Posted on 10/30/2009 6:42:03 PM PDT by nickcarraway
With Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman running neck and neck with the Democrat in Tuesday’s special election in New York, some other disaffected Republicans are seeing the third-party route as more viable.
And it could hurt the Republicans in those races.
In Virginia’s 5th district, state Sen. Robert Hurt’s entry into the GOP primary has spurred little-known candidate Bradley Rees to switch to the Virginia Conservative Party. And in Ohio, another GOP primary contender said this week that he’ll run as a Constitution Party candidate.
Both will go at the GOP nominees from their right flanks and try to expose some unhappiness in conservative ranks. They might not be as well-funded as Hoffman or be filling quite as big a vacuum as the one left by Republican Dede Scozzafava’s left-leaning politcs, but they could steal valuable votes.
Rees isn’t afraid of playing spoiler to the establishment-favorite Hurt. He even suggested his third-party candidacy could help freshman Rep. Tom Perriello (D-Va.) stay in Congress.
“It may amount to only drawing enough votes from the Republican candidate to ensure Tom Perriello a second term,” Rees told the Lynchburg News and Advance.
“If so, so be it. Maybe then the party will understand that we are trying to save the GOP from its worst enemy — not the Democrats, but themselves.”
A similar situation occurred in Rep. Mary Jo Kilroy’s (D-Ohio) district last year, when Republican Steve Stivers lost enough of the vote to conservative third-party candidates to allow Kilroy to win.
And now Stivers, who supports abortion rights, could again be ceding support to his right, in the form of Ron Paul supporter David Ryon. Ryon switched from the GOP to the Constitution Party this week.
It should be noted that Kilroy and Perriello each won by less than 1 percent in 2008, making them among the closest races in the country. In fact, both races were drawn out past Election Day because they were so close.
Those are the races where third-party candidates can make a difference.
It should be noted that neither Ryon nor Rees appears to have cited Hoffman in his announcement, so any connection to the New York race appears to be indirect. But even if they were unaware, the underlying factors that led to their decisions — and Hoffman's — could be troubling for the GOP.
The Tea Party Effect Strikes in Two Key Races for GOP
There. Fixed it.
The GOP better get its ASS in gear or we’ll be drowning in liberal BS forever.
out out damned rino!
The fact that RINO’s are being selected by party bosses in these races make them legitimate targets on that alone.
RINO Hunting Season is Now OPEN!!!
What is with these idiots? If I read this correctly, Steve Stivers was the Republican candidate, got beat out, and now is running again, and again is threatened with a third party conservative.
Steve Stivers is pro-abort, according to this article.
Will they never learn? If he loses again, will they run him a third time?
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Time to let the liberals in the GOP know the fight is on! Get out of the way and stand down or else! |
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This is AWESOME...dont kill the Party...kill the RINO
AMEN! NO BAG LIMIT!
However....the CP of NY is not a third party in the same sense as the Consti Party. The CP has the best plan: they third party when necessary, but they work with and for Republicans when they can. The Const Party has no affinity for any cooperation. They are madder at GOP’ers than the Dems.
I don’t know about the Virginia Const party, but would be curious to see which it is more like.
I’m in Ohio and have never heard of David Ryon. I’ll have to check him out because frankly, I don’t trust that just because someone says they are “conservative” or joins a Conservative or Constitution Party that they are, in fact, conservative....especially when it comes to national security/illegal immigration....Far too many so-called “conservatives” have the same position on amnesty as McCain/Bush.
I’ll up one and raise you two, WE THE PEOPLE strike in two key races for GOP. We’re sick and tired, we have the God given individual rights we allow them the priviledges to represent WE THE PEOPLE. WE ARE THIER BOSSES not the other way around, we will straight thier a##es out and then we will remove the a##es in Washington, PERIOD! We are the new Revolution!
You know, I don’t care anymore if the R party wins or loses. It’s time we started supporting Conservative candidates who are real people that stand for something and sending the elites like Gingrich, Romney, Steele, et al a message.
"Amen, bro!"
Appears? In other words this article is basically nothing more than airy speculation, without empircal foundation.
The editors of "The Hill" must have been on vacation when this article was submitted.
That's why Hoffman's impending victory should not give much boost to third party candidates in general.
>> I don’t care anymore if the R party wins or loses <<
So you don’t care if 0bambi and the Dhims have free rein to ruin the world’s greatest medical system, to create deficits so big as to drive the dollar down to parity with the Bolivian peso, and to engineer a cowardly surrender in the war against Islamic fascism?
No thanks, my FRiend, no thanks.
The OP(Formerly the GOP) is falling apart at the seams.
If it had been up to them none of us would be talking about Hoffman being able to win this thing. They didn't have a first thought or reaction to back the conservative, they followed what they thought was popular on the side they claim to be on.
We need people who are conservative first. We need people who don't have to think about what they believe and who do not change their opinions after putting a spit covered thumb in the air.
I see very few conservatives who can carry that mantle or even just a label. Mike Pence in this case was a major disappointment. Its over for Newt, "Cross dressing" Rudy might be Governor but he will never rise higher. Mike Steele was a mistake from day one.
Sure its just my opinion, but I think its shared by a very large number of conservatives.
Well, nominating “moderate” candidates and even electing “moderate” Republicans to office hasn’t really gotten us anywhere since about... ever... so at this point I’m all for limited-government small “L” libertarians and strict-constructionist constitutionalists playing the role of spoiler “from the right,” even if it means Democrats staying in power a little bit longer.
It just may be that a long time in the political wilderness is the only thing that will eventually get the GOP to finally become a true opposition party to the Democrats and their progressive socialist agenda. And then someday, when the GOP stops nominating candidates like Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Bush I, Bush II, and McCain... and starts nominating candidates like Thomas Jefferson (okay I’d settle for Grover Cleveland, Calvin Coolidge, or Ronald Reagan), then we can start voting for them again and when they finally win the Republicans might actually go about restoring the Constitution and our liberties rather than just leading us down the road to serfdom a little slower than the Democrats.
I agree, If they do not stand on Conservative principles, They’re on thin ice as far as I’m concerned. The GOP needs to be purged of liberal pretenders or the party can go the way of the Whigs. May as well vote for a democrat.
>> when they finally win the Republicans might actually go about restoring the Constitution and our liberties rather than just leading us down the road to serfdom a little slower than the Democrats <<
So we should just sit back and watch with evident approval while the Dhimms proceed merrily to ruin our healthcare system, to ruin the economy, to ruin our military and then surrender to the Jihadis?
I have the impression you want us to take satisfaction in all this ruin, even to encourage it, just because the process will teach the GOP some kind of lesson?
No thanks, my FRiend. I think the attitude just described is downright childish. Moreover, it’s basically unworthy for somebody who I’m sure loves his country and appreciates all the blessings it continues to give us.
Not only dump as many RINO’s as we can but make sure some of these johnny-come-lately, follow the crowd, go along get along “conservatives” are not made the leaders.
It is going to come to a 2nd revolution, who knows the time frame. Today the people will not revolt over government run health care. They won't revolt over government run auto or banks. They are going to have to be made really mad, American revolution mad, before anything of consequence really changes in the leftward course of this nation.
I hate being the pessimist. But the truth to me is self evident.
Note that I'm not talking about such case as Specter v. Toomey here, but between Toomey and somebody else who might claim to be more 'conservative.'
Can the RINOs extract themselves from the trench warfare being waged against them? Do RINOs know what a trench looks like? Do they own a trench tool? Do they know what a tool is?
Stay tuned as we explore the question: Can RINOs pick up a turd from the clean end?
We tried yhour plan with all thopse arguments with McCain and look where it got us. No thanks, my FRiend.
“No thanks, my FRiend. I think the attitude just described is downright childish. Moreover, it’s basically unworthy for somebody who I’m sure loves his country and appreciates all the blessings it continues to give us.”
Nope, I don’t see it as surrender, I see it as taking a step or two backward as the necessary sacrifices to make in order that we may pave the way for taking more substantive steps in the future toward the restoration of American freedom and the Constitution. And it’s definitely not about “punishing the RINOs, moderates, and/or GOP establishment” just to make us feel better out of some “childish” sense of justice. A more accurate analogy for what I’m calling for would be a major league baseball team calling up its star prospects from the minor leagues to finish the last month or two of the season on the major league squad (after they’ve come the realization that the pennant is unattainable this season), knowing that the experience those youngsters get now - even if the team loses a few more games right now than they would have with aging veterans in the starting lineup - is paving the way for a run to the pennant next season.
Unfortunately, we’ve been trying to make the “vote for the lesser of two evils” strategy works since the 1930s and it has gotten us absolutely nowhere... because the GOP as it exists and has existed - especially at the national level - just isn’t interested in being a real opposition to the progressive socialist movement that has dominated our country for the last century. This strategy which has gotten us nowhere... it seems like insanity to keep and keep and keep employing this same strategy and expect to get results any different than what we’ve got so far. Heck, even during the Reagan years - the high point of modern conservatism - we weren’t actually moving the ball forward... we were just keeping the seats warm for the progressives so that when they did win everything back they could pick pretty much right back up where they left off.
WHOA! This hits close to home on a couple different levels.
First, this is my district.
Second, I believe David Ryon one of us—a FReeper who deserves our support!
Having seen this whole situation from up-close, I can confirm that (a) MJ Kilory is an insanely left-wing nutbag who is way too liberal for this district, and (b) Steve Stivers is more of the same old Ohio RINO crap; a linguine-spined nobody who wants to "get along" with liberals!
I urge folks to go out, spread the word & support DAVE RYON for OH-15 next spring.
And yeah, since I'm hitting up the Ohio Ping List for this one, here's a nice little version of our fancy logo/State Seal...
That's why Hoffman's impending victory should not give much boost to third party candidates in general."
Exactly, TChad. It's most important for people to understand this distinction.
Furthermore, Scozzafava is completely unacceptable as a GOP candidate, and should be running as a democrat. Other races aren't nearly as clear cut. Conservatives should stick with the Republican Party. We cannot afford to split conservatives, Republicans and our votes. We must all stay together to defeat the democrats and the socialism they want to impose.
Aside from the article’s claims about Stivers, do you have any sources for his positions? I couldn’t find much on his candidacy page or on Google. Agreed that Kilroy needs to go, though.
The GOP doesn’t own the right to run against Democrats.
That simple fact can change the nation.
Sounds like the rats have found a winning strategery - - throw faux “conservatives” into every race where the GOP has put up a “moderate” wimp and let things take care of themselves. Shame on the GOP for letting this happen.
And shame on the GOP for not funding some looney toons in races where the rat isn’t looney enough for the Democrat scumbags.
Just remember Ryon was a Paul supporter, so he’s likely to be very, very bad on national security. Paul ran to the left of Obama on many national security issues.
Absolutely.
Rush talks about third parties and Hoffman/Scozzafava starting at about 3:20:
http://www.mofopolitics.com/2009/10/27/video-rush-limbaugh-on-hoffman-scozzafava-ny-23/
Is there some reason Ryon can’t run against Strivers in the Republican primary?
““It may amount to only drawing enough votes from the Republican candidate to ensure Tom Perriello a second term,” Rees told the Lynchburg News and Advance.
“If so, so be it. Maybe then the party will understand that we are trying to save the GOP from its worst enemy — not the Democrats, but themselves.”
Stupid move. Kill the patient in order to save it. A perfect description of the word myopic.
That would be my preference.........
I do not know of this Ryan people you mentioned but will no look into him....
http://www.bobmcdonnell.com/ for Governor
http://www.billbolling.com/ for Lieutenant Governor
http://www.cuccinelli.com/ for Attorney General
Down to the final days. It’s get out the vote time.
Only thing I could find is that Ryon ran against MY congressman, Pat Tiberi last go round and lost. I’m happy with Tiberi and don’t even remember Ryon. So, now it would seem Ryon moved into Kilroy’s district. Other than that, I don’t know enough to say I’d support him in any district.
His three oldest children (12, 13, and 15 years old) still live in the 15th congressional district with their mom. They are enrolled in the Hilliard School district.
David Ryon is currently a stay at home Dad. David and his wife Julie have been married for just over 2 years. Their daughter Kaylee is 15 months old.
David Ryon left the Republican Party because the National Republican Party Chairman Michael Steele ok’ed pro-abortion Republican candidates. Steele made this comment while visiting the 15th congressional district. David Ryon is running in the 15th congressional district to make sure there is a pro-life candidate in the election and supports paleo-conservative values.
Stivers is the one trying to play both sides. He claims his voting record is 100 percent pro-life but personally he is ok with 1st trimester, rape and incest abortions. We wonder why Stivers doesn't list his positions on the issues on his web site?
Goto www.RyonforCongress.com where David Ryon posts his positions.
Thanks and thanks for the link...I’ll certainly go check him out.
Q: If a candidate is allowed to run to represent any district in the State in which they live, how do they determine/choose which district and who it is they are going to run against? Or am I not clear on this?
Here are Ryon’s positions, as listed on his website, as I agree or disagree:
Agree OR Maybe:
1. Roll back spending in order to start paying off our $10+ Trillion dollar debt, abolish the Federal Reserve, and restore the gold standard.
2. Repeal the 16th Amendment (Federal Income Tax).
3. Balance our Budget by ending deficit spending with a Balanced Budget Amendment.
4. Right-size our federal government by getting rid of the Department of Energy, IRS, and Department of Homeland Security.
5. Create tax deductions for health care costs.
6. Create tax credits for education costs for those who attend public institutions, private institutions or home-schooled.
9[A]. Defend the lives of the unborn
10. Guard our 2nd Amendment rights from legislation that would diminish the ability to keep and bear arms.
11. Protect our national sovereignty by protecting our borders.
12. Vote against a National ID Card and against the formation of a North American Union and vote for strengthen individual States rights.
13. Advocate the Republic that our Constitution created and not a Social-Welfare Empire.
14. Stop career politicians by supporting term limits in the form of a 12 year restriction. No person shall serve more than 12 years total between the House of Representatives, United States Senate, and/or President of the United States.
DISAGREE:
7. Bring our troops home immediately.
8. Support a non-interventionist Foreign Policy.
9[B]and abolish the federal death penalty.
15. The one addition to government I would support is the creation of the Department of Peace and Non-Violence as a cabinet-level department of the executive branch as proposed by our founding father Benjamin Rush.
MISSING:
Interesting to me that border security and NAU are mentioned, yet a position on illegal immigration/amnesty is not...what to do specifically and clearly with the tens of millions of illegal aliens in our country, of which it seems like tens of thousands are residing in Columbus (Ryon’s district would be LOADED with them)...eating up, ILLEGALLY, our resources...and, a position on “birthright citizenship”...something which, in my opinion, is a bigger draw to this country than jobs, because it affords LEGAL benefits.
I think we would all be shocked if we were to see published the amount of Fed., State, & Local benefits going LEGALLY to the category “immigrants”, but being paid out solely due to birthright citizenships.
The issue of illegal immigration/amnesty, more than any other, is most important to me and the one most politicians purposefully ride the fence or cave on. It has great national security implications and without national security, ALL other issues are moot.
David Ryon is quoted in the This Week News on illegal immigration:
Ryon said, “Illegal immigrants, if caught, should be sent back to their country of origin and required to go through the legal immigration and naturalization process. I realize that the majority of Americans can trace their roots back to legal immigrants, but the key word is legal. I myself have family that came from Germany, France, England and Ireland, but we should not reward those who broke the law with a fast track to citizenship or amnesty.”
As for her appearance, well...sounds like more evidence in support of Rush's Undeniable Truth #24 ;-)
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