you mean - 'my grandfather served under Patton and my Uncle-in-Law liberated Auschwitz' (no he didn't!)
Posted on 10/16/2009 5:59:24 PM PDT by RobinMasters
A congressional committee deliberated only five years ago a plan that would have opened the door to allowing immigrants and others who do not qualify as "natural born" citizens in the United States entry into the Oval office – but ended up killing the plan.
One of the advocates for the plan was Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., whose comments still are available in an audio file posted at Talk Radio News.
"I believe in the right of the people to choose as they wish. People say, 'Well you're amending the Constitution.' The fact is in 1789 the notion of direct democracy was not the one that governed," the congressman said.
"Clearly in terms of world history the people who came to the American continent… They went for the first time to self governance, but they didn't go all the way. We have evolved substantially since that time, I think in a good direction," he said.
"We do have now this major obstacle in the way of the voters, and we say to them, 'We don't trust you, you could get fooled, I mean, they might, some foreign country might sucker you by getting some slick person and mole him into the United States or her and get that person citizenship and then years later have that person get elected president and you'll be too dumb to notice.'
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
0bama also tried to get it to include any descendant of military personnel.
http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=1326&wit_id=51
In 2004 Senator Nickles introduced a bill(S. 2128) to define ‘natural born’. It is in Part II of my series, A Congressional Natural Born Citizen. Those testifying that day were: Professor Akhil Amar, Doctor Matthew Spalding &
Professor John Yinger. Committee members were: Hatch, Leahy, Nickles & Conyers.
http://constitutionallyspeaking.wordpress.com/a-congressional-natural-born-citizen-parts-i-ii-iii/
If that audio came from Barney, it was not from the Senate hearing, I believe, from reading all the testimony on NBC thus far, that audio pertains to the numerous bills to eliminate the electoral college.
From Barney's statement in 2000: But whatever the rules are by which we elect people, I do not favor putting obstacles on the ability of the people to choose who they wish under those rules. I think the American public is perfectly capable of making those decisions, and for both those reasons I think the amendment is a good idea.
While the coverage is relevant & welcomed, atleast get the facts straight so people know where to look for the information. WND does none of this, they only quote what came from some blog without fact finding for themselves.
NBC stands for “Natural Born Citizen”, one of the requirements in the Constitution for the presidency of the United States. Whether or not O meets that requirement is the subject of substantial discussion here on FR.
You’re a lazy bastard!
Thanks for the ping!
McCain’s birth status was clear from the beginning. He was a Natural Born Citizen of the US, iaw the Constitution.
The Panama Canal Zone was considered to be US territory and was under US control at the time of his birth there in the Navy hospital. Both of his parents were US citizens.
A prophet .... maybe .. or someone
who knew the evil doings that were
afoot.
I think I’ll go with the latter .. ;)
you mean - 'my grandfather served under Patton and my Uncle-in-Law liberated Auschwitz' (no he didn't!)
...always acuse others of what you are yourself guilty of...
McDonald: The original Constitution contemplated a relatively weak presidency, but the office has become the most powerful in the world, and safeguards surrounding it are therefore more indispensable than ever. The one area of presidential authority that is virtually unchecked and uncheckable (despite the War Powers Act and similar efforts) is the president's power as commander in chief. Can that power be safely entrusted to a foreign-born citizen? John Jay didn't think so; nor do I; nor I suspect do the vast majority of Americans. Let us consider a few scenarios. Start with an extreme example. The espionage agencies of a number of countries, doubtless including the United States, have sometimes employed what in the spy novel is called an agent under deep cover. A young person is thoroughly trained and indoctrinated before being sent to an enemy country, where he or she becomes a citizen and an exemplar of respectable behavior. This goes on for years, even decades, until the parent agency determines that it is time to activate the agent. It is not difficult to imagine such a person obtaining an office of great trust. But a Senator is one of 100, and a Representative is one of 435. What check is there on the president who is one of one, except for the constitutional restriction? Page 50 PREV PAGE TOP OF DOC Should that seem too remote a possibility, consider a more likely case. A person comes to America from country ''X'' as a young man, takes out citizenship, become thoroughly Americanized, and is as loyal to his adopted country as can be. Nonetheless, in dealing with his original country he is bound to be influenced by his nativity, whether in the form of hostility or favoritism. Even should he prove able to rise above his prejudices and deal with the old country objectively, he would still be widely regarded as prejudiced, and the media would fan such suspicions. As commander in chief, it is not enough to be above reproach, one must be above the suspicion of reproach.
Frank: The problem I have with that Manchurian Candidate scenario of yours is that precisely the Manchurian Candidate was an American. The fact was that if we have this really omniscient foreign power—and I think I should say that in our entire history we have apparently had no examples of an elected official being planted from overseas, we have had no examples of a foreign country doing that, because as you have said, we have the House and the Senate, we have the Supreme Court, and there are other important positions. And I am not aware that anybody has ever succeeded in planting that mole here and have him or her grow into prominence and then be an elected official. But if you were going to do that, there would be no need to do it with one of your own nationals. As a matter of fact, it would be far cleverer to pick an American. There are Americans of a wide range of loyalties and ideologies. In fact, many of the most prominent spies have been native-born Americans.
I'm sure they'd love to get rid of the 22nd amendment, but 13 states can block repeal by refusing to ratify an amendment repealing the 22nd.
Yep ..
even if it may not have been in their minds then, it sure is now. There’s too much evidence that they looked at NBC clause as a “problem” that needed a solution.
I believe Scribd had pulled it for a few days. I wrote to them questioning their business plan and stated objectives (I'm sort of in their business), and suggesting that maintaining independence as stated in their bylaws might be in their long term business interest since they host documents which, if they couldn't assert complete neutrality, might cause them legal problems. I think they agreed because the document returned.
They said the document was not filtered at their servers, but I believe they are hosted by Google, so it may not have been Scribd. But it was filtered because I could still find documents I've accessed before at Scribd; it was not a nameserver problem.
His birth status was controversial going back to his first Presidential run. His being a natural-born citizen was and is in doubt under the Constitution.
The Panama Canal Zone was leased. Do you seriously entertain the idea, that we just handed over sovereign territory? The nation of Panama did not cede jurisdiction completely, and under the Constitution of Panama, John McCain was born a citizen of Panama. By virtue of his having been born of two U.S. citizen parents, John McCain was born a citizen of the U.S. as well.
That Senate Resolution, SR 511, would have been completely unnecessary, had there been no controversy over John McCain's citizenship status. And, the many Senate Bills, seeking to amend the Constitution, in order to extend natural-born citizenship to children born outside the country to military parents, would also be entirely unnecessary.
You're engaging in wishful thinking. The law and the Constitution do no support what you've said, unfair as it may sound. There are practical reasons to exclude individuals with foreign citizenship claims upon them from the Presidency, though, no matter how that foreign citizenship was acquired, or under what circumstance.
After they scrubbed McCain Clean, he couldn't point fingers at anyone else because he himself needed a good Scrubbing to qualify.
The House and Senate no longer represent the people, as they deliberately disrespect our contract with them. It's “In Your Face” attitude now.
2010 has all the ingredients of a massacre. There only hope is to manufacture more citizens who hate the country.
On many of the PUMA webbies, it has been theorized that the decision to ‘annoint’ BHO WAS made back IN 2004. The reason being Obama’s willingness to destroy the dollar/economy vs. Clinton(s) opposition to the plan. That is part of the reason why Hillary faced corrupt early caucus; had delegates and super delegates taken away.
The timing of the public acknowledgement of (at that time) a non issue by someone as corrupt as Frank raises all kinds of warnings with me.
The Won came out of virtual thin air to win the Oval Office. Great luck, or alot of preplanning.
There is too much ‘smoke’ for there not to be a ‘fire.’
My opinion on why the Birth Certificate issue is still in the courts, is that it is a nagging reminder to Obama to keep him in line; and not veer off plan. Do that and the ‘powers’ drop the paperwork and Obama is taken from office and becomes a blemish on Presidency.
I would agree with you as to the status of the Canal Zone at the time of McCain's birth. In fact, I have several older maps with the indication of the Canal Zone as "CANAL ZONE (U. S.)" Furthermore, the Canal Zone, though not a state, traditionally sent its own delegates (as did the other US territories) to the GOP and Dem presidential conventions - until Carter gave it back to Panama.
However, there seems to be some dispute as to whether the Navy hospital at which McCain was born was located in the Canal Zone or just outside of it in Panama.
Regardless, I think it is reasonable to pass legislation specifying that children born at a US government facility anywhere in the world to two US citizen parents are natural born citizens. For some reason, this has never been done.
Let's not forget why this plan was deliberated in the first place.
This was shortly after Arnold Schwarzenegger won the California Recall election for Governor in 2003. There was "bipartisan" support for this at the time because the Democrats also saw Jennifer Granholm as their foreign-born rising star.
-PJ
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