Boeing talks fall apart; S.C. likely to get 787 line

Seattle Times ^ | 10/27/09 | Domonic Gates

[AngelesCrestHighway]

Discussions between the Machinists union and Boeing over the second 787 production line for Everett are effectively dead, according to a person familiar with the negotiations. Boeing now appears close to choosing Charleston, S.C., as the location of the second line. The person close to the negotiations said an announcement could come within days. Boeing management has turned down further talks over the potential 10-year no-strike agreement the company had sought, the person said. "The union wants to continue talking," said this source, who is not aligned with the union. "The Boeing Co. does not want to talk any further. "The company is fairly close to being done, if not done already," the person said. Boeing spokespeople could not be reached for comment late Tuesday.

[domenad]

Does card check nullify right-to-work? If so, that’s another kick in the crotch.

[The Pack Knight]

Oh yeah. I grew up in Northern Ohio and live in the South now. The truth is, not everyone in the old Industrial Midwest is ignoring the jobs going to the South. That’s exactly the reason for “card-check.” Card-check is nothing other than a way to get around Taft-Hartley and destroy the right-to-work state.

Unions have created a new sectionalism in the United States. You heard some of that rhetoric last winter during the debates over the auto bailouts. Midwestern Democrats blamed opposition to the bailouts on Southern Republicans who they claimed actively wanted to bankrupt GM and Chrysler in order to help the foreign companies that build cars in non-union shops in the South.

Frankly, I think the South should be unapologetic about this. The foreign companies are bringing jobs to the South, while the Detroit companies are just taking our tax dollars while subsidizing the political activities of the unions.

If the Midwest wants their jobs back, they should think about looking at what worked for the South rather than try to use Washington to tilt the playing field back in their direction.

[The Duke]

I guess the Union could still play the “Obama card”(?)

[AngelesCrestHighway]

I guess the Union could still play the “Obama card”(?)

News at eleven.....

[The Pack Knight]

It doesn’t nullify right to work, but it can go a long way to making the distinction meaningless.

[joe fonebone]

I would think that card check would be a direct violation of the 10th amendment.....this would end up in court

[TheBattman]

Unions want to do to Boeing what they did for the auto industry...

[wk4bush2004]

So, my question is, will Boeing eventually move ALL commercial aircraft production to South Carolina and just be done with the IAM, altogether?

[NavyCanDo]

“The Machinists union screwed the pooch again.....”

Every 4-years like clock work they shut down production due to an IAM strike. When Boeing was looking for location to build the 787 other than Washington, IAM said if you want to build it right and on time build it in Washington, and that they could be trusted on getting the job done. That promise didn't last long when IAM went out on strike again late last year putting the brakes once again on building airplanes, and causing a major slide in the delivery of the 787, which cost Boeing a fortune.
I would hate to see any part of Boeing move out of the State. My livelihood depends on them sticking around - but can you blame them?

[Fractal Trader]

WA ping

[wk4bush2004]

“when IAM went out on strike again late last year putting the brakes once again on building airplanes, and causing a major slide in the delivery of the 787, which cost Boeing a fortune.”

Not to mention that it caused huge delays in the delivery of other aircraft, which disrupted customers’ delivery plans and route additions/changes.

Boeing has had to take multi-billion-dollar charges on their financials due to things like this and it doesn’t look good.

[onedoug]

sc bump

[The Pack Knight]

The entire National Labor Relations Act exceeds Congress' enumerated powers and violates the 10th Amendment, but the post-1937 courts have had no problem with it.

The NLRA was repeatedly held constitutional even before Taft-Hartley, and that regime was in many ways even more onerous than what we're likely to see under card-check.

The truth is, the 10th Amendment and the doctrine of enumerated powers has been eviscerated ever since Owen Roberts' defection (under coercion by FDR) to the pro-New Deal faction of the Supreme Court in 1937. In fact, one of the very first cases after the switch upheld the NLRA, NLRB v. Jones & Laughlin Steel.

Since then, the Supreme Court has only struck down two laws for exceeding the limits of the Commerce Clause, both during the Rehnquist Court. Those were the Gun-Free School Zones Act in United States v. Lopez, and the Violence Against Women Act in United States v. Morrison. That same Court, though, upheld the application of federal drug law to purely local growing and use of medical marijuana in Gonzalez v. Raich, with Justice Scalia writing a concurrence which heavily cited the expansive New Deal cases. Only Rehnquist, Thomas, and O'Connor dissented.

The truth is, while I wholeheartedly agree that card-check is unconstitutional, I seriously doubt the Supreme Court will even hear a case on it, much less strike it down. The current court is not really much more conservative than the Rehnquist Court, and that court was only inclined (and then only with slim majorities) to strike down laws that regulated non-economic activity.

[rwa265]

Cute cartoon, but I don’t think it applies here. Homer at least recognizes when he goofs up. I don’t know if the UAW is that aware of its failures. They just blame others.

[rwa265]

D’oh! I meant Machinist’s Union.

[The Pack Knight]

Absolutely. Most unions are congenitally incapable of taking responsibility for the damage they cause to their own interests. It’s either the fault of a greedy, oppressive management or those evil anti-union Southern Republicans.

Not only are the unions the only people allowed to look out for number one, but they think everyone else has a moral obligation to selflessly look out for the unions’ interests as well.

[Cicero]

Will Obama allow this to happen? I wouldn’t count on it, since Obama and his thugs control the decisions as to who gets defense contracts.

[jpsb]

If Boeing doesn’t get the 787 flying and soon there won’t be a first production line, let alone a second.

[Last Dakotan]

But no, those morons just keep right on pushing and poking.

I can only assume they think they hold all the cards with the party they bought and paid for fully in power in Washington.

[jazusamo]

The IMA is working hard to put themselves out of a job in WA, if that second line goes to SC it’s only a matter of time and there won’t be a Boeing in WA.