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Legal Immunity Set for Swine Flu Vaccine Makers
FoodConsumer.org ^ | August 20, 2009

Posted on 09/29/2009 2:35:49 PM PDT by khnyny

Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sibelius has not only given immunity to the makers of Tamiflu and Relenza for injuries stemming from their use against swine flu, she has granted immunity to future swine flu vaccines and “any associated adjuvants”. The last time the government embarked on a major vaccine campaign against a new swine flu, thousands filed claims contending they suffered side effects from the shots. This time around, they will have no recourse.

The 2006 Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act (the PREP Act) allows the DHHS Secretary to invoke almost complete immunity from liability for manufacturers of vaccines and drugs used to combat a declared public health emergency.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: flu; h1n1; immunity; influenza; legal; swineflu; vaccine
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1 posted on 09/29/2009 2:35:50 PM PDT by khnyny
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To: khnyny

And that settles that.

No thanks.


2 posted on 09/29/2009 2:37:24 PM PDT by angkor (The U.S. Congress is at war with America.)
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To: khnyny

I have never, ever gotten a flu shot. I see no reason to start now, especially in light of this.


3 posted on 09/29/2009 2:38:40 PM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Those who provide the least and demand the most have a voting majority.)
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To: khnyny

Can she “grant immunity”? On what basis can a civil suit be quashed?


4 posted on 09/29/2009 2:39:50 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: khnyny

Nice how they cant be sued on this but she does not want torte reform. Is she talking out of both sides of her horse mouth?


5 posted on 09/29/2009 2:41:08 PM PDT by elephant
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6 posted on 09/29/2009 2:42:32 PM PDT by novemberslady
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To: the_Watchman

I am all in favor of this, maybe it will make tort reform more palatable.


7 posted on 09/29/2009 2:42:44 PM PDT by AUH2O Repub (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: khnyny

“Legal Immunity Set for Swine Flu Vaccine Makers”

No one will be sticking that poison into me.


8 posted on 09/29/2009 2:43:32 PM PDT by Grunthor (Gun toting, Bible thumping Flag waver. According to the left, I am a racist.)
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To: khnyny

Must have drawn a page out of the Clinton administration play book involving anthrax vaccine.


9 posted on 09/29/2009 2:44:28 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Release Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich and let him and his family get on with their lives.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

Dems are in bed with big pharma.


10 posted on 09/29/2009 2:45:22 PM PDT by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: khnyny

looks as if Tort Reform is good enough for their friends (and a very draconian Tort Reform at that)


11 posted on 09/29/2009 2:46:56 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: AUH2O Repub

I am all for tort reform. I am not into bashing the pharmacy industry. However, NOBODY should be granted blanket immunity for bodily harm given the stakes. This is simply a move towards mandatory immunizations so local and state officials will have cover.

To liberals “choice” only matters if the problem is killing babies.


12 posted on 09/29/2009 2:51:23 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

Neither have I. I also don’t get the flu.


13 posted on 09/29/2009 2:51:35 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

and yet...

Dodd pens telecom immunity repeal
The Hill
Posted on 09/28/2009 5:16:56 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2350384/posts


14 posted on 09/29/2009 2:52:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: khnyny

Does the constitution exist anymore? A branch of the government can tell the world they can’t sue someone?


15 posted on 09/29/2009 2:53:16 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I hate all politicians, including republicans.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

When the government tries to strong arm people to get a shot, look out.


16 posted on 09/29/2009 2:53:16 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: khnyny

Nice...what group is most susceptible to the dangers of Swine Flu?..The very young and the elderly...O’s team has no sympathy for the elderly especially, so this comes as no surprise...Just wait—we’ll be around in 2010 and 2012 and we’ll remember this and we’re gonna get these dirty Rats...


17 posted on 09/29/2009 2:56:03 PM PDT by billmor (As another Freeper said- the lines are drawn, choose your side !)
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To: khnyny

No recourse...that’s what this administration wants for everything
they believe in. To hell with America.


18 posted on 09/29/2009 2:56:26 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (WARNING! WARNING! "Political Terrorist in Charge")
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

It’s against my religion!


19 posted on 09/29/2009 2:57:26 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (WARNING! WARNING! "Political Terrorist in Charge")
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To: stephenjohnbanker
When the government tries to strong arm people to get a shot, look out.

Like they're doing in NJ to the children by ordering mandatory flu shots.
Then there's those health workers in NY that are being forced to get the shot too...
20 posted on 09/29/2009 2:57:46 PM PDT by novemberslady
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To: the_Watchman
I am all for tort reform...However, NOBODY should be granted blanket immunity for bodily harm given the stakes.

You got that right. This isn't tort reform--it goes way beyond it.

This just sealed my decision not to get the vaccine. (I've never gotten a flu vaccine before and see no reason to start now, especially in light of this ridiculous decision.)
21 posted on 09/29/2009 3:02:45 PM PDT by The4thHorseman
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To: khnyny

“any associated adjuvants”

And that is what makes this EXTRA worrisome. Do a little research on Squalene. Novaris and Glaxo-Kline-Smith are reportedly using this in the manufacture of the vaccine. I sure hope those healthcare workers in NY get together and walk out before giving into that mandate. It may save their lives.


22 posted on 09/29/2009 3:05:56 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: khnyny

So the NJ state government is going to FORCE children to get the flu shot and there is no legal recourse if something goes terribly wrong?

BTW, DO NOT get the nasal spray vaccine as it contains the LIVE virus.


23 posted on 09/29/2009 3:06:24 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: NavVet

“Dems are in bed with big pharma”

Well, then it’s a 3some cause Repubs are right up in there too.....


24 posted on 09/29/2009 3:06:57 PM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: khnyny
Tha’s our gubmnt.
25 posted on 09/29/2009 3:07:55 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: khnyny

Well, that does not inspire much confidence in the stuff.


26 posted on 09/29/2009 3:23:29 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Obama = Jim Jones coercing us into suicide on a national scale)
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To: khnyny
Do these seem like the actions of a group who wants to ensure and safeguard the health of Americans, or who want to chemically ensure the reduced health of the populace and its possible reduction via mortality?

I am willing to entertain alternative conclusions. I just can't think of any.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

27 posted on 09/29/2009 3:24:14 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Yeah it’s OK though, cos corzine is confident.


28 posted on 09/29/2009 3:26:56 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: khnyny
So when do we get implanted with our chips?

Dear God, do something with these people!
29 posted on 09/29/2009 3:37:22 PM PDT by mlizzy (Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration Chapels Everywhere spells P.E.A.C.E.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog; All
Before everyone starts to freak out, I think an examination of the backstory needs to be looked at -

From what I understand, pharma companies were given certain lawsuit immunity regarding childhood vaccinations back in the 1980's. Pharma companies did not invest in new vaccines because of the liability and the lack of profit. From what I can ascertain, (don't quote me) the pharma companies told the government that they were not going to create new vaccines unless they received certain "protections". The government, afraid of the prospect of devastating, worldwide pandemics, caved into the pharmaceutical lobby pressure. Imho, the government caved and actually went overboard with a blanket immunity which has the potential to not properly protect or benefit the public.

To be fair, I believe that the government position was motivated, at least in part, by fear generated by the pharma lobby.

It's a complicated issue, with many aspects.


30 posted on 09/29/2009 3:38:01 PM PDT by khnyny
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To: khnyny

H1N1 vaccination trial participant has adverse reaction (thimersol and squalene discussed):

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/121071


31 posted on 09/29/2009 3:38:13 PM PDT by JavaJumpy
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To: khnyny

I wish some Dem or drug industry flunkee would flip and tell the public what deal Obabama cut with the drug industry to back his health plan. This has got to be part of that, otherwise I’d have to think our government’s just gone completely insane.

Wait a minute ....


32 posted on 09/29/2009 3:38:58 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: the_Watchman

If immunity is granted by the government, can it later be rescinded by another administration or even a new HHS?


33 posted on 09/29/2009 3:39:57 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: The4thHorseman

That’s it for me too! Time to say F U to these socialist rats. They best leave my Grandkids alone too!! come get me


34 posted on 09/29/2009 3:43:10 PM PDT by timetostand
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To: khnyny

IMHO I think it’s because of the squalene which is suspected of causing Gulf War Syndrome.


35 posted on 09/29/2009 3:43:33 PM PDT by JavaJumpy
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To: khnyny; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; Atom Smasher; machogirl; Arizona Carolyn; LucyT; SunkenCiv; ...
If the plaintiff's bar can't go after the drug companies, they'll have secondary targets. The doctors and other medical personnel administering the vaccine will be vulnerable and Sebelius and the congressional ‘Rats won't do a darn thing to protect them!
36 posted on 09/29/2009 4:02:50 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: khnyny

There are a LOT of people who are not aware of the fact that they have an egg allergy. Especially children, where the affects haven’t been figured out. This vaccine is egg based and can be extremely dangerous to people with egg allergies. It can kill and be much more deadly than the flu itself. Forced immunization with immunity is absolutely frightening. People should be screaming about this breach of our rights. Do not allow yourself to be vaccined if you are not sure if you have an egg allergy.


37 posted on 09/29/2009 4:11:07 PM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: khnyny

If those vaccine makers get immunity, then the people should be able to make the choice whether or not to get the shot! Simple as that! Sounds like they are expecting problems from the vaccine! I will not take it!


38 posted on 09/29/2009 4:24:05 PM PDT by Circle_Hook
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To: khnyny

Ain’t no way!!! I don’t trust any of them now.


39 posted on 09/29/2009 4:33:49 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: khnyny

Everything is complicated these days. What I see clearly, to cut to the chase and the quick, is a fascist leftist/Marxist government trying to force-feed us all a diet of government-controlled, nanny-state, ‘cradle to grave’ (emphasis on the grave part ala end of life counseling/death panels) healthcare... wherein they can also force us to accept vaccinations that may or may NOT be safe with no recourse but to suffer the unknown consequences, force us to take the insurance at penalty of fines and/or imprisonment, and force us to do any number of other, currently unknown or unlisted, government-mandated edicts.

Not so complicated, really.....when you look at things with unclouded (ie unliberal leftist) eyes.

My one big question is this. Why the HELL isn’t everybody speaking out, en masse, against this current fascist regime and its’ attempts to FORCE ‘supposedly free’ Americans to do ANYthing???


40 posted on 09/29/2009 4:40:28 PM PDT by XenaLee
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To: khnyny

You’re exactly right. Vaccines are not very profitable to begin with, couple that with the liability/malpractice angle, and nobody wants to make them anymore. That’s not really the fault of “Big Pharma”. Those with long memories (not me) will remember that the first iterations of the Polio vaccine in the 50s had problems. I recall that somebody in the line at Ft. Dix, New Jersey dropped out of the line at the innoculations during basic training. Always wondered, never saw him again.. It sucks, they made us all take the Anthrax shot. Was a pincushion prior to that even!!


41 posted on 09/29/2009 4:58:36 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: justiceseeker93

Sue Congress.


42 posted on 09/29/2009 5:18:48 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Circle_Hook

like these healthcare workers in Albany today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1fs1XSYv8E

and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7wBwOEsw2I&NR=1

hat tip to Mary 08 of
http://www.swineflu.org/printer_friendly_posts.asp?TID=28812


43 posted on 09/29/2009 5:20:32 PM PDT by hyperconservative (Seek and find. Read, verify, and share info. Work and fight.)
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To: angkor

This isn’t new or unique. Immunity for drug makers was initially granted by Ronald Reagan in reply to shysters of the John Edwards variety. The industry was crippled and on the verge of being pushed out of the United State entirely. As it was we lost most of the smaller companies.

I hate shots as much as anyone and probably more then most, but geez. I’m halfway down the second page of FR tonight and this is the fourth immunization hysteria article I’ve seen. I think tonight will be a record.


44 posted on 09/29/2009 6:30:36 PM PDT by tlb
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To: khnyny

does anyone know about squalene as an adjuvant?

the following comes from wiki:

> An adjuvant that uses squalene is MF59 and is Novartis’ proprietary adjuvant that is added to influenza vaccines to help stimulate the human body’s immune response through production of CD4 memory cells. MF59, is the first oil-in-water influenza vaccine adjuvant to be commercialized in combination with a seasonal influenza virus vaccine. It was developed in the 1990s by researchers at Ciba-Geigy, a Novartis heritage company, and Chiron, acquired by Novartis in 2006.[7]


45 posted on 09/29/2009 7:16:44 PM PDT by ken21 (i am not voting for a rino-progressive.)
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To: Freedom4US

That’s right - vaccines were not profitable so the drug companies did a cost benefit analysis - too many costs, not enough benefits. They then threatened not to invest any more time or money into research and development, so the government gives them certain protections. Imho, a better balance should have been achieved between public health concerns and drug company demands.

To channel Gordon Gecko (Wallstreet) “greed is good”. Greedy drug companies\\//greedy trial attorneys - in most instances the two balance one another out. A kind of yin/yang, lol.


46 posted on 09/29/2009 8:56:33 PM PDT by khnyny
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To: TribalPrincess2U
It’s against my religion!

Mine too! Plus, I'm afraid I'll develop an intermittent seizure disorder. And chronic neck pain too.

47 posted on 09/29/2009 9:00:42 PM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Hey, O'Riley! I'd rather be a CRACKER than a CASPAR.)
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To: 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; ...
Ping...


Keep up with other H1N1 update stories on this thread: H1N1 flu victim collapsed on way to hospital [Latest H1N1 updates downthread] thanks to DvdMom and others.

48 posted on 09/29/2009 10:32:18 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: khnyny; JavaJumpy; All

Does anyone know if squalene is present in the regular annual flu shot (not the H1N1 shot). I’m scheduled to get the regular flu shot tomorrow and have the past several years without problems. I’m shying away from the H1N1 shot for now. Thanks - OB1


49 posted on 09/30/2009 7:33:04 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (There are four boxes used in defense of liberty: Soap, ballot, jury, & ammo. Use in that order.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Thanks for the ping!


50 posted on 09/30/2009 8:24:26 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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