. I was in Vietnam during the draw down in 1972. Nobody wanted to be the last one to die there. Field operations came to a stand still where I was.


24 posted on 09/22/2009 4:39:52 PM PDT by Roklok
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The standard response for Obama under these circumstances will be to vote present! He’ll mence around and send a few thousand troops and blame the military.
25 posted on 09/22/2009 4:42:06 PM PDT by Recon Dad
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To: GOP Poet

I would like to win the war. Not just because losing would make the USA even weaker but for the sake of the Afghans that have done the right thing and the little girls in the schools learning to read.


26 posted on 09/22/2009 4:43:01 PM PDT by omega4179 (We must be the change.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

btt


27 posted on 09/22/2009 4:43:15 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Tarpon

Its tough being a leader when you lack any moral compass. Every choice made is for expediency. He created this stew himself. Good luck Zero.


28 posted on 09/22/2009 4:45:46 PM PDT by bytesmith
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Obama campaigned with vague promises, platitudes, and cryptic phrases. The people read what they wanted to read into what he was saying. Now that ACTIONS define him, almost nobody likes what he is doing.

Liberalism always sounds good when put into words-when put into action, we have a history to observe, it always fails.

29 posted on 09/22/2009 4:45:50 PM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: GOP Poet

BRAVEHEART !!!


30 posted on 09/22/2009 4:46:30 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Roklok

Hooah, Brother!


31 posted on 09/22/2009 4:47:22 PM PDT by mazda77 (Rubio for US Senate)
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To: bytesmith

Odumbo and the word character will never be associated.

I truly believe Odumbo thinks he is speaking to shoeless Kenyans who haven’t neither functioning brains, education nor memory.

And he expects the fringe media to cover for him.


32 posted on 09/22/2009 4:48:45 PM PDT by Tarpon (The Obama's plan -- Slavery by debt so large it can never be repaid...)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It’s really hard not to think that there isn’t a greater power at play here really working hard to make the Dems paint themselves into a corner at every turn! Evil can be defeated and will be.


33 posted on 09/22/2009 4:49:21 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Article excerpt - “Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton yesterday said Obama is getting “the exact opposite” advice from McChrystal than from other counterinsurgency experts.”

..... Just lovely. Obama himself just recently appointed McChrystal to implement a new Afghan strategy on the grounds that the existing plan was somehow wanting. Now, a mere few months later, it is being not so very delicately implied that McChrystal is some sort of military clown who doesn’t just get it.

There is definitely a clown involved in this political circus, but it is NOT McChrystal. The current occupant of the White House strikes me as nothing less than an amalgam of the worst possible features of Gore, Carter, and Kerry: clueless, irrational, and insufferably arrogant.


34 posted on 09/22/2009 4:50:29 PM PDT by Senator John Blutarski (The progress of government: republic, democracy, technocracy, bureaucracy, plutocracy, kleptocracy,)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“He can send more troops and it will be a disaster and he will destroy the Democratic party. Or he can send no more troops and it will be a disaster and the Republicans will say he lost the war.”

Perhaps he should follow the advice of ACORN and Code Pink. They seem like such nice and enlightened people. They both have always been held in such high esteem by the Democratic party, especially when they were making life difficult for George W. Bush and the Republicans.


35 posted on 09/22/2009 4:51:29 PM PDT by Saltmeat
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Oh, a person could argue that destroying—parties and the country and the economy and our military and our history—is just the beginning.


36 posted on 09/22/2009 4:51:31 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Peter Principle.


37 posted on 09/22/2009 4:52:55 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: DakotaRed
Do we really want nukes in the hands of Al Qaeda and the Taliban?

0bama does. And he wants our military to convert to Islam and join 'em.
38 posted on 09/22/2009 4:55:00 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Kartographer

>>> Clearly McChrystal, Mullen, and Petraeus are racist! <<<<

If we had a Muslim jirga (tribal assembly of elders) running the Pentagon, we wouldn’t be having these problems.

/sarc


39 posted on 09/22/2009 4:55:44 PM PDT by angkor (The U.S. Congress is at war with America.)
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To: Brilliant

It’s only a matter of time before the Jean Garafalo types..

Okay, don’t get me going about that nasty lib! I’ve already determined to not watch 24 this season because of that witch!


40 posted on 09/22/2009 4:57:04 PM PDT by rj45mis
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Obama WILL SEND TROOPS in the end, but he will reduce the number of troops.

The Dems can’t save him if he pisses of the Independent voters.

He cannot “Campaign” his way out of this one, a DECISION IS REQUIRED.

If he Says NO.....his YOU LIE label sticks like Superglue.


41 posted on 09/22/2009 4:57:43 PM PDT by 4Speed
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
" There are useful idiots.
There are smug Harvard liberals.
And then there are really useful idiots who are also smug liberals from Harvard."
And then you have the really really useful idiots.
Who are smug liberals from Harvard.
Who have no purpose in life than just being really really useful idiots who are super smug liberals from Harvard.
42 posted on 09/22/2009 4:58:17 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Roklok

I was in Vietnam during the draw down in 1972.

God bless you fellow Nam’er. I left in 71. Ankhe, Duc Pho, Quang Tri and Chu Lai. It was pure politics that claimed 58,000 lives and our troops in Afghanistan don’t need a repeat of that farce.


43 posted on 09/22/2009 5:05:31 PM PDT by rj45mis
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Looks like from where Zero is standing it’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. That much pleases me but I worry about the troops and the country. We all will ultimately pay the price regardless.


44 posted on 09/22/2009 5:06:24 PM PDT by An American In Dairyland (Green is the new RED)
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To: Free ThinkerNY; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

45 posted on 09/22/2009 5:07:55 PM PDT by narses
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To: Free ThinkerNY

We can only hope that he does just that.


46 posted on 09/22/2009 5:09:11 PM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the Dogs.)
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To: Repeal The 17th
0bama MIGHT have made corporal but he wouldn't have been able to perform at that level of responsibility.

He wouldn't have made it out of Marine boot camp.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

47 posted on 09/22/2009 5:16:47 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Obama finally gets a real job and he’s learning how to do it. Unfortunately for all of us, his first real job is the presidency.


48 posted on 09/22/2009 5:18:41 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Buck Ofama!!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I don't know if this was posted here, as it's about 4 months old, but the story of an Afghan warlord/drug baron turned governor working with the US to build irrigation and replace opium with wheat was quite inspiring to me. He'll be the first against the wall when the counter insurgency comes, unless he has a lot of firepower. The Bulldozer
49 posted on 09/22/2009 5:20:08 PM PDT by B.Lyle
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To: Senator John Blutarski
Obama is getting "the exact opposite" advice from McChrystal than from other counterinsurgency experts.

These are the usual suspects. The State Department Pro-Arab Marxists who have been working against American interests for 60 years. They want to see America defeated and humiliated and will work tirelessly with the Democrat Party and the New York Times to make it so.

50 posted on 09/22/2009 5:23:22 PM PDT by centurion316
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