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The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only Indoctrination
Evolution News & Views ^ | October 27, 2009 | Anika Smith

Posted on 10/28/2009 7:34:50 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only Indoctrination

According to an international poll released by the British Council, the majority of Americans — 60% — support teaching alternatives to evolution in the science classroom. The percentage is the same for Britons, despite the fact that both countries have been inundated with pro-Darwin media coverage in this super-mega Darwin Year.

Of course, the British media reporting this are chagrined. Britain is the birthplace of Charles Darwin and his theory of evolution, and the official-sounding British Council, the UK group behind the “Darwin Now” campaign that commissioned the Ipsos MORI poll, have spent precious resources educating the world about Darwin. Now some believe the poll shows that efforts by Darwinist organizations aren't working.

Head of the British Council’s Darwin Now program Fern Elsdon-Baker said, “Overall these results may reflect the need for a more sophisticated approach to teaching and communicating how science works as a process.”

While Darwin’s apologists might try to explain the poll numbers as an example of ignorance influencing people’s beliefs, the numbers themselves suggest a different picture.

Across the board, most respondents from the ten countries polled thought that “other perspectives on the origins of species” “such as intelligent design and creationism” should be taught in science class*. When the poll is weighted to include only those respondents who have heard of Charles Darwin and know something about his theory of evolution, the percentage supporting alternate theories increases, from 60% to 66% in Britain and 60% to 64% in the U.S.

The correlation appears again when we consider which countries have more knowledge of Darwin’s theory. The highest numbers of those in support of alternative theories in the classroom correspond to the highest numbers of those familiar with Charles Darwin — 60% in Britain, 65% in Mexico, 61% in China, 66% in Russia, and 60% in the U.S. It appears that the more people know about Darwin’s theory, the more they want to see alternatives in science class.

The basic truth is that most people want evolution to have to compete for its place of dominance in their schools. Interestingly, the U.S. was the only nation with significant knowledge of Darwin where respondents chose the option “theories about the origins of species and development of life on earth should not be taught in science lessons at all.” 14% chose that, compared with 3% in Britain.

*This takes both those who select "other perspectives" only and those who select "other perspectives" together with "evolutionary theories." It should be noted that Discovery Institute opposes efforts to mandate teaching alternative theories in the science classroom — we'd rather have the whole picture of evolution, the scientific arguments both for and against the theory, presented instead.



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To: tongass kid

Evolution is a fact. Beyond Reasonable doubt, beyound serious doubt, beyond sane, informed, intelligent doubt, beyond doubt evolution is a fact.” ~ Richard Dawkins


81 posted on 10/29/2009 8:47:23 AM PDT by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, Theres a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: count-your-change

The link you provided is not working.


82 posted on 10/29/2009 8:48:46 AM PDT by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, Theres a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: Ira_Louvin
You are presenting an Argument from personal incredulity. Just because it is something that we cannot understand is not proof that God did it.

You have perfectly stated the argument for faith in God. Think about it.

And, no, having intelligent people working over a period of thousands of years to turn wolves into chihuahuas, is not the same as turning a trilobite into a giraffe. Simply saying "it took a long time" isn't a powerful argument.

83 posted on 10/29/2009 8:48:52 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: metmom
I think the problem here is with the word species. Species is a MAN made label used for scientific classification.
A wolf and a domestic dog are both labeled as different species of the genus canis. However, they aren't different animals altogether. They are just variations of dogs. So is species to species (micro) evolution possible? Yes, a wolf can over time change into a domesticated dog. This is still consistent with reproducing after their own kind.

However, macroevolution is another problem altogether. A dog isn't going to change into a completely different kind of animal.

Just because people classify something as a different species doesn't make it a different animal. Humans are classified the same as apes all the way down to genus. This is a result of evolutionary indoctrination. All that classification does is group things that are similar together. Just because someone puts people in the same genus as an ape doesn't make us related either. IOW, taxonomy is a tool. However, we can't leave our senses behind when looking at the real world and say a wolf and a dog are different SPECIES so evolution is true. I hope this makes sense, I am sick today! LOL!

84 posted on 10/29/2009 9:04:11 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

So given that fact that the earth is 4.5 billion years old, and the fossil record what additional evidence do you need?

Denying history is not going to alter that history.

· Evidence from fossils. Based on myriad similarities and differences between living species, evolutionary biology makes predictions about the features of ancestral forms. For example, numerous features indicate that birds are derived from reptilian ancestors. By contrast, these data reject the possibility that birds were derived from other groups, such as flying insects. Scientists have discovered fossil birds with feathers and legs like modern birds, but which also have teeth, clawed digits on their forelimbs, and a tailbone like their reptilian ancestors. Fossils are especially important evidence for evolution because, with little effort, each of us can use our eyes and minds to observe and interpret the dinosaur and other ancient fossils in public museums.

DNA profiles show evolutionary relationships among species.

· Evidence from genetics. The genomes of all organisms contain overwhelming evidence for evolution. All living species share the same basic mechanism of heredity using DNA (or RNA in some viruses) to encode genes that are passed from parent to offspring, and which are transcribed and translated into proteins during each organism’s life. Using DNA sequences, biologists quantify the genetic similarities and differences among species, in order to determine which species are more closely related to one another and which are more distantly related. In doing so, biologists use essentially the same evidence and logic used to determine paternity in lawsuits. The pattern of genetic relatedness between all species indicates a branching tree that implies divergence from a common ancestor. Within this tree of life, there are also occasional reticulations where two branches fuse, rather than separate. (For example, mitochondria are organelles found in the cells of plants and animals. Mitochondria have their own genes, which are more similar to genes in bacteria than to genes on the chromosomes in the cell nucleus. Thus, one of our distant ancestors arose from a symbiosis of two different cell types.) The genetic similarity between species, which exists by virtue of evolution from the same ancestral form, is an essential fact that underlies biomedical research. This similarity allows us to begin to understand the effects of our own genes by conducting research on genes from other species. For example, genes that control the process of DNA repair in bacteria, flies, and mice have been discovered to influence certain cancers in humans. These findings also suggest strategies for intervention that can be explored in other species before testing on humans.

Evolution is evident today in how bacteria evolve to resist antibiotics.

· Evolution in action. Evolutionary change continues to this day, and it will proceed so long as life itself exists. In recent years, many bacterial pathogens have evolved resistance to antibiotics used to cure infections, thereby requiring the development of new and more costly treatments. In some frightening cases, bacteria have evolved resistance to every available antibiotic, so there is no longer any effective treatment. In the case of HIV, which causes AIDS, significant viral evolution occurs within the course of infection of a single patient, and this rapid evolution enables the virus to evade the immune system. Many agricultural pests have evolved resistance to chemicals that farmers have used for only a few decades. As we work to control diseases and pests, the responsible organisms have been evolving to escape our controls. Moreover, scientists can perform experiments to study evolution in real time, just as experiments are used to observe dynamic processes in physics, chemistry, and other branches of biology. To study evolution in action, scientists use organisms like bacteria and fruitflies that reproduce quickly, so they can see changes that require many generations.

There exists no other scientific explanation that can account for all the patterns in nature, only non-scientific explanations that require a miraculous force, like a creator. Such super-natural explanations lie outside of science, which can neither prove nor disprove miracles.

http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/lenski.html


85 posted on 10/29/2009 9:19:15 AM PDT by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, Theres a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

So how do you explain that fact that due to speciation different species can no longer interbreed?


86 posted on 10/29/2009 9:23:59 AM PDT by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, Theres a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: Rafterman; Soothesayer; Ira_Louvin

Oooh, oooh, oooh Rafterman can I please be added to your
CreatioNuts ping list - pretty please!? / s At least I’d be in good company...

Now a days I will usually only answer the evos who are respectful and show a genuine respect for truth and knowledge. You 3 (above) may think the creation camp is full of ‘retards’ and you may say (frequently) that we are the ones who are insulting but that is utter hypocrisy.

The more I research the evil lies propagated by the media the further I see those tenatacles reaching back in time.

Evolution, even microevolution, is a big fat hairy LIE!!! The best definition / description we can see for changes over time are DEVOLUTION plain and simple (it’s what causes most species extinction short of catastrophies).

Problem is, since science began trying to delve into historical science instead of just empirical the so-called ‘scientists and experts’ found the need to ignore any contrary evidence and especially anything pro-God or supernatural. Naturalism is not science when you have to throw out factual evidence to make your theories work.

The complexities encoded in DNA alone affirm a super-natural knowledge implanted in every living creature far superior to all of the computer code generated by mankind. Every living cell contains DNA, except when red-blood cells shed their nucleus. DNA contains the estimated equivalence of 3 billion coded-letter sequences of A C T & G. If recorded in books, this code would form a stack equal to the height of the Washington Monument! It has been estimated that the number of messages communicated between the brain, spinal column, and nervous system numbers into the trillions per second!!

Below is a link to a website that will help educate any/all of those who are not so close-minded to alternate viewpoints. Did you know there are over 100 natural clocks that the evos ignore so they may assume billions of years for history?

Center for Scientific Creation - In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/IntheBeginningTOC.html

BTW Rafterman it matters not how long you’ve been on FR if you only practice selective reading. Maybe you didn’t notice that this is a pro-God site? The vast majority of creationinsts’ postings are respectful - unlike yours...


87 posted on 10/29/2009 9:37:58 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: Ira_Louvin

“So how do you explain that fact that due to speciation different species can no longer interbreed?”

Reproductive isolation has caused them to LOSE the ability to interbreed.
A loss of genetic information is the exact opposite of what you need for macroevolution.


88 posted on 10/29/2009 9:46:35 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

You’re right and it did make sense. The definition of *species* is a man made construct and is so flexible and elastic as to be useless. It’s generally twisted and expanded or contracted as suits in order to *prove* that evolution occurred when all that was really observed was variation.

E. coli is still E. coli. Fruit flies are still fruit flies and recognizable as such in spite of any number of induced deformities.

Not the swine flu, I hope?


89 posted on 10/29/2009 9:49:32 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: BrandtMichaels

“Evolution, even microevolution, is a big fat hairy LIE!!! The best definition / description we can see for changes over time are DEVOLUTION plain and simple (it’s what causes most species extinction short of catastrophies).”

Microevolution is just a term. The word evolution just means change. We do see small changes within kinds of animals over time. Evolutionist skew the two terms to try to show proof of goo to you evolution.


90 posted on 10/29/2009 9:52:13 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
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To: BrandtMichaels

“Evolution, even microevolution, is a big fat hairy LIE!!! The best definition / description we can see for changes over time are DEVOLUTION plain and simple (it’s what causes most species extinction short of catastrophies).”

Microevolution is just a term. The word evolution just means change. We do see small changes within kinds of animals over time. Evolutionist skew the two terms to try to show proof of goo to you evolution.


91 posted on 10/29/2009 9:52:21 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
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To: metmom

I don’t think so. Kids have fevers. I have a cough and tight chest.


92 posted on 10/29/2009 9:53:40 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

Oops didn’t think it posted the first time.


93 posted on 10/29/2009 9:54:43 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

The distinction I was trying to make is simply that all DNA accumulates enough genetic drift over time to eliminate the entire population. Also anything longer than 100,000 years is more than enough to bring about extinction of a population. Just one more of the over 100 natural clocks pointing to a young earth.


94 posted on 10/29/2009 9:57:27 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels

I agree with your premise. I was just pointing out that the wording is all just semantics.


95 posted on 10/29/2009 10:02:33 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

What empirical evidence do you have to support this assertion?


96 posted on 10/29/2009 10:03:11 AM PDT by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, Theres a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: BrandtMichaels

What empirical evidence do you have to support this assertion?


97 posted on 10/29/2009 10:10:09 AM PDT by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, Theres a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: Ira_Louvin

works for me.


98 posted on 10/29/2009 10:13:01 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Ira_Louvin; BrandtMichaels; christianhomeschoolmommaof3

So, what’s YOUR assertion that you disagree with theirs?

Do you disagree that populations becoming isolated from each other result in genetic differences that render them incapable of interbreeding?


99 posted on 10/29/2009 10:16:18 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Ira_Louvin

I believe I’ve given you the FR link to the 100 natural clocks only a few months ago. Furthermore, I know I’ve also read about the DNA ‘devolution’ here on FR as well.

Course, you have attempted to put words in my mouth (again) and shown your utter disdain for doing simple FR searches not to mention reading, analyzing, and comprehending that which you don’t/can’t/won’t agree with...


100 posted on 10/29/2009 10:25:00 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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