Posted on 10/08/2009 5:41:46 AM PDT by Zakeet
There are at least three ways American citizenship can be defined: by naturalization of legal statute; by being born on American soil; native born; natural born, as a child born on American soil having American citizen parents at birth. That is the real value of the Elg case, that it discussed three ways citizenship can be established. If another country confers citizenship upon an American citizen, that is not the same category as citizen by blood or location of birth, but the professional liar—WOSG/obamanoids working FR—will try to conflate those to appear the same. They seek to establish on the one hand ten cite as rediculous the strawman that dual citizenship does not contradict natural born citizenship ... and these liars will use the notion of another nation conveying citizenship upon an American citizen—of course ignoring the two means by which American citizenship of by blood and/or by birth location, focusing speciously upon by statute—as their proof that dual citizenship does not cancel natural born status. The very case the liar, WOSG, cited—Perkins v Elg—is a perfect example of a natural born citizen—Miss Elg—holding dual citizenship by natural born status AND by statute from Norway yet not losing her natural born status because she never utilized the Norwegian citizenship conveyed upon her by statute. Deception and dissembling are the game of posters like WOSG. It is lying by another name, when they seek to deceive readers as WOSG has tried to do.
LOL, Bingo!
“At different times he’s said he was born at either of two Hawaiian hospitals. ... Thus, the most likely scenario is that Stanley Ann was in Kenya “
That’s like saying that since scientists disagree as to whether moondust is 1.25% titatium or 1.5% titanium that the most likely scenario is the moon is made of cheese.
“If this isn’t true” Your fairy tale isnt ... “ then why have he and his minions fought so hard to avoid revealing” ... to keep you on a fools errand, of course.
Look at it this way. He's the son of two middle class people, one an up and coming Kenyan leader and the other a daughter of one of the first female vice presidents of a bank in Hawaii. That couple and Stanley Ann's mother would have made sure she had her first child in a hospital, not a private residence. Indeed, although he's been unable to specify which hospital in Hawaii he was allegedly born in, he's had no trouble saying he was born in a hospital. If that hospital were in Hawaii, he'd have produced the original, primary record, a Certificate of Live Birth duly prepared by that hospital. Since it's highly unlikely that he was born in a private residence in Hawaii, something he's never said happened, that leaves the question, "what hospital was he born at." The logical deduction is one not in the United States, probably in Kenya.
The other thing you're having a hard time with is the records. All of the physical records and human statements adduced as "proof" that he was born in the United States are secondary materials, allegedly based on his original Certificate of Live Birth. Hence, on the good old GIGO principle, if that certificate was falsified by Madelyn Dunham to make him a fake American, all of the secondary materials generated from it would have been equally false, without any of those who produced such materials having done or said anything that wasn't supported by the false certificate.
Since it was his obligation to prove he was constitutionally qualified to run for the office, it is and was the Illegal Alien's obligation to supply the documents he alone controls to prove he is constitutionally qualified. After all, if you want to get a child into first grade or obtain a passport for yourself, you have to supply a valid birth certificate for that child or yourself. The issuing authority doesn't have to prove you aren't qualified; you have to prove you are, just what the Illegal Alien clearly hasn't done.
You said a lot of stuff but you didnt answer my question. What genuine evidence do you have that Honolulu-born Barack Obama is an Illegal Alien? Apparently, you dont have any.
You do a good, mendacious job playing rhetorical tricks. I've presented a great deal of material that shows there's a serious doubt as to whether Obama is even a citizen, you don't try to refute it, because you can't, and then ignore the compelling information, that I've already presented, that shows he probably isn't a citizen, and try to get me to prove a negative instead of carrying your own burden of proof, which could be carried by simply presenting a copy of he original Certificate of Live Birth that he moves heaven and earth to conceal. If he didn't have something to hide, why is he making such an effort to hide it?
Your representation about being a Republican and going to one or more tea parties is on the order of the "lifelong Republicans" who keep calling Rush only to show they're DemonRat trolls.
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