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Government-Run Health Care by Next Thursday
The Heritage Foudation ^ | September 30th, 2009 | The Foundry

Posted on 09/30/2009 6:37:54 PM PDT by counterpunch

Multiple sources on the Hill have told The Foundry that as early as next week, the Senate could be debating Obamacare. Senate Majority Leader Reid has stated an intention to take the HELP Committee product and merge it with the Senate Finance Committee markup that is expected to be over by this Thursday or Friday. Their plan is to proceed to a House passed non-health care bill to provide a shell of legislation to give Obamacare a ride to the House and then straight to the President’s desk.

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.heritage.org ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 0bamacare; 111th; agenda; bhohealthcare; democrats; healthcare; liberalfascism; obamacare; socializedmedicine
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1 posted on 09/30/2009 6:37:55 PM PDT by counterpunch
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To: counterpunch
Also see:
Human Events: Congress's Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare
Rush Limbaugh: The Democrats' Secret Plan to Pass the Public Option by Next Thursday
 
2 posted on 09/30/2009 6:38:48 PM PDT by counterpunch (In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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To: counterpunch; bamahead; rabscuttle385; ExTexasRedhead

The Democrats must be hell-bent on imposing this plan. They have to know that they will pay dearly in 2010, unless they’re delusional.


3 posted on 09/30/2009 6:40:58 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Liberal sacred cows make great hamburger)
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To: counterpunch

How many of our military are going to be able to read this Bill. They will get caught up in it when they get out of the service.


4 posted on 09/30/2009 6:42:09 PM PDT by RC2
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To: counterpunch

Yipee! Next is free housing and electricity!/s


5 posted on 09/30/2009 6:42:32 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Clintonfatigued

Everyone Will Be A Ward Of The State!


6 posted on 09/30/2009 6:42:47 PM PDT by Son House (President Ă˜bama => Status: AWOL)
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To: counterpunch

If they do this.....there will be riots.


7 posted on 09/30/2009 6:44:17 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear ('They're drinking the juice.'~ Bar)ack H. Obama)
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To: counterpunch

Drop ‘em and bend over! Here it comes! Because elections have consequences, we can’t stop ‘em! They “won!” America lost!


8 posted on 09/30/2009 6:44:46 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I don't remember Americans being called "racists" when we fought against Hillarycare.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
If they do this.....there will be riots.

Part of the political plan me thinks.

9 posted on 09/30/2009 6:46:14 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Liberalism demands the delusioned state of being.

With such massive opposition to this, if they do this, it will be their undoing.


10 posted on 09/30/2009 6:46:43 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (30-year smoker, E-Cigs helped me quit, and O wants me back smoking again?)
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To: counterpunch
This story is so convoluted and this non secret plan is so stupid and destined for total failure even the stupid democrat leadership is not that stupid to try to implement it.
11 posted on 09/30/2009 6:47:16 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: counterpunch

Guess it wasn’t really very secret, was it? LOL


12 posted on 09/30/2009 6:47:43 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (THE ONLY ASTROTURF IN CONGRESS IS FOUND BETWEEN NANCY PELOSI'S EARS!!)
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To: Clintonfatigued
The Democrats must be hell-bent on imposing this plan.

Oh for crying out loud, how could any one conger such a crazy idea? /MS

13 posted on 09/30/2009 6:48:30 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: counterpunch

Good luck!


14 posted on 09/30/2009 6:49:23 PM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: Son House
Everyone Will Be A Ward Of The State!

And comfortably numb.

15 posted on 09/30/2009 6:50:14 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Clintonfatigued
The Democrats must be hell-bent on imposing this plan. They have to know that they will pay dearly in 2010, unless they’re delusional.

I really believe that they don't care. They are so arrogant that they are thumbing their nose at Americans. They think they will make up all the votes lost by passing amnesty. Unfortunately, I'm afraid they're right.

16 posted on 09/30/2009 6:53:00 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (THE ONLY ASTROTURF IN CONGRESS IS FOUND BETWEEN NANCY PELOSI'S EARS!!)
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To: jveritas

Why do you think it is destined to fail?
The only chance we have to stop it is to alert the public.
Apparently FR wants to bury it, though.


17 posted on 09/30/2009 6:53:02 PM PDT by counterpunch (In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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To: RandallFlagg
With such massive opposition to this, if they do this, it will be their undoing.

It worked for the twin ports of Minnesota via the unions back in the '70's it certainly can work again the same way.

18 posted on 09/30/2009 6:53:33 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: counterpunch

It’s almost time for a march on Washington...right into the Senate Chambers, to politely ask them to slow down a bit.


19 posted on 09/30/2009 6:53:56 PM PDT by BobL
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To: counterpunch

Well, Rush talked about the “secret” plan today so they can forget that!


20 posted on 09/30/2009 6:54:59 PM PDT by Miss Didi ( "After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Maybe they are planning to cancel next years elections!


21 posted on 09/30/2009 6:55:11 PM PDT by antidemoncrat (.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Instead of riots, why not just stop working?

All across America, an old fashioned work stoppage. Take a week off, you know. They have been telling us how great it is to lose your job. Stay home, play with the kids. Have a staycation. Eat at home. NO ECONOMY.

That would show them, AND it would NOT give them the excuse to call for martial law.

Use your head, like Mel Gibson said in Braveheart.


22 posted on 09/30/2009 6:55:56 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: antidemoncrat

Can they do that? It’s never been done before, not even in 1862.


23 posted on 09/30/2009 6:59:03 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Liberal sacred cows make great hamburger)
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To: NRA2BFree

It must be. Hannity hasn’t mentioned it at all on his radio show. (I missed his TV show). He had the toe sucker on today and they both were talking about getting 60 votes vs the nuclear option and how the elderly are against the bill, so the Dems won’t want to go against them, yada yada yada.


24 posted on 09/30/2009 7:01:14 PM PDT by murron (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: counterpunch

I’m not saying it can’t or won’t happen.

But...

We were told they’d just ram through amnesty.

We were told they’d ram this though before the August recess.

I could go on, but you get the idea.

This ain’t over. It won’t be over Thursday, and it may not be over anytime before the Christmas recess. Everyone needs to put away the crying towels and man the phones. Melt the switchboard. Make the phonemonkeys in the Senate offices quit in a cold sweat. Fight’s on!


25 posted on 09/30/2009 7:01:51 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (We're right! We're free! And we'll fight! And you'll seeeeeeee!)
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To: Clintonfatigued

A group of us discussed this the other day: if there’s a federal state of emergency or martial law decreed, then yes, elections can be cancelled.

That would be something if they were cancelled. As you stated, they were held during the Civil War.

I put nothing against Barry 0 and his gang.


26 posted on 09/30/2009 7:02:58 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Who paid for Mary Jo Kopechne's funeral)
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To: counterpunch
Apparently FR wants to bury it, though.

Bury it? This so called secret plan has been posted few times on FR with many responses.

I simply believe that this so called secret plan by the democrats as revealed in this article is not going anywhere if there is such a plan to begin with. It is simply a stupid plan and those who are against socialized medicine are going to vote against it no matter what and they are not going to be tricked. If this silly trick and procedural maneuver really work, the socialists in Congress would have tried it long time ago.

This article is defeatist and we should not allow defeatism to take us over when the so called public option aka socialized medicine was killed yesterday in the Senate.

27 posted on 09/30/2009 7:04:18 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: Clintonfatigued

They don’t care. It’sw One Big Step for Communism.


28 posted on 09/30/2009 7:04:29 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: RandallFlagg
With such massive opposition to this, if they do this, it will be their undoing.

Maybe so, but once it passes, it's too late. The American people will have to elect a brand new Congress & a President w/ a vastly different mindset about the proper role of government before it can be repealed. That will take @ least 3 yrs to do, but by then I think it's safe to say that we will already be used to ObamaCare & the public won't be interested in eliminating it.

29 posted on 09/30/2009 7:06:04 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: jveritas

I suspect you’re right.

For one thing, the plan only works if almost everyone in their caucus goes along. With a few exceptions, every single Dem in both houses is smarter than Reid and Pelosi. I suspect that this is a trial balloon, and if it isn’t, I suspect they will charge forward without noticing (until it’s too late) that no one is following.


30 posted on 09/30/2009 7:07:03 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (We're right! We're free! And we'll fight! And you'll seeeeeeee!)
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To: jveritas

The Heritage Foundation article wasn’t posted before.
Knowledge is our only weapon against the Democrats right now.
If given a choice between over-exposure and under-exposure, I’ll err on the side of over-exposure.


31 posted on 09/30/2009 7:07:31 PM PDT by counterpunch (In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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To: TruthConquers

a lot of us are already NOT working


32 posted on 09/30/2009 7:07:45 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("Live Free or Fight")
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To: counterpunch
Apparently FR wants to bury it, though.

Explain.

33 posted on 09/30/2009 7:07:52 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (We're right! We're free! And we'll fight! And you'll seeeeeeee!)
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To: counterpunch

sig heil.


34 posted on 09/30/2009 7:10:26 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Mr. Silverback
Even a super socialist like Harkin who is pushing hard for socialized medicine said that any healthcare bill will not be ready before Christmas but according to this article this is a “secret plan” that we all know about it now where the socialists are going to pass socialized medicine next week using a procedural trick. I do not think so.
35 posted on 09/30/2009 7:10:29 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
With all due respect....BULLSHIT!!!!

This is war, and I mean it. What the hell do they think our brothers, sisters; sons and daughters; mothers and fathers have fought for and died for since the start of this great nation

We Know!!!! FREEDOM!!!!!

And no sorry excuse of a human in Washington is ever going to take that Blood earned Right from me or my family or any of us, without a fight they have never seen before.

God help them, but please God be with those who carry you and the love of your Country strong in their hearts most.

36 posted on 09/30/2009 7:15:19 PM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (We the people, ..... never)
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To: TruthConquers

My husband is opting to have his job eliminated (rather than one of his co-workers who is younger)....we’ve saved ...won’t be paying taxes for the next 2-3 years.....maybe after 2012.....SCREW ‘EM!


37 posted on 09/30/2009 7:16:02 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Democrat party has always been the party of slavery, sedition, subversion, socialism and surrender)
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To: TruthConquers

Yes, stop the nation dead in its tracks.


38 posted on 09/30/2009 7:16:23 PM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (We the people, ..... never)
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To: ChrisInAR

0bamacare won’t kick in until after the 2012 election, conveniently.
However, it will take far more than 3 years to undo any damage this Congress and president does.
So long as Democrats can muster a filibuster, the 0bama agenda and legislative legacy is safe.

In a best case scenario, Republicans can break even in the Senate in 2010, give or take a seat or two.
It would take at least another 2 cycles for Republicans to get a filibuster proof majority, and it would take a truly alarmed and vigilant public for that to happen. By then it would be several years into 0bamacare, and the entire private health system would be eviscerated. We’ll be like the UK, truly unhappy with our government run system, but at the mercy of the government and terrified that we could lose the little bit of healthcare we have left.

This is a recipe for keeping the public under the thumb of government and those who are in charge of it, and the Democrats know it.


39 posted on 09/30/2009 7:16:32 PM PDT by counterpunch (In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

I had posted this in frontpage news and breaking, and it was removed from both, as if it is of no importance at all, relegated to the memory hole within the hour.


40 posted on 09/30/2009 7:18:57 PM PDT by counterpunch (In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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To: EGPWS

As long as people get to sit in front of their big screen tv, sippin lattes while surfing the net and chatting on their cell phones nothing will happen. We are still way too comfortable and have far too much left to lose. Unfortunately, we will be there soon and I don’t think we will have a place like FR to discuss strategy by then. Godspeed, JD


41 posted on 09/30/2009 7:26:10 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (Since they call Bush, "Dubya" then I must insist on calling Barry, "Hussein" *2009=1984 on steroids*)
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To: TruthConquers

now that’s a GOOD idea, if needed...


42 posted on 09/30/2009 7:28:38 PM PDT by Tirian
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To: counterpunch

Were the threads you posted dupes?

No offense, but if you’re accusing anyone at FR of censorship that supports Harry Reid’s agenda, you need a CAT scan.


43 posted on 09/30/2009 7:29:50 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (We're right! We're free! And we'll fight! And you'll seeeeeeee!)
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To: socialismisinsidious


Socialized Medicine aka Universal Health Care daily digest PING LIST

FReepmail me if you want to be added to or removed from this daily digest ping list (one ping per day of links to pertinent articles).




44 posted on 09/30/2009 7:43:16 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Rush said today to concentrate calls to Reid and Hoekstra - not to bother with Pelosi. Call early and call often.


45 posted on 09/30/2009 7:55:42 PM PDT by Jane Long (Clean out Congress...give 'em term limits and their own dose of "government" healthcare.)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

My sentiments exactly!! Gave 6 years of my life defending the Constitution of the United States. Am a bit older now but can still hit a fly on a wall at 100 yards and that’s just with a 54 cal muzzleloader. Sign me up!!


46 posted on 09/30/2009 8:01:55 PM PDT by USAF70 (America is not 'governed' by the President or Congress. America is governed by the U.S.Constitution.)
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To: Jane Long

Really? Why call Reid? I figure he’s as lost a cause as Pelosi, so I’ve been concentrating on Blue Dog types, plus a little spine reinforcement for Repubs and sticking the knife in the loopy Dems on occasion. Like when I told Pelosi to eave the Air Force alone and use her broom...


47 posted on 09/30/2009 8:13:09 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (We're right! We're free! And we'll fight! And you'll seeeeeeee!)
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To: nutmeg

bookmark


48 posted on 09/30/2009 8:15:19 PM PDT by nutmeg (Obamunism is destroying America)
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To: counterpunch
When the DEMS lose the House in 2010, can this monstrosity be reversed?
49 posted on 09/30/2009 8:15:50 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: TruthConquers
Instead of riots, why not just stop working?

Kinda like going Galt, huh?


50 posted on 09/30/2009 8:23:03 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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