Skip to comments.Supreme Court Justice Ginsburg says her grandson born in Paris is a “natural born” citizen
Posted on 09/29/2009 4:09:26 AM PDT by Man50D
.. and the fruitloops just keep getting jucier and jucier!
Of course this was posted on an Obots website. You can google it if you want. I will not give credence to this website but I will darn sure explain that Ruth Bader Ginsburg is wrong!
My grandson was born in Paris of U.S. citizen parents. I had never considered him a naturalized citizen of the United States.
Justice Ginsburg again:
There is a debate over whether my grandson is a natural born citizen. I think he is.
Ruth, grow up and take your collective head out of you know where! Your grandson was born in Paris, France, not the USA. I am now thinking, how long have the parents lived in France? How old is the child? Does the child consider France home too? Does the child speak French, go to French schools, believe Europe is a nice cushy place to practice the NWO. Just where do the childs loyalties lie?
I will bet you one thing is for sure. As soon as practical after the child was born Ginsburgs children (parents of the grandson) ran down to the US Consulate in France to submit the paperwork for US citizenship. Just because the law says the child is a US citizen at birth, that doesnt mean the US is going to let the child inside the Country legally without a US Passport or formal paperwork.
(Excerpt) Read more at americangrandjury.org ...
Did she twitter the news to Jane Stone at NBC?
By reading the Tea Leaves in this case, it doesn't look good for the resident Marxist in the White House if his case ever gets to SCOTUS. Stevens and Kennedy voted with Thomas and Scalia on this. NBC status was very much discussed here. Oh yeah, INS won. The dude was deported.
The child of American parents, born abroad, is a US citizen by birth through the operation of statute law, NOT through the operation of Natural Law. As such, the child is not Natural Born, contrary to Ms. Ginsburg’s wishful thinking.
Here’s the thing about “Natural Born” citzienship: it is citizenship NOT granted by the State, and hence cannot be revoked by the State. It is a NATURAL state of citizenship that does not depend on the operation of any enacted law.
It derives from the location of birth and the citizenship of the parents and especially by that of the father.
A child born abroad of American parents would not be a citizen of the United States at all if it were not for the operation of statute law. In fact, the statutes regarding the granting of citizenship to children of US citizens who happen to be born outside the US have changed several times over the years and a child born abroad in 1961 who under certain circumstances would not have qualified for US citizenship, for example Barack H. Obama, might well have had he been born in 1995.
While someone may be a US citizen at birth under the operation of statute (if circumstances are compliant with the law) such a citizen is not a “natural born” citizen, and for those who insist that all forms of citizenship can be divided into two classes, “natural born” and “naturalized”, then these children must be considered as “naturalized” as their citizenship devolves upon them by operation of statute law, as it does with all other forms of naturalized citizenship.
A “naturalization” ceremony is not the sine qua non of this type of citizenship - dependence on the operation of statute law is.
Not to dice words here, but the Constitution does not say that one must be born within the geographic boundaries of the United States or any of their possessions in order to be natural born citizens. Until passage of the 14th Amendment, it didn’t even say that persons born within the boundaries are citizens (slaves and Indians weren’t citizens). It is a long estblished principal, going back through the days of the Roman Empire, that a persons is born a citizen if and only if his parents are citizens. The location of birth was irrelevant.
Ginsburg is corrent. Her grandson is a natural born citizen. Deal with it.
Ref; US Code, Title 8, Chapter 12, section 1401.
Paragraph (g) in the above also 'proves' Barry IS a 'Natural Born Citizen'.
Well I have to say that is somewhat strange to me as I have a certificate of naturalization after being born of two american parents in Saigon Vietnam in 1956.
Perhaps the natural born part is only if you have “important” relatives
Barry was born to a Kenyan and an under age American girl...that does not sound the same to me....
If you’re having to refer to statute, then that’s not natural born citizenship.
Congress was enumerated power over immigration and naturalization, only. Laws on the books must be construed to deal with immigration and naturalization only, as a result. Otherwise, such statute would be unconstitutional.
All citizens have the same rights and duties, excepting as the Constitution makes a distinction, and only the Constitution makes any distinction.
That distinction being eligibility to various national offices, by age, plus length of residency or birth status, increasingly narrow as the level of official capacity increases.
Natural born citizenship only pertains, legally under the Constitution, to the Executive branch, regarding eligibility to the Office of President. Eligibility to succeed the President in turn implies the requirement upon the line of succession.
One important piece of information is an original birth certificate, stating the hospital of birth, attending WITNESSES, times, and dates. This information is not only lacking from the Obama debate, but Obama is actively paying lawyers to prevent the disclosure of this important paper. Why?
They file “report of American citizen born abroad” not “paperwork for citizenship”. My mother was born on an Air Force base in Germany to two American citizens; she has such a report next to her German birth certificate in the files and can claim only US and not German citizenship. My father was born in England, at a local hospital, to a US citizen and a British (at the time) citizen. He has the same paper. He could have claimed British citizenship if he’d ever wanted to. I’m pretty sure he’s a natural born citizen too.
Arguments over whether or not Obama is a natural born citizen are much narrower than just “he was born overseas”. They involve laws at that time and his parents’ marital status. It doesn’t follow from that that all Americans born abroad are not natural born citizens.
I wasn’t aware that the state can revoke any citizenship once granted. Can you provide a link to support that? Thanks.
Two American parents, child born anywhere is still an American. I don’t get the twisted thinking or the name calling below.
I have a French birth certificate with a US state department certificate of being born abroad.
I have two cousins born in Colombia to my
aunt a Colombian and my Uncle a US citizen that are US citizens. Neither have lived in the states other than to attend college, but both hold US passports. (I doubt they’re looking to become President)
Holding a US passport is still considered a great achievement, at least in Colombia.
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