Posted on 10/08/2009 5:41:46 AM PDT by Zakeet
Former House majority leader Tom Delay, who last night dropped out of ABC's "Dancing With The Stars," has once again expressed skepticism that President Obama is a citizen of the United States.
That aligns DeLay, a Republican once known as "The Hammer," with the so-called "birther" movement. The birthers' claims have repeatedly been shown to be illegitimate.
Newsweek noted in an interview with DeLay that he "got into some trouble for saying on TV that you weren't sure President Obama was born in the United States."
"What I said was, to answer a question from Chris Matthews, I said: Why wouldn't the president of the United States show the American people his birth certificate?," DeLay responded. "You have to show a birth certificate to play Little League baseball. It's a question that should be answered. It's in the Constitution that you have to be a natural-born citizen of the United States to be president."
Asked Newsweek: "Do you think he isn't a citizen?"
"I have no idea," said DeLay.
(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...
“I’ve seen comments on this thread which have educated me and I now think that there is at least the possibility that Obama’s US citizenship is in doubt.”
So Newsweak was correct in their phrasing?
What doubts about his citizenship are new to you? I dont see anything new in this thread that hasnt been around for the past year on the topic.
LOL, is that a serious question? Only US citizens/nationals get US passports.
From which country? It was most likely Indonesian. I couldn’t help notice you used the plural of passport.
“Wong and Elg don’t specifically define Natural Born Citizen, except for when you use them to bolster your own arguments”
You should read the Wong ruling.
It’s quite clear from the rulings quotes and texts that it references that ‘natural born citizen’ and ‘citizen at time of birth’ are the same thing. The Wong decision didnt require them to hold Wong to be ‘natural-born’ and thus the final decision doesnt say that.
“So would Barry be a Natural Born Citizen of England also?”
That depends on their own laws and it has nothing to do with our laws. US law is clear: no other countries laws on citizenship have bearing on our own laws of citizenship. Our own laws stand on their own. (See Elgg). To think otherwise is to put US law under some global regime.
Things are unclear and confusing only to those who don’t want the clear and unconfusing truth.
So you are correcting birthers who claim Obama is not a citizen?
"Either can get a passport, so your point that Obambi got a passport(s) is completely moot and irrelevant."
Obama's US passport is evidence he's a US citizen is all.
Nice try, obamanoid. I'll ask you again, deceiver, what nationality did he use to obtain a passport for travel in 1981? Yeah, that's what I thought, you have no proof of anything you spittle forth in service to your deceits.
Here's a little something written for folks just like you, who seek to deceive readers by misdirection and outright falsehoods:
M Scott Peck on Evil, From The People of the Lie:
“There really are people and institutions made up of people, who respond with hatred in the presence of goodness and would destroy the good insofar as it is in their power to do so. They do this not with conscious malice but blindly, lacking awareness of their own evil — indeed, seeking to avoid any such awareness. As has been described of the devil in religious literature, they hate the light and instinctively will do anything to avoid it, including attempting to extinguish it. They will destroy the light in their own children and in all other beings subject to their power. …
Evil people hate the light because it reveals themselves to themselves. …
“our own laws cannot automatically confer US citizenship from Obambi’s FATHER”
True but not the issue. Obama’s US citizenship was acquired/conferred otherwise - via place of birth (viz Wong ruling) and his mother.
“He was a dual citizen at birth, not Natural Born.”
1) So you acknowledge that Obama was a US citizen at birth?
2) The assertion is that dual citizens cannot be natural born citizens seems to contradict the SCOTUS Elgg ruling that showed/ruled otherwise. What Supreme Court ruling backs up your view?
“he would have been born, under natural law, with divided loyalties.”
We live under US Law. Again, under US law, his US citizenship is unaffected by things like British Nationality law of 1948. US law doesnt defer to other nations.
“From which country?” US.
As stated earlier in thread, Obama obtained and has a US passport.
Since only US citizens/nationals get US passports, he showed proof of US citizenship to get them.
“The People of the Lie”
LOL.... That would describe anyone who calls me “obamanoid”
I’m off to a Republican social and then a tea-party meeting later tonight. We’re plotting to defeat Obama ... Cheers!
Interesting little self-indulging story I have, if I may.
I few months ago, before the Chris Matthews and DWTS thing, I was eating a burger at a place called “Willie’s” in Sugar Land TX, about a mile from the house.
I look over at the table right next to me and there sits Tom DeLay. Iwas with my wife, my son and my son’s girl freind and I told the who it was. The Son’s girl freind says “Are you sure? This guy is short!” Having met Tom DeLay in 1996, I can tell you, he’s shorter than me and I’m only 5’-6” myself.
We left him alone and didn’t bother him. When he left, I caught his eye and I waved to him. He smiled and waved back.
When I got home, there was a message on my answering machine from our current Rep. Pete Olsen, saying he was sorry he missed us, that we were invited to join a teleconference town meeting.
I was thinking to myself “Boy, these congressman are just coming out of the woodwork tonight!”
What genuine evidence do you have that the Illegal Alien is a citizen? The only evidence ever adduced is entirely secondary, garbage that would not stand up against a best evidence objection in any court. Specifically, it's a couple of Internet published "Certifications" of Live Birth, each of which is based on an alleged "Certificate of Live Birth" that the Illegal Alien has fought tooth and nail, to the tune of about $1,000,000 in legal fees, to avoid revealing and two apparently contemporaneous birth announcements published in Hawaiian newspapers at the alleged time of his birth, each of which was based on the presently concealed "Certificate of Live Birth." At different times he's said he was born at either of two Hawaiian hospitals.
In fact, under Hawaiian law, then and now, a "Certificate of Live Birth" could have been obtained for him either 1) by it having duly issued by a birthing center, like a hospital; or 2) filled out by his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, or forged by someone purporting to be her, and claiming that he was born outside of a birthing center. In the case of option 2), no further verification was or is required.
Thus, the most likely scenario is that Stanley Ann was in Kenya close to the time of his birth, tried to get on a plane to return to the U.S., was rejected because her pregnancy was too far advanced, and bore him in Kenya. At that time she probably contacted Madelyn Dunham, her mother, and asked what she could do to make him a citizen. Madelyn then contacted a lawyer, learned Stanley Ann was too young to get him naturalized and also learned how easy it was to file a fraudulent Certificate of Live Birth. Then Madelyn, wanting her grandson to be an American with all the advantages accompanying American citizenship, forged and filed a fraudulent Certificate of Live Birth. Presto!! Little Bozo became a fake American.
If this isn't true, then why have he and his minions fought so hard to avoid revealing the actual Certificate of Live Birth when they could have resolved the whole matter for $10 or $15 by producing it. You ought to have at least enough intellectual curiosity to want to see it and learn why there's been such an effort to conceal it. Otherwise, your argument isn't even intellectually reputable. Indeed, you look very much like an Obamunist troll.
“How can someone with divided loyalties possibly even be a Natural Born Citizen?”
Read the Supreme Court Elgg ruling. Legally, natural born US citizens can be dual citizens. Its not a contradiction.
What genuine evidence do you have that Honolulu-born Barack Obama is an Illegal Alien?
“At different times he’s said he was born at either of two Hawaiian hospitals. ... Thus, the most likely scenario is that Stanley Ann was in Kenya “
That’s like saying that since scientists disagree as to whether moondust is 1.25% titatium or 1.5% titanium that the most likely scenario is the moon is made of cheese.
“If this isn’t true” Your fairy tale isnt ... “ then why have he and his minions fought so hard to avoid revealing” ... to keep you on a fools errand, of course.
If she’s seen it, that and 50 cents won’t get you a cup of coffee. The original Certificate, probably filled out by Madelyn Dunham, who forged Stanley Ann’s signature, looks OK, but is fraudulent becasue it claims the Illegal Alien was born in Hawaii, when he wasn’t. From there on it’s just classical GIGO, with every statement or certification being based on and repeating the original fraud.
Elg’s father was a naturalized citizen and her mother was also a citizen by the current laws in America at the time Elg was born. She was born to two American citizen parents. This is another example of the liar that WOSG is trying to float yet another mischaracterization of a SCOTUS ruling. I don’t think WOSG can help the lying he tosses at Freerepublic, so don’t expect anything truthful from the poster.
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