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It would be nice if they would give the funding details on the lefty groups they quote.
1 posted on 10/01/2009 2:58:10 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley
the reporting and blogging on this issue ignores the fact that the revenue raised from emission permits would be returned to consumers under both administration and legislative proposals

Good grief! We are not so dumb as they want us to be. Everyone's utility bills are going to go up a lot. These emission permits will raise a lot of money for the government. Yes, some of it will be returned to consumers. But, only after 40% to 50% of it gets stuck in Washington to pay for the bureaucracy that is required to administer the program. Just imagine how many new government union workers we will have to hire.

Another thing about "returning the money to consumers". The funds that are left, after government takes its share, will be distributed to the "poor" to offset the huge increase in their utility bills. More Democratic compassion! It is redistribution of wealth, plain and simple! Take money from the "rich", use half of it to hire gov't workers, then give the rest to the "poor".

2 posted on 10/01/2009 3:16:37 AM PDT by REPANDPROUDOFIT (no more "till death do us part" public workers!)
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( http://cei.org/news-release/2009/09/28/obama-treasury-dept-still-hiding-info-global-warming-‘cap-and-tax’-costs )

Breaking News: Treasury Admits Global Warming Cap-and-Trade Costs Could Hit $300 Billion Annually

by Christine Hall
September 28, 2009

Obama Treasury Dept Still Hiding Info on Global Warming ‘Cap-and-Tax’ Costs

Admissions of Job Losses & Hundreds of Billions in Cost Insufficient; CEI to Sue

Washington, D.C., September 29, 2009— The Competitive Enterprise Institute today notified the Treasury Department of CEI’s intent to sue for the administration’s inadequate disclosure of documents addressing its expectations of and intentions for a global warming “cap-and-trade” plan. CEI’s notice of intent to sue was contained in an appeal filed today with the agency.

The cost estimates running as high as $300 billion per year contained in the few documents released by Treasury two weeks ago set off a political firestorm. Such cost estimates were far above the government’s public estimates and previously hidden from the public. The higher figures and other expected impacts were revealed only after a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) documents request by CEI Senior Fellow Christopher Horner.

The agency responded to CEI’s requests, after months of delay, by producing a mere five documents. Initially, even those documents were released with politically embarrassing portions blacked out. Days later, the same documents were re-released without the blacked out portions, but still not in their entirety.

“Your response fails any reasonable test for compliance with FOIA and constitutes an effective denial of our request,” stated Horner, in the notice of appeal filed today.

Documents released by Treasury on September 18 revealed:

• Internal agency estimates of a crushing blow to manufacturing jobs and that a global warming cap-and-trade plan could hit $300 billion annually, while raising billions in revenue to fund various programs.

• Treasury estimates that “domestic policies to address climate change and the related issues of energy security and affordability will involve significant costs and potential revenues, possibly up to several percentage points of annual GDP (i.e. equal in size to the corporate income tax).”; and that

• Treasury believes that carbon regulation “may result in loss of domestic and international market shares for U.S. companies, and relocation of U.S. firms abroad, representing both a political problem and an environmental problem” singling out how “energy-intensive sectors, such as the steel, aluminum, paper, chemicals, and cement industries, where imports are ready substitutes and lower carbon technologies are not widely available, are clearly vulnerable.”

Heeding President Obama’s call for such a scheme, a cap-and-trade plan already passed the House as part of the Waxman-Markey bill. Senators Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) and John Kerry (D-Mass) plan to introduce their version this week. Both approaches require Americans to purchase energy use “allowances” and amount to a large tax on energy and the cost of all goods, given the energy required to produce and bring them to market. As a candidate, Obama expressed his intention to use cap-and-trade to cause Americans’ energy costs to “necessarily skyrocket.”

Treasury’s response to date and CEI’s Appeal and Notice of Intent to Sue reveal how the administration is still not being straight with Congress and the American people about this.

> Read more about CEI’s Appeal and Notice of Intent to Sue

> Read more about CEI's FOIA request

> Read more by Christopher Horner, author of Red Hot Lies: How Global Warming Alarmists Use Threats, Fraud, and Deception to Keep You Misinformed

3 posted on 10/01/2009 3:20:44 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (Limit all U.S. politicians to two terms: One in office and one in prison!)
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How come it was the libertarians that sued to get the D.C. gun ban overturned, and it is them in Chicago getting their gun ban over turned. It was the libertarians that sued in Connecticut for property rights and now this?

WERE THE HELL IS THE GOP? WHAT, THOSE BIG GOVERNMENT BIG TAXES BIG BAILOUT REPUBLICANS DON'T HAVE LAWYERS???

6 posted on 10/01/2009 4:34:52 AM PDT by Leisler (It's going to be a hard, long winter)
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To: markomalley

We need a president that won’t play politics when it comes to the science...and cost...of “global warming alarmism”.


7 posted on 10/01/2009 5:28:54 AM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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9 posted on 10/01/2009 8:30:03 AM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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Here's a little info on 'SourceWatch' that ABC conveniently failed to mention:

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7352

The founder of SourceWatch is Sheldon Rampton, who also serves as CMD's Research Director. Rampton was formerly an outreach coordinator for the Wisconsin Coordinating Council on Nicaragua, a group established in 1984 to oppose President Reagan's efforts to stop the spread of Communism in Central America, and currently dedicated to promoting a leftist vision of "social justice in Nicaragua through alternative models of development and activism."
10 posted on 10/01/2009 8:32:59 AM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: markomalley
Never-the-less, the IPCC has based its apocalyptic "hockey stick" chart of rising global temperatures that, it now turns out, is based on the historic concentric rings on exactly 12 trees. Count 'em, twelve sets of rings.

Billions of dollars ripped from the coffers of the rich countries and showered on the developing nations, industries crippled, carbon sacrificing, electricity plants shut down, etc., etc., etc. .....based on 12 trees somewhere in Russia?

It's almost laughable, if it weren't so sickening. Is it just me....or have we been had?

12 posted on 10/01/2009 9:29:38 AM PDT by CanaGuy (Go Harper!)
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BTTT!


14 posted on 10/01/2009 10:30:36 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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The Bum Rap on Biofuels
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19 posted on 10/02/2009 9:07:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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The group, SourceWatch notes, has been "well funded" for their endeavors by companies like ExxonMobil. According to SourceWatch's figures, in 2005 CEI received $180,000 from ExxonMobil Corporate Giving and $90,000 from ExxonMobil Foundation, all in the name of "general operating support."

Funding disclaimers like this are a standard part of every MSM story on anyone in opposition to the Left.

You'll never, ever see a funding disclaimer in an MSM story on Media Matters, ACORN, etc. How are donations from George Soros, Peter Lewis, and Peter Angelos not also "corporate"?

20 posted on 10/02/2009 9:46:38 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("I'm sure this goes against everything you've been taught, but right and wrong do exist"-Dr House)
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