Posted on 09/25/2009 9:29:35 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion
Can anyone Enhance and Enlarge the Pictures so we can see somthing?
ML/NJ
“The coins come in different sizes and are made of different materials, including ivory, precious stones, copper, silver, gold, etc.”
You can’t stamp or press images on precious stones, can you? Maybe ivory if it was softened in an acid bath.
I do understand how precious stones can be coins.
No, they would be carved.
If the stones have been painted or the cuts are fresh in any way - fakes.
re: bore the name of Egypt, a date, and a value
A date? That’s interesting. I wonder how they dated something in those days. I hope it didn’t say something like 1,200 BC.
Seriously, how were dates described that long ago?
In the Septuagint translation, Joseph’s Egyptian name is rendered Psonthomphanech (with the “e” being an eta rather than an epsilon and both “o”’s being omicrons).
I'm not sure what your point is. Even if the Greek transliteration is more faithful to the way ancient Hebrew was pronounced than the one I presented, it still is anything remotely close to Saba Sabani.
ML/NJ
But all that bible stuff is a bunch of myths. /sarcasm
Forgeries.
Coins were an invention of the Lydians c.700 BC, over 700 years later than Joseph, and their use spread from there. Had coins been an earlier invention, their earlier use would have been ubiquitous.
(I have a fair acquaintance with numismatics.)
They believe a perfect version of the Koran rests in Heaven, and any time it might be lost on Earth (which they don't believe can happen, but who knows) it can be readily copied over for a re-release.
Now, the other explanation ~ the Koran is made up of information derived from many sources, one of which was a Missionary's Handbook (in Aramaic) written in Damascus for the purpose of Chritianizing the Arabs of Mecca. There are also references to pagan traditions found in the book. And even more startling the builders (in Damascus after its conquest by the Arabs from Mecca and Medina, and after Mohammad's death) had in their hands a copy (possibly in Aramaic, but most likely in Hebrew) of a very old but divergent Torah.
As you know Jews bury used and worn Torahs the same way they do human bodies. Out in the desert country around Mecca there are probably still lots of Torahs buried away for the future.
The one that ended up being referenced by the Koran just happened to have a depth of information about Joseph.
Which is why a devout, serious Moslem in Egypt can have faith that the Koran is not going to mislead him regarding the materials discussed in the revealed parts of the text.
Now, for Jews and Christians, we can accept Joseph as a fiction in a religious pagent, or as a real man who went from a hole in the ground ~ abandoned and betrayed by his own kinsmen ~ to the righthand of Pharoah!
This discovery, if true, appears to support the Biblical story.
The Lydians supposedly made the first coins made out of Eletrum, a naturally occuring compound of silver, gold, copper and other metals.
Making the "first Electrum coin" is not the same as making the "first coin".
Still, there's a school of thought that wants to argue that Lydian gold buttons actually constitute the world's first coins ~ and they also argue that the small cast copper bulls or ceramic bulls invented in Sumer about 7,000 years ago (even before the first writing) were not really "money" ~ just a way of making accounts ~ even though you could swap a small cast copper or ceramic bull with the tax collector to meet your obligations to the government.
I know, it sounds like coins, and the way we use them, but for some people those items were more like federal reserve notes!
I'd like to propose aneven earlier version of "coinage". This was made simply by tieing down 5 inch logs in the bed of a stream where gold was known to appear. You'd leave them there several years and come back when the logs had become fully waterlogged and were beginning to disintegrate into pulp.
While you were away the logs would have been banging against any dirt drifting downstream and knocking the heavier gold particles loose.
They'd be piled up in the bottom of the stream under the log.
You would simply shovel the pulp and near bottom out, lay it out to dry on a riverbank, and then roll it up and cart it away to be cut into chunks you could "spend" later. That early paper would be full of gold flakes. To get the gold you'd just light up the chunk. Instant value AND hence the expression "burn money".
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First, you have to know what a coin is. The numismatic definition, as stated in Webster’s is, “A small piece of metal, usually flat and circular, authorized by a government for use as money.” Another attribute not in Webster’s but usually associated with coins is that they have a standardized value. (and weight when most coins were of precious metal and worth that weight in metal as minted) That distinguishes a coin from medals and other bits of metal or other materials valued strictly by weight or other intrinsic characteristics.
The first coins imprinted with identifying marks by a government to be used as a standard medium of exchange were from Lydia in the 8th Century BC. All other “money” or medium of exchange before that was privately made and the design on it, if any, carried no significance.
That said, there was nothing issued by governments and therefore images glorifying the head of state or other officials would have been completely meaningless and pointless.
That doesn't mean they weren't coins.
Besides, today's coins are put together out of materials of no significant intrinisc value.
A good match for what we mean by coins today probably first occurred in the Shang dynasty. Those are the guys who developed the first known writing system in China proper.
Try: http://chinesecoins.lyq.dk/History/Coin_history_Shang_to_Warring_States.htm
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I don't wish to sound like an alarmist or some kind of end-of-time nut but it may well pay to be alarmed now. Ask yourself what could be the meaning behind rediscovery of these coins during a time when many people are storing food in a big way.
Many people will accept this as a sign and intensify their food storage efforts.
So, any photos emerge yet?
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