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Supreme Court Hears Mojave Cross Case
ABC News ^ | October 7, 2009 | Ariane de Vogue

Posted on 10/07/2009 1:53:57 PM PDT by La Enchiladita

Deep in the heart of the Mojave National Preserve in California stands a five foot cross carefully disguised in a plywood box.

The U.S. Park Service was forced to cover the cross until the Supreme Court decides whether the cross can remain in its place as a monument to fallen soldiers during World War I, or whether it must come down because its presence violates the Constitution.

The case is the latest in a recent flurry of challenges to religious symbols placed on public property.

The cross was constructed more than 70 years ago by the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

...Frank Buono, a retired National Park Service employee, expressed his dismay that the government was showing favoritism of one religious symbol over another.

...In 2003 Congress found a novel way to deal with the situation: it passed legislation to transfer the land to private ownership.

...Lawyers for Buono say that the proposed transfer is merely a sham and an ineffective way to try to get around the constitutional violation. They argue that although the land might be transferred to private hands -- owned by the Veterans of Foreign Wars -- the government still has too close a relationship to the cross. The cross would still be designated as a national memorial and the government will maintain oversight of the property.

...Before even reaching the question of whether Congress acted appropriately, the Supreme Court will first have to decide whether Buono has the right -- or the legal "standing" -- to bring the case against the government.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: cross; firstamendment; lawsuit; mojave; mojavecross; scotus; vfw
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To: La Enchiladita

Maybe we can claim it isn’t a cross-cross.


21 posted on 10/07/2009 2:24:35 PM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: Carley

You gave me a smile. Just look at how complicated and convoluted this “case” has become. For 60 years, the cross was on display and no one complained until this Buono guy came along. And, oh yeah, he happens to be ACLU. For them, it’s two-fer: nail the Christians and the military. We are no longer a “free country” when we have so-called cases like this going to the Supreme Court.


22 posted on 10/07/2009 2:31:55 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (GO DODGERS!!! ALL THE WAY!!!)
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To: La Enchiladita

Buona was put in place for the specific purpose of attacking the cross.


23 posted on 10/07/2009 2:46:02 PM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: massgopguy
“A monument to fallen soldiers.” It’s not a church.

Hence my use of the term "religious expression".

24 posted on 10/07/2009 2:47:33 PM PDT by dan1123 (Gov't Healthcare Plan: Break it and Take it.)
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To: a fool in paradise
the official position of the government is that god does NOT exist.

Which makes the Free-exercise clause one of the most ignored parts of the Constitution.

25 posted on 10/07/2009 2:49:43 PM PDT by dan1123 (Gov't Healthcare Plan: Break it and Take it.)
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To: tet68

Perfectly said.


26 posted on 10/07/2009 2:59:36 PM PDT by Jacquerie (An elective despotism was not the government we fought for - James Madison)
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To: La Enchiladita
I'm hoping I can get the ACLU to help me. You see, there are two keys on my keyboard that have little crosses on them. One is beside the "Backspace" key and the other is above the "Enter" key on the number pad. These keys offend me and lots of government employees have similar keyboards. Thus, the government is promoting Christianity through its choice of computer equipment. This must stop!!

OK, so is my hypothetical case stronger or weaker than the "offended" malcontent that dislikes an old memorial in the desert? Maybe it isn't a cross but a "plus" sign and they are indicating "VETERANS +1" as a show of support. I can only hope they just call the complaintant an idiot and bill him for wasting years of everyone's time.
27 posted on 10/07/2009 3:00:32 PM PDT by philled (A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.-- GB Shaw)
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To: La Enchiladita
We are no longer a “free country” when we have so-called cases like this going to the Supreme Court.

Yes, the Left has determined the playing field. We can only dance around the edges of this settled, unconstitutional law.

28 posted on 10/07/2009 3:06:16 PM PDT by Jacquerie (An elective despotism was not the government we fought for - James Madison)
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To: Ben Mugged

Exactly. How long will we endure this government oppression? This crap won’t stop until they go to remove it, and are met with too many citizens, too well armed, to deal with without embarrassment.

Dig in a perimeter around that hill and hang a flag. “Come and take it”.


29 posted on 10/07/2009 3:08:20 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn thi title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
Deep in the heart of the Mojave National Preserve in California stands a five foot cross carefully disguised in a plywood box. The U.S. Park Service was forced to cover the cross until the Supreme Court decides whether the cross can remain in its place as a monument to fallen soldiers during World War I, or whether it must come down because its presence violates the Constitution.

30 posted on 10/07/2009 3:08:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: La Enchiladita

>> Yet he claims he must travel to the area 3-4 times per year and somehow try to avoid viewing the cross.

And yet this POS has managed to force the rest of the Country to suffer and pay for his selfish indignation.


31 posted on 10/07/2009 3:29:54 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: La Enchiladita
Before you know it, they are going to ban t's from the alphabet.

The fact that there was an injunction against the land swap that would have put this historical monument on private land, shows this to be pure harassment.

32 posted on 10/07/2009 4:21:42 PM PDT by World'sGoneInsane (LET NO ONE BE FORGOTTEN, LET NO ONE FORGET)
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To: digger48

Got a better idea ... What Would Patton Do?


33 posted on 10/07/2009 5:47:40 PM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (GOP: Stop listening, start doing -- we need new leaders!)
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To: Fast Moving Angel
Got a better idea ... What Would Patton Do?

"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.”

34 posted on 10/07/2009 5:55:31 PM PDT by digger48
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To: La Enchiladita
the aclu seems kinda like a self funded acorn
35 posted on 10/07/2009 6:07:42 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: La Enchiladita

This case and others like it are just surreal.

This just cannot be my country anymore.

Damn all lawyers, especially the ACLU.

When, how, where......do we stand up and reject this? When how and where can we make a stand against what’s happening in every niche of life? My God, this country is dying.


36 posted on 10/07/2009 6:10:08 PM PDT by bustinchops (Teddy ("The Hiccup") Kennedy - the original water-boarder)
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To: La Enchiladita

bookmark


37 posted on 10/07/2009 6:56:04 PM PDT by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: kjo
Jesus said there would come a time when the Word would be hidden...people too ashamed of their own actions to confront the Truth of the cross.

Can you point out where Jesus said anything at all about the cross?

The cross, which today is a ubiquitous symbol of Christianity did not come into use among Christians until the second century...

38 posted on 10/07/2009 7:25:04 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: OldNavyVet
So how did they get away with all the references to God on the building and monuments in Washington DC?
39 posted on 10/07/2009 7:48:26 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Romak 7.62X54MM, AK47 7.62X39MM, LARGO 9X23MM, HAPINESS IS A WARM GUN BANG BANG YEA YEA)
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To: a fool in paradise
...the official position of the government is that god does NOT exist.

The Constitutional position is that each American decides for themselves, and Congress stays out of it.

40 posted on 10/07/2009 8:14:18 PM PDT by HKMk23 (In the end, life contains only one tragedy: not to have been a saint.)
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