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During Baltimore assembly, bishops to consider revised directives on withdrawal of food, water
Catholic News Service ^ | 10/30/09 | Nancy Frazier OĺBrien

Posted on 10/31/2009 4:31:41 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
This is Mikey Schiavo all over again.

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Eluana Englaro's Father Now Making Waves as a Euthanasia Activist

ROME, November 24, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The father of Eluana Englaro (known in the press as "Italy's Terri Shiavo"), Beppino Englaro, is making a name for himself as a euthanasia activist, and is continuing to claim justification for his successful decade-long court battle to have his daughter's food and hydration removed last year. 

At the same time, according to a report commissioned by the prosecutor of Udine, the town in which she died, Eluana was in an "irreversible coma" at the time of her death.

Eluana Englaro was an Italian woman from Lecco in northern Italy, who was diagnosed as being in a "persistent vegetative state" after a car accident in 1992. The Udine report by neurologists Fabrizio Tagliavini and Raffaele de Caro said she had suffered "irreversible neuropathological damage."

The 330 page study said, "The situation of the brain was consistent with persistent vegetative state."

Italian law allows a patient to refuse medical treatment, but, as yet, the delivery of food and water by feeding tube is not defined as such. The prosecutor of Udine is considering whether Englaro and the physicians who allowed her death can be charged with homicide under the current law. 

All of Italy was in an uproar late last year when the Court of Cassation in Rome agreed to allow the removal of Eluana's food and hydration tube, the only form of "life support" she was receiving. Eluana died three days after the tube was removed.

"They wanted to make me a scapegoat, and I was charged with homicide, aggravated further because I was the father of Eluana," said Beppino Englaro. "But I did nothing but act with due respect for legality and transparency."

"What the case has proved is that we live under the rule of law, and that ordinary citizens can trust the judiciary to defend their rights and freedoms. In front of anybody."

Since his daughter's death, Beppino Englaro has become an activist for the legalization of euthanasia in Italy, promoting his book "Life Without Limits," that calls for a change in the law. In his book, Englaro has presented his daughter's death as a symbol of the struggle for the "right to self-determination."

"I can only continue to fight for a law that respects the person ... the right to decide for their own body," Englaro wrote.

Englaro, now the head of an association dedicated to the cause of legalized euthanasia in his daughter's name, spoke in Cagliari on Saturday at a seminar on living wills and the "Freedom to Choose" organized by the local chapter of the Union of Atheists and Agnostics and Rationalists.

"The problem is respect for and protection of rights," he said.

"Nobody, not even those who represent us in Parliament, can substitute our will. These are decisions to be made, not for me but with me. Any other way of legislation is unconstitutional," he said.

However, anti-euthanasia activists have recently highlighted the much-publicized case of the British man, Rom Houben, who was misdiagnosed for 23 years as being in a coma-like state. That Houben was actually completely conscious but unable to respond challenges "the pro-euthanasia mentality which exists regarding severely incapacitated patients," said Janet Thomas of the campaign group No Less Human.

Thomas, who had championed Eluana's right to life despite being in a coma, said, "This case highlights the huge dangers in assessing profoundly disabled people as having lives not worth living."

But others have said that the condition of the patient, whether conscious or not, is in fact immaterial in the debate. Monsignore Ignacio Barreiro, the head of the Rome office of Human Life International, and a key figure in the fight to save Eluana, told LifeSiteNews.com that the condition of the person can never "warrant the termination of a human life."

"Whatever condition that Eluana Englaro might have suffered, that never grants the right to terminate her life. It's as simple as that."

Msgr. Barreiro said that he had opposed the argument that because Terri Schiavo had some limited consciousness she should not be dehydrated to death.

"That is immaterial," he said. "It doesn't change the issue. Even if she had an absolute type of coma that was totally irreversible, that there was medically no way, no hope, nevertheless, that gives the right to no one the right to terminate the life of that person."

"We will not be silent.
We are your bad conscience.
The White Rose will give you no rest."

51 posted on 11/24/2009 4:21:45 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Thanks for the ping!


52 posted on 11/24/2009 10:16:16 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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Everyone should take a look at the Manhattan Declaration.

Thread by MNDude.

Sign the Manhattan Declaration

We are Orthodox, Catholic, and evangelical Christians who have united at this hour to reaffirm fundamental truths about justice and the common good, and to call upon our fellow citizens, believers and non-believers alike, to join us in defending them. These truths are:

1.the sanctity of human life 2.the dignity of marriage as the conjugal union of husband and wife 3.the rights of conscience and religious liberty. Inasmuch as these truths are foundational to human dignity and the well-being of society, they are inviolable and non-negotiable. Because they are increasingly under assault from powerful forces in our culture, we are compelled today to speak out forcefully in their defense, and to commit ourselves to honoring them fully no matter what pressures are brought upon us and our institutions to abandon or compromise them. We make this commitment not as partisans of any political group but as followers of Jesus Christ, the crucified and risen Lord, who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

(Excerpt) Read more at manhattandeclaration.org ...


53 posted on 11/25/2009 5:40:38 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Klan Barrenhood doesn't believe we can truly be thankful until more babies are killed.

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Planned Parenthood Thanksgiving Dinner Conversation Guide: Promote Abortion

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- When Americans gather around their dinner tables with friends and family tomorrow to celebrate Thanksgiving, they will catch up on the latest family chatter and probably talk about sports and the weather. But, Planned Parenthood's president has a suggestion for those who need a topic for discussion.

In an email today to supporters of the abortion business, Planned Parenthood president Cecile Richards unveiled her own Thanksgiving dinner conversation guide.

"I don't know how things are at your Thanksgiving table, but in my house we don't just make small talk," she writes, saying she is "committed to having real conversations" that invariably turn to abortion. It is Thanksgiving "conversations like these that help" promote her pro-abortion agenda, she says, suggesting that abortion advocates follow her lead.

"If your family is anything like mine, you'll want to be prepared to converse thoughtfully. Here's some help — a guide to dinner table conversation," Richards says.

Richards links to a Planned Parenthood web page urging members to help their family "avoid dirty politics by sticking to these points. If 'turkey talk' turns to health care reform, stand ready -- we've got you covered."

The page lists several talking points on the topic of abortion funding in health care that covers the Stupak amendment added to the House government-run bill to remove abortion funding and the phony Capps amendment Harry Reid put in the Senate bill to include massive abortion funding in it.

"If Uncle Bill wants to debate, here are a few points he will have a tough time responding to: Stupak amounts to nothing less than an unacceptable 'middle-class abortion ban,'" Planned Parenthood advises saying. "If this bill becomes law, millions of middle class women will be prohibited from buying, through the exchange, private insurance that covers abortion, a legal medical procedure."

The Planned Parenthood page urges activists to tell their family that some members of the House who supported the Stupak amendment are experiencing "buyer's remorse" and that "President Obama has indicated the Stupak goes too far."

"Members of Congress have been saying in public interviews that they didn't realize the impact of Stupak before they voted for this proposal. Now that they have come to fully appreciate the impact of the Stupak ban, they are indicating that Stupak went to far," it continues.

The Thanksgiving dinner conversation suggestion page urges activists to tell their family that health care reform "must include abortion" and that "Planned Parenthood must be part of the Exchange."

Richards says the conversation guide is great for responding to occasions where "Aunt Gladys asks you questions," but given polls showing most Americans oppose being forced to pay for abortions under their health care plan, Richards's suggestions for answer may give Americans an upset stomach.


54 posted on 11/25/2009 5:44:30 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Breakthroughs terrify the death mongers.

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Euthanasia Backers Discount Rom Houben, Man Who Spoke After False "Coma"

Brussels, Belgium (LifeNews.com) -- No sooner did Rom Houben make international headlines than skeptics and euthanasia advocates attempt to discredit the story of a man who says he was falsely tagged as being in a coma for 23 years. Houben has been embraced by those who say physicians are too quick to label patients as in a vegetative state.

As LifeNews.com noted, Houben shared his story this week of how he is now able to talk with the world now that a scientists retested him, found his brain to be functioning normally, and provided him with therapy allowing him to communicate.

However, euthanasia proponents are attempting to discredit the story.

The Huffington Post’s resident utilitarian bioethicist, Jacob Appel, contends that Houben can't really be communicating and suggests a test to smoke out the supposed chicanery.

"I confess that I am still highly suspicious of the details of this alleged medical miracle–and particularly of the messages that Houben purportedly types with the help of his aide," he writes.

He wants to know whether "his story is authentic, a matter of wishful thinking, or even a cruel and manipulative hoax" and, until that time, "the media and the public should retain a healthy skepticism."

Apparently, that has been done.

The Associated Press indicates the team of British neurological expert Dr. Steven Laureys showed Houben an object while his aide was not present and he was able to write it down correctly.

“So all that has been checked and confirmed, so we are sure it is him who is talking,” Prof. Audren Vandaudenhuyse, a colleague of Laureys, told AP.

Houben’s mother, Fina, told the AP her son has been communicating with him for three years.

“At first he had to push with his foot on a sort of computer mouse which only had a yes-no side,” she said in a telephone interview. “Slowly he got better and developed through a language computer and now communicates with this speech therapist holding his hand.”

Also, Dr. James Bernat of Dartmouth Medical School called Laureys “a very rigorous scientist and physician" who is "one of the world’s leaders” in the field of brain imaging in people with consciousness disorders.

American bioethicist Wesley J. Smith responded to the charges from the euthanasia backers and skeptics.

Although he believes skepticism is warranted in some cases, "there comes a time when skepticism becomes something else, an ideological tool to keep society from drawing ethical conclusions that the skeptic might oppose."

"I think we have reached that point in the Rom Houben case," he said and alleged that Appel "worries that the Houben good news might prevent similar patients from being dehydrated or euthanized."

"The Hougens case unquestionably gets in the way of the utilitarian agenda to rid us of burdensome cognitively and neurologically disabled people and/or to gain a license to use them as natural resources in organ harvesting or experimentation," he said.

"But Houben rehumanizes a subset of patients–the unconscious and those apparently so–who have been denigrated and marginalized for many years by the dehydration crowd. I think his story just might cause enough pause to keep us from writing these people off, and in the process, save some lives," he added.


55 posted on 11/25/2009 5:46:54 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Above everything, this must be stopped.

Thread by me.

Beware: Senate Bill Threaten Seniors, Disabled With Health Care Rationing

The U.S. Senate is poised to begin debate on the 2,074-page health care bill, crafted by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nv.), when senators return to Washington next week.

In a release last week, the National Right to Life Committee (NRLC), the federation of right-to-life organizations in all 50 states, noted that Senator Reid's bill would authorize the federal government to pay for any and all abortions through a huge federal health insurance program, and also to subsidize purchase of private plans that cover abortion on demand.

Further analysis finds that the Reid bill, like the House bill approved earlier this month, puts the lives of older Americans and persons with disabilities at great risk.

LIMITS ON SENIOR CITIZENS' CHOICE TO SPEND THEIR OWN MONEY TO ENSURE ACCESS TO LIFESAVING CARE

Under current law, Medicare recipients have the legal option, if they choose, of adding their own money on top of the government contribution in order to obtain "private fee-for-service" Medicare Advantage plans that can use the additional premiums to avoid "managed care" limitations on treatments and tests and to ensure access by paying providers market rates. Presently, the Medicare statute prevents the government from second-guessing or imposing limits on the premiums for private fee-for-service plans, allowing beneficiaries to balance cost, benefit, and affordability in making their own decisions whether to purchase such plans.

However, Section 3209, on page 920, amends that provision so as to empower the federal government to exclude from competing in Medicare Advantage those plans whose bids it does not like. The consequence is to give the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) the discretion to deny older Americans the choice of plans whose premiums CMS disallows. This amounts to the imposition of price controls, thus limiting what older Americans are permitted to spend for health insurance. Again, being prohibited from paying what may be needed to obtain unrationed health insurance amounts to government-imposed health care rationing.

The provision duplicates the little-noticed section 1175 of the bill passed by the House of Representatives. Neither provision was in bills reported by the committees of either chamber; at the last minute, both were slipped into the versions sent to the floor for action.

The fundamental question is whether seniors will be prevented from using their own money, if they wish, to gain access to insurance that will not ration medical treatment. The significant cuts that the Senate and House health care bills make in Medicare increase the importance of protecting the right of older Americans, if they choose, to use their own money to save their own lives. It is critical that seniors retain this right which would be eliminated by the Reid bill as introduced.

LIMITING THE ABILITY OF CITIZENS TO SPEND THEIR OWN MONEY TO OBTAIN UNRATIONED CARE IN THE HEALTH CARE EXCHANGES

Also, for those eligible to participate in the insurance exchange Sen. Reid=s bill limits their right to spend their own money to save their own lives. Beginning on page 37, Section 1003 empowers the State Exchange Commissioner to exclude from the exchange plans offered by health insurance issuers whom the State Commissioner considers have a pattern of Aexcessive or unjustified premium increases.

It is noteworthy that this provision will even have a chilling effect on health plans offered outside the exchange, since insurers will be fearful that if they fully meet the demand for health insurance by employers and others, it may be held against them so as to keep them out of the exchange. While the exchanges are to begin by serving individuals and small businesses, ultimately they are intended to cover even the largest employers, so the possibility of exclusion from so large a market is likely to be a significant deterrent.

This parallels a similar provision inserted in the House bill when it went to the floor, Section 104.

This essentially grants government bureaucrats the discretion to limit what people are allowed to pay for health insurance. Being prohibited from paying what may be needed to obtain unrationed health insurance amounts to government-imposed health care rationing.

PUSHING REJECTION OF TREATMENT TO SAVE MONEY -- RENAMING "ADVANCE CARE PLANNING" AS "SHARED DECISIONMAKING"

The Reid Bill contains a section titled "Shared Decisionmaking." The Reid bill does not include provisions paralleling those in the House bill designed to create incentives for Aadvance care planning.

But Section 936, beginning on page 1106, provides funding to develop and disseminate "patient decision aids" which are to include "relative cost of treatment or, where appropriate, palliative care options" and to "educate providers on the use of such materials, including through academic curricula" (p. 1110).

Money is to be awarded to establish AShared Decisionmaking Resource Centers . . . to provide technical assistance to providers and to develop and disseminate best practices . . . (p. 1112).The concern with this section is the same as that with the promotion of advance care planning. Given the strong views many in the medical community have about poor quality of life and the considerable emphasis on saving costs (along with the Reid bills defective process for selecting the materials the patients receive), the danger is great these measures will in fact subtly or otherwise "nudge" patients in the direction of rejecting life-saving treatment to save costs.

INDEPENDENT MEDICARE ADVISORY BOARD MUST DRIVE MEDICARE REIMBURSEMENT BELOW THE RATE OF MEDICAL INFLATION

In Section 3403, beginning on page 1000, the Reid bill provides for an "Independent Medicare Advisory Board," given the task of ensuring senior's Medicare meets budget goals that will tighten each year. For fiscal years 2015 through 2019, the bill sets a target rate of growth for Medicare midway between medical inflation and average inflation; for subsequent years the target is the growth in Gross Domestic Product per capita plus 1%.To the extent the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services projects that Medicare growth rates would exceed these targets, the Board would have to act to reduce the gap by specified percentages varying by year. This gap-reducing would likely come through reductions in payments to health care providers, leading those providers to skimp on care or leave the Medicare program altogether.

The recommendations of the Board would automatically go into effect unless Congress, through an expedited procedure, adopted another means resulting in the same reductions; to waive this would require a 3/5 vote.

Further details and documentation can be found at:
http://www.nrlc.org/healthcarerationing/reidsubstitute.html


56 posted on 11/25/2009 5:49:53 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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So if they don’t help the elderly, or the very sick or disabled at any age, what good is this govt. insurance?


57 posted on 11/25/2009 7:55:01 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: wagglebee

Thanks for the ping!


58 posted on 11/25/2009 9:56:01 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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Interesting thread on eugenics.

Thread by Schnucki.

How eugenics poisoned the welfare state

A century ago many leading leftists subscribed to the vile pseudo-science of eugenics, writes Dennis Sewell, and the influence of that thinking can still be seen today

We live in a country where the poorest members of society are literally trapped. We pay them millions not to work, simply maintaining them at subsistence level like prisoners of the state. Tied up with bureaucratic regulations and subject to crazy marginal rates of tax, there are few chances to escape for Britain’s welfare-dependent. A million of those out of work have been jobless for a decade or more. They see their chances of getting a job in the future as so remote as to be barely worth considering. The chances of their children ever finding work are beginning to look slim too. The neighbourhoods in which they live are falling apart. The squalor is palpable; crime rampant; local schools are very often failing or ‘sink’ schools. If you think I’m exaggerating, choose any area with a high level of welfare-dependency and go and look for yourself.

So what went wrong with a welfare state that was supposed to make ‘ignorance, squalor and want’ things of the past, and guarantee greater social integration? Or have we simply misunderstood what that project was really about? . . .


59 posted on 11/28/2009 4:45:13 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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I've posted two threads on the miraculous breakthrough of Ron Houben and how it ties into Terri's case.

Humans are never vegetables

If Rom Houben's case proves anything, it is the arrogance of those who think they can pronounce upon the state of a patient's consciousness, and determine his subsequent fate--when humility should force them to admit they cannot possibly know what that patient may be experiencing.

Houben is the Belgian man who spent 23 years misdiagnosed as being in a persistent vegetative state when he was actually conscious and suffering from locked-in syndrome as the result of an auto accident. Locked-in syndrome means the individual is paralyzed, but retains full consciousness.

The misdiagnosis was discovered thanks to state-of-the-art brain scanning technology which neurologist Steven Laureys at Liege University Hospital used to discover that Houben still had activity in his cerebral cortex.

One has to wonder how many other patients through the years have been wrongly diagnosed as being in a coma or cruelly labeled "vegetables"-- a term which should be banished from the language as a reference point for discussing human beings.

Terri Schiavo's case comes to mind. Doctors argued for years over the level of consciousness they thought the Florida woman was capable of -- and their conclusions varied, whether they sided with Schiavo's husband, Michael, who wanted her feeding tube pulled so she would die or whether they sided with Schiavo's parents, who insisted she was conscious, recognized them and expressed emotions, including joy. Schiavo had suffered brain damage in 1990 after cardiac arrest, and she died in 2005, almost two weeks after her feeding tube was removed -- forcing her to undergo a slow death by starvation and dehydration.

Bobby Schindler, Schiavo's brother and executive director of the Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation, commenting on Houben's case, told ABCNews.com:"We are learning how unscientific the diagnosis is. It's completely subjective and we are using it to sentence people to death, and it's dangerous."

It is indeed dangerous. Had that gross misnomer "the right to die" been at issue in Houben's case, this fully conscious man would have had to undergo the agony of people debating whether he should be allowed to live, and he could have faced the agony of knowing he was being starved to death, unable to communicate with anyone to let them know there was indeed a fully aware person inside his paralyzed body. Particularly poignant was Houben's description, via a special keyboard and computer, of how he tried to alert his caregivers to his conscious state: "I screamed, but there was nothing to hear."

He characterized the day the misdiagnosis was revealed as a rebirth for him: "I especially felt relief. Finally to be able to show that I was indeed there."

The lesson from Houben's case--and reinforced, sadly, too late by Schiavo's case-- is that if doctors and courts must err, it should always be on the side of life, and on the assumption that despite all outward appearances, the "I" is "indeed there."

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Belgian Case Reignites 'Brain Dead' Debate as Catholics Order Force Feedings

The family of Terri Schiavo, the Florida woman who was artificially kept alive for 15 years, say they feel both heartbreak and vindication over the news this week that a Belgian man thought to be in a persistent vegetative state (PVS) was fully conscious for two decades.

Schiavo, who had been diagnosed with a profound brain injury, was at the center of a seven-year legal tug-of-war that involved Congress, the U.S. Supreme Court and even President George W. Bush before a judge granted her husband the right to allow her to die in 2005.

In a strikingly similar case this week, Belgian doctors revealed that Ron Houbens -- thought to have no brain activity since a 1983 car crash -- had actually been paralyzed and was fully conscious, able to hear everything around him but not respond.

With the news that patients can be mentally "locked in" -- unable to breathe or eat on their own or communicate, yet fully aware cognitively --- some religious and ethical groups are saying, "I told you so."

And now the Catholic Church has weighed in, ordering doctors at its hospitals to ignore patients' advanced directives indicating they do not want artificial feeding if they are diagnosed as permanently unconscious.

"This is why we created our foundation, for stories like this man," said Bobby Schindler, executive director of the Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation.

"Tens of thousands of people with cognitive injuries like these are using PVS to diagnose and kill," he told ABCNews.com. "We are learning how unscientific the diagnosis is. It's completely subjective and we are using it to sentence people to death and it's dangerous." . . .

"We will not be silent.
We are your bad conscience.
The White Rose will give you no rest."

60 posted on 11/28/2009 4:51:35 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Thanks for the ping!


61 posted on 11/28/2009 9:07:45 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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Still freepers who don’t know FR is pro-life. Pretty tasteless and wrong, aren’t they?


62 posted on 12/01/2009 10:09:38 AM PST by floriduh voter (Marco Rubio 4 Fla Senate NOT: Smith-carpetbagger,Dockery-Terri killer, Crist-RINO)
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I attack them whenever they spring up, but they keep reappearing!


63 posted on 12/01/2009 10:10:45 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; seekthetruth; BykrBayb; Lesforlife
FLORIDIANS, IF YOU ARE PRO-LIFE, DO NOT GET SUCKED IN BY THE PAUL DOCKERY MACHINE FOR GOVERNOR.

Confirmation that PAULA DOCKERY, who is running for Fla Governor as a "pro-life" republican, voted with the deceased Jim King back in 2005 in exchange for rail thru Lakeland that has now fallen through. Terri may be dead over some railroad tracks. Terri's father is deceased now too. That's 1. Terri-killed 2. Jim King - cancer last year 3. Bob Schindler, Sr. (cardiac arrest) this year

Thanks for nothing, Paula, fake pro-lifer (like CRIST) and you didn't get your rail either.

Campaigning for Paula Dockery at Free Republic would not be such a great idea since this is a pro-life web site.

Here's just one link: http://www.righttrackflorida.org/news/articles/how-sunrail-failed-gripes-grudges-and-paula-dockerys-gift-to-senators

64 posted on 12/02/2009 5:51:42 PM PST by floriduh voter (Marco Rubio 4 Fla Senate NOT: Smith-carpetbagger,Dockery-Terri killer, Crist-RINO)
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To: EternalVigilance
http://www.righttrackflorida.org/news/articles/how-sunrail-failed-gripes-grudges-and-paula-dockerys-gift-to-senators If you know any Floridians, they should know that Paula Dockery voted against Terri in 2005 which is why Terri's deceased. It looks like it was about a rail line through Lakeland, FL in exchange for murdering Terri.

Paula D. wants to be Fla's next governor. We already have a useless rino governor. Thanks, FV

65 posted on 12/02/2009 5:55:47 PM PST by floriduh voter (Marco Rubio 4 Fla Senate NOT: Smith-carpetbagger,Dockery-Terri killer, Crist-RINO)
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To: floriduh voter

http://www.righttrackflorida.org/news/articles/how-sunrail-failed-gripes-grudges-and-paula-dockerys-gift-to-senators


66 posted on 12/02/2009 5:56:21 PM PST by floriduh voter (Marco Rubio 4 Fla Senate NOT: Smith-carpetbagger,Dockery-Terri killer, Crist-RINO)
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The "Schiavo Nine" become the Ultrasound Seven

The Republican state senators who banded together in 2005 to help defeat legislation in the Terri Schiavo affair largely stuck together Wednesday in voting down an ultrasound abortion measure on a 20-20 vote that they said was too much government.

Of the Schiavo Nine, only Sen. J.D. Alexander of Lake Wales voted for the legislation. Sen. Nancy Argenziano is gone. The rest of the Schiavo Nine: Lisa Carlton of Osprey; Mike Bennett of Bradenton; Paula Dockery of Lakeland; Evelyn Lynn of Ormond Beach; Sen. Dennis Jones, R-Seminole; Sen. Jim King, R-Jacksonville; and Burt Saunders, R-Naples.

The reward for the Schiavo vote: An Old-West style flier activists circulated that said "Wanted the Republican 9." As then, the de facto leader was former Senate President King as we told you about here.

Other votes of note: Sen. Gary Siplin or Orlando was the only D in favor. Sen. Mandy Dawson actually made it for a vote. And Sen. Jeff Atwater of North Palm Beach voted yes, despite much chatter that he couldn't afford a hardline conservative vote while running for re-election in his D-leaning district.

67 posted on 12/02/2009 5:57:11 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ ├×)
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To: wagglebee

Remember we knew that someday we’d start to find out why people (Republicans) voted to kill Terri. It is trickling out. We may not find out everyone’s motive but isn’t the promise of a railroad track for Paula Dockery worth the sacrifice of a useless eater?


68 posted on 12/02/2009 5:58:17 PM PST by floriduh voter (Marco Rubio 4 Fla Senate NOT: Smith-carpetbagger,Dockery-Terri killer, Crist-RINO)
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To: floriduh voter

I think the story I just posted was from April 2008.


69 posted on 12/02/2009 5:59:18 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ ├×)
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To: BykrBayb

Ultrasound Seven wouldn’t visit Terri to see how very much alive she was - especially when she found out they were going to kill her and she screamed for her life on 3-18-05.


70 posted on 12/02/2009 5:59:57 PM PST by floriduh voter (Marco Rubio 4 Fla Senate NOT: Smith-carpetbagger,Dockery-Terri killer, Crist-RINO)
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To: BykrBayb

Nancy A. is the head of the Public Service Commission. She sucks at that too. She got her feelings hurt when her office got calls that she was a murderer. Well, if the shoe fits, ladies... imagine these high heeled dames voting to kill an innocent human being.


71 posted on 12/02/2009 6:02:17 PM PST by floriduh voter (Marco Rubio 4 Fla Senate NOT: Smith-carpetbagger,Dockery-Terri killer, Crist-RINO)
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To: BykrBayb
Well, Paula Dockery may become controversial because the media's pulling for Alex Sink for Governor (D). There's Bill McCollum (R), Dockery-covert euthanazi and Alex Sink-dem.

How ironic that Terri got what they got at Auschwitz. Auschwitz victims were taken there by rail. Dockery voted against Terri for rail.

72 posted on 12/02/2009 6:17:53 PM PST by floriduh voter (Marco Rubio 4 Fla Senate NOT: Smith-carpetbagger,Dockery-Terri killer, Crist-RINO)
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A Very Special Thank You, on a Very Special Day – Terri’s Birthday!

December 3, 2009 (Message from Terri's Foundation)

Because of this very special day, the day of Terri’s birth, everyone at Terri’s Foundation would like to take the Not yet availableopportunity to thank all of our friends for supporting the work we are doing advocating for the value and dignity of our most vulnerable.

Today, Terri would have been 46 years of age and there is not a day that goes by that we don’t think of her. It is because of Terri’s needless and inhuman death that we established the foundation in her honor to protect others like her.

With the emails, phone calls and letters we receive on a daily basis, it is apparent to us that Terri is continuing to have an indelible impact on us all. And just as we have been doing since her untimely death, we will remain dedicated to helping all those family’s that are fighting to protect their loved ones.

Please know how much we value all of your support that you have so graciously offered these past years. As this battle to protect our most vulnerable rages on, we gain strength to continue this fight knowing that we do not stand alone, but that you are there fighting with us. 


73 posted on 12/04/2009 4:19:54 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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I have a feeling that many more will be in the same circumstances in the future.

Thread by annalex.

Send Jailed Pro-Life Heroine Linda Gibbons a Christmas Card

November 30, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Supporters of Linda Gibbons are disseminating the following information to encourage support for the Canadian pro-life sidewalk counsellor:

Linda Gibbons has been a “common criminal” for many years now.  For fifteen years, since 1994, this grandmother has been in and out of Ontario prisons. Her totally accumulated jail time is seven years.  What is her crime?  Linda prayerfully and quietly witnesses in front of Ontario abortion clinics, in violation of an unjust "bubble zone" law. 

This past session has been particularly onerous - she has been behind bars since last January, and this will be her second consecutive Christmas in jail.

Please consider sending Linda a Christmas card this year.  She will be encouraged and uplifted by your thoughtfulness. To maximize the effectiveness of this initiative, why not talk to your pastor and see if you can put this message in your church bulletin?  Why not pass this message along to family and friends?

Her address is:

Attention: Linda Gibbons
Vanier Center for Women
655 Martin Street, Box 1040,
Milton, Ontario
L9T 5E6, Canada

There are some mailing guidelines because the Detention Centre mailing department reads everything sent to the inmates:

1. Don't use stickers (address, return address, pro-life) on the envelope or card.
2. Don't send any laminated cards, bookmarks, prayer cards, pro-life pamphlets. Non-laminated items will get to her.
3. Don't ask direct questions about daily activity of the detention centre.
4. Put your address directly in the card or letter. (Sometimes the mail sorter keeps the envelope and Linda feels badly if she can't write back.)
5. If you would like to send a little monetary gift to Linda it must be a money order made out to “Linda Gibbons.” The detention centre will deposit the money directly to her account. She uses any donations for envelopes and stamps.
6. Many people add a variety of Christian reading material in their mailings to her. She often shares articles with others in the Centre. She can receive pro-life material that show the development of the baby but not post abortion photos. She can't receive books. Try to stick to one or two pages of reading materials or pamphlets.


74 posted on 12/04/2009 4:25:06 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Simply sickening.

Threads by marcbold and me.

Abortion Clinic: "We do Sacred Work"

Northland Family Planning Centers of Michigan are advertising their services with newly created videos which calls abortion "sacred work."

Sacred? Sacred is defined as "entitled to veneration or religious respect by association with divinity or divine things; holy."

The video is part of a series of videos highlighting their abortion services and states, "We believe in the goodness of our work." The spokesperson points to a sign hanging in the abortion clinic that says "We do sacred work that honors women and the circle of life and death. When you come here bring only love."

The clinic says that abortion while being a "normal experience" and sadly that is true as there have been over 45 million abortions since its legalization as the video points out. But the spokesperson goes further and says that abortion is also "a sign of strength courage and responsibility to thoughtfully consider whether or not to bring new life into the world."

The video highlights a quote from murdered late term abortionist Dr. George Tiller and showcases it against a pink backdrop with a heart behind it while a soft piano plays in the background. Tiller's quote is: Abortion is not a cerebral or reproductive issue. Abortion is a matter of the heart. For until one understands the heart of a woman, nothing else about abortion makes any sense at all. Dr. George Tiller 1941-2009

The clinic's spokesperson assures women, "We believe you are making your decision from a place of goodness" and reminds them that "Goodness is not perfection, not obedience and it is not martyrdom. There is not one way of living a good life and sometimes we have to make hard choices."

The video is below:

(Excerpt) Read more at creativeminorityreport.com ...

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Religious Leader Tells Planned Parenthood Rally Abortion a "God-Given Right"

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- During the rally yesterday sponsored by the Planned Parenthood abortion business and other leading pro-abortion groups, Rev. Carlton Veazy told the small gathering of hardcore activists that abortion is a "God-given right." Veazy is the head of the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice.

The rally was a time for abortion advocates to rally together to press for taxpayer funding of abortions and saw a small crowd of just a few hundred people -- compared to the 100,000 or more who attend the March for Life.

Veazy was the closing speaker for the Stop Stupak rally and he told the activists they had more than merely a so-called constitutional right to an abortion.

“Don't let anybody tell you that religious people don't support choice,” Veazy said, according to CNS News. “You not only have a constitutional right for abortion, but you have a God-given right.”

Veazy went as far as calling on the abortion advocates to “take on” the nation's Catholic bishops, who have pressed for removing the abortion funding from the congressional health care bills.

“We are also here to call out the U.S. Conference of [Catholic] Bishops, because no one religion, no theological perspective should get the kind of weight that they can [to] put pressure on the Congress,” he said, according to CNS.

“Hold the whole Congress up and say, ‘If we don't get our way, we will work against health reform,’” said Veazy. “We in the religious community resent that. We believe that no religion should carry that kind of weight in legislation.”

The "God-given rights" comment is already drawing guffaws across the Internet, but it comes as no shock to longtime pro-life advocates.

The Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice such denominations as the United Methodist Church, Episcopal Church, Presbyterian Church (USA) and the United Church of Christ that had promoted abortion for decades.

Veazy himself has not only sponsored letters calling for forcing taxpayers to fund abortions, but his pro-abortion position is so extreme that he criticized pro-abortion President Barack Obama for supposedly seeking common ground on abortion.

Even though Obama has crafted a staunchly pro-abortion record as president, for abortion advocates like Veazy, there can never been common ground on abortion because it should be an unfettered right.

"My experience of 13 years in the pro-choice movement is that 'common ground' has become another term for compromise on reproductive choice," he wrote in an editorial at a pro-abortion blog in May. "In other words, achieving common ground will be accomplished by diminishing the ability of women to make decisions about abortion, whatever the personal cost. That's unacceptable."

"It's unacceptable for even one woman to suffer in order for opponents of abortion to be appeased," he claimed.


75 posted on 12/04/2009 4:29:03 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Bless, her hearts, the Canadians are more cruel than the American people.


76 posted on 12/04/2009 4:35:30 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: wagglebee

Thanks for the ping!


77 posted on 12/04/2009 7:58:44 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: wagglebee
God bless the Schindler family, and all who do God's work in Terri's name.

Happy birthday Terri.


78 posted on 12/04/2009 8:05:21 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ ├×)
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To: wagglebee

Hope Terri’s dear Mother, Mary, sees how very much we all still
mourn her precious daughter!!

What a privilege to have fought for her life.

Forgive us, Lord, that we did not prevail.


79 posted on 12/04/2009 10:00:06 PM PST by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13)
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To: wagglebee

Terri’s Birthday bttt.


80 posted on 12/05/2009 4:16:15 PM PST by floriduh voter (Marco Rubio 4 Fla Senate NOT: Smith-carpetbagger,Dockery-Terri killer, Crist-RINO)
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Just when you think the abortionists can't say anything dumber.

Thread by Free ThinkerNY.

Planned Parenthood: “That’s not a baby growing inside of you” (with video)

Live Action has a new series of videos that launches today called the Rosa Acuna Project. Their new effort aims to expose manipulation by Planned Parenthood counselors intended to pressure women into having abortions, or at the very least, provide dishonest information to support false rationalizations for the procedure. In this clip from the Appleton, Wisconsin clinic, a counselor tells the woman that what’s growing inside her uterus isn’t a baby at all, or “anything like that” — and the doctor agrees:

In the undercover video, when the two women ask a Planned Parenthood counselor if the pregnant woman’s 10-week-old unborn child has a heartbeat, the counselor emphasizes “heart tones,” and answers, “Heart beat is when the fetus is active in the uterus–can survive–which is about seventeen or eighteen weeks.” On the contrary, embryologists agree that the heartbeat begins around 3 weeks. Wisconsin informed consent law requires that women receive medically accurate information before undergoing an abortion.

The counselor then says, “A fetus is what’s in the uterus right now. That is not a baby.” Dr. Polhaska, the abortion doctor, insists, “It’s not a baby at this stage or anything like that.” Polhaska also states that having an abortion will be “much safer than having a baby,” warning, “You know, women die having babies.” …

(Excerpt) Read more at hotair.com ...


81 posted on 12/12/2009 4:36:12 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Dr. Alveda King nails Reid!

Thread by me.

Martin Luther King Jr's Niece Blasts Harry Reid on Abortion Bill-Slavery Comments

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- The niece of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. is upset by the comments Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid made about opponents of the pro-abortion Senate health care bill. Reid compared opposition to the bill, which funds abortions, to the 19th-century debate over slavery.

Reid on Monday said Republicans opposed to the bill were displaying the same mindset as those who supported slavery.

“If you think you've heard these same excuses before, you're right,” Reid said. “When this country belatedly recognized the wrongs of slavery, there were those who dug in their heels and said, ‘Slow down, it’s too early, things aren't bad enough.’ ”

Reid came under heavy criticism for the remarks and, on Tuesday, he defended his comments, saying critics were "distorting" them.

"At pivotal points in American history, the tactics of distortion and delay have certainly been present," Reid said, according to The Hill. "They've certainly been used to stop progress. That's what we're talking about here."

"It's very clear. That's the point I made — no more, no less. Anyone who willingly distorts my comments is only proving my point," he added.

While republicans have struck back -- with national party chairman Michael Steele, who is black, leading the critics, Reid is hearing from another corner as well.

Alveda King, the director of African American Outreach for Priests for Life, a national Catholic pro-life group, also has something to say.

The niece of the famous civil rights leader told LifeNews.com she thought Reid's comments clearly were "comparing opponents of his health care bill to supporters of slavery."

She said it is Reid who is more closely aligned with slavery and the mindset of those who support it.

“Senator Reid has written a bill that would force Americans to pay for the abortion of babies and he implies that opposition to his efforts is evil? His comments are outrageous," King said.

“It’s Senator Reid’s bill that treats unborn humans like property. If anything, it’s his actions that should be compared to support for slavery," she added.


82 posted on 12/12/2009 4:38:12 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Wesley J. Smith makes some grim predictions for the coming year.

Thread by me.

Wesley J. Smith: Abortion, Assisted Suicide and Bioethics Predictions for 2010, Tough Pro-Life Year

"Flash Forward" is a new and interesting television drama presented on the ABC Television Network. The premise is brilliant - due to reasons still unknown, everyone in the world (except the bad guys) blackout for two minutes seventeen seconds.

Planes crash, people collapse on the streets, swimmers drown, it is an utter catastrophe that results in the deaths of 20 million people. Being unconscious, blackout victims experience a "flash forward" - a vision of precisely what they would be doing for two minutes and seventeen seconds at the same specific time in April 2010.

Some have happy futuristic visions of new loves, some unhappy of broken marriages and deaths, some terrifying such as being murdered, one hilarious - an FBI supervisor is chagrined to admit he spent his entire flash forward on the toilet. Still others have nothing but blackness, indicating that they may be dead next April. The show raises several fascinating questions; whether free will exists, can "the future" be changed, indeed, can it really be predicted.

Well, it’s time for our very own "flash forward" as the CBC has again asked me to prognosticate about our bioethical future in 2010:

Obamacare Will Pass

I was caught flat footed in last year’s predictions by the intense heat generated over health care reform in 2009. Rather than target health care reform to the need to expand access to health insurance as I supposed would happen, the proposals sought instead to remake the entire health care system. This stirred a hornet’s nest, raising important questions of affordability, fears of health care rationing - provocatively labeled "death panels" by Sarah Palin - coverage for abortion, illegal immigrants, and the definition of what constitutes medical treatment.

How will it all turn out? I predict a health care reform bill will be signed into law in 2010. That’s the easy part. The question becomes, what will it look like? That is hard to say since many of the important details will be determined by the tens of thousands of regulations promulgated to carry out the law in over the next few years. Still, the outlines are growing clear in my crystal ball. Here is my personal Obamacare flash forward:

The Public Option. One of the biggest controversies surrounding Obamacare is whether there will be a government health care plan to compete with private insurance companies. I predict that the pure PO will not become law in 2010. Instead, there will be a hybrid alternative enacted permitting non-profit companies - and only non profit companies - to join a government authorized purchasing collective. Whether they will actually threaten the private insurance sector - which I believe is the intent - will not become clear until after the law goes into effect in 2013.

Heath Care Rationing. Obamacare doesn't call explicitly for health care rationing, but creates its foundation with the establishment of cost/benefit/best practices boards that will be given tremendous sway over the standards of medical care and extent of coverage for both private and public plans. There is almost zero chance these boards will not be part of any law that passes. That means health care rationing will remain a looming specter and a cause for continuing societal debate for years to come.

Abortion. Companies participating in the public exchanges will be required to provide some abortion coverage, but there will not be direct public funding of most abortions. However, the law will permit regulators to require indirect public funding, for example, allowing abortion coverage to be purchased with government vouchers or tax credits.

End of Life Counseling. The provision allowing doctors to be compensated for providing end of life counseling will pass. But the law will require that it be voluntary and not directed to any particular decisions or outcomes.

Illegal Aliens. The law will not explicitly provide for coverage for people who are not legally in the country. But it will not require purchasers of government underwritten health insurance to provide proof of legal status, meaning that undocumented aliens will find ways to purchase health insurance under Obamacare.

The passage of Obamacare will not be the end of the controversy over national health insurance, but the beginning. There will be much wrangling over the regulations, attempts to roll back the law if and when Republicans regain control of Congress, and anger over increased taxation before benefits are paid. Expect the issue to be politically volatile for many years to come. . .


83 posted on 12/12/2009 4:41:28 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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God Bless Jim Robinson for his unwavering dedication to life!

Free Republic is a fringe right-wing Christian fundamentalist site

Free Republic is a fringe right-wing Christian fundamentalist site... or so they say... and they might even be right.

We don't go for any of that godless left-wing big government socialist malarkey. And we do put our faith and trust in God, not government. We are pro-God, pro-Life, pro-Family, pro-Country and pro-Liberty.

We do not believe that government or science knows what's best for us or our children. We will make our own decisions thank you very much.

Every once in a while some group of posters get together and try to bend Free Republic to their will. Now, we tend to be pretty free-wheeling around here and will take a lot of guff and a lot of obnoxious insults from a lot of people, but eventually a breaking point is reached.

For example, when a group of RINO lovers recently banded together to try to force FR to accept an abortionist/gay rights RINO as our presidential candidate, they soon found themselves on the outs.

And a few years ago a group of evolutionists tried to force FR over to their way of thinking and they soon found themselves on the outs.

FR is a pro-God, pro-Creator, pro-Life, pro-Liberty site.

And now we have yet another group of Darwinists trying to have their Darwinist way with us. Well, as I've said before what doesn't kill us will only make us stronger.

Darwin Central has again declared war on FR. They have ping lists and email lists and will try to pull away as many FReepers as they possibly can. So be it. Those who would rather go with Darwin, please go. I sure as hell won't try to stop you.

FR will remain a pro-God, pro-Life, pro-Liberty, pro-Creator conservative site.

We wholeheartedly believe that our unalienable rights are a gift from God our Creator not from man or government. And no man, no government will ever deprive us of same.

Keep your powder dry.


84 posted on 12/12/2009 4:44:12 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

You’re right, this is plumbing the depths of dumb and disingenuous. Thanks SO much for this and the other links. HTY!


85 posted on 12/12/2009 6:07:18 PM PST by cyn (Courage is not the absence of fear, but the mastery of it. ~Mark Twain)
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I have posted two threads on Dutch plans to expand eugenic infanticide to include the killing of infants who MIGHT suffer in the future.

Researcher to Dutch Government: Allow Euthanasia for Newborns Based on Foreseeable Suffering

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands, December 7, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A Dutch health researcher has called on the nation's government to allow physicians to euthanize newborns based on foreseen suffering, rather than only actual suffering, reports the Dutch medical journal Zorgkrant. 
 
Hilde Buiting, maintains that such an amendment would only conform the law to the current practice among physicians.
 
"The current guidelines state that there must be actual grave suffering on the part of the newborn," she said, as quoted in Zorgkrant.  "In practice, physicians look not only to the actual suffering of the sick newborn, but also to the grave suffering foreseen in the future.  This reality should be included in the considerations in adapting the guidelines."
 
The Groningen Protocol, approved by the Dutch government in 2006, establishes guidelines within which physicians may kill seriously ill newborns.

The Protocol allows doctors to kill newborns who fit into three separate categories: those who are so ill that they are likely to die very soon; those who could survive after "intensive treatment," but "expectations regarding their future condition are very grim," and; those who can survive without any additional medical treatment whatsoever, but are deemed to be experiencing suffering and "for whom a very poor quality of life, associated with sustained suffering, is predicted."

The Dutch government has established a committee to oversee newborn euthanasia, but they have received very few reports of the practice thus far.
 
Buiting made her comments in response to a statement made last month by Dutch State Secretary for Health, Welfare, and Sports Jet Bussemaker, who expressed concern about the lack of reporting.
 
Buiting believes that doctors will be more willing to report newborn euthanasia cases if the guidelines are amended to reflect what she says is the current practice among doctors - of killing newborns based upon likely, and not only actual, suffering.
 
"Given that we in the Netherlands find it important to exercise social control over the active killing of newborns, the guidelines should therefore be adjusted," she said.
 
However, according to Alex Schadenberg, executive director of the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition, "[potential future suffering] was always part of the Groningen Protocol."
 
He pointed to the February 2008 article "Ending the Life of a Newborn," from the prestigious bioethics journal The Hastings Center Report, which aimed to clarify various "misunderstandings" about the Protocol.  According to the authors, the Protocol already allows for euthanasia based on future suffering.
 
"The protocol has been taken to apply not only to pain, but also to other kinds of serious and unrelievable conditions," they wrote.  "The protocol thus leaves room for cases in which the suffering will take place in the future."
 
The Groningen Protocol, Schadenberg went on, "is not just about terminally ill newborns in difficult situations.  It's about newborns who are not always terminally ill.  Some of them are actually not even needing medical treatment."

The Protocol is "a eugenic policy," he insisted, "because we're determining at the newborn stage that these children will have a wretched life, so let's end their lives."  "In reality we have little actual knowledge of what is the actual situation for that child," he said.

While the Netherlands say they are motivated by compassion, according to Schadenberg, "they've become a cold and harsh society that eliminates those people who are most in need of care."

The situation in the Netherlands "should be saying to Canadian society that we need to be going the opposite direction and actually provide care," said Schadenberg, referring to Canada's current debate over euthanasia and assisted suicide.  "We actually have to care for people, not kill them."

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Killing Children Now in Case They Might Suffer in the Future

Fairly often I’m taken to task by some of my friends for suggesting that state-sanctioned eugenics is alive and well in the 21st century. I have a question to ask them:

Explain to me that what I’m about to report is not eugenics in its purest, simplest, and ugliest form.

First, a standard definition of eugenics:

the study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, esp. by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics).

The Nazis took eugenics a step further to take care of all those pesky people with medical and other disabilities who were inconveniently alive, believing that they were so debilitated that they had no acceptable quality of life.

The Dutch are now doing the same. (Google translate will give you a close English version).

Read on.

On Monday, a Dutch medical researcher, Hilde Buiting, called for another step down the slippery slope to pure insanity by calling for the government and the medical profession to change the rules on euthanizing newborn infants.

NOTE: I said change the rules, not devise the rules, because euthanizing newborns in the Netherlands has been officially allowed for quite a while, via the so-called Groningen Protocol of 2006.

In 2006 the argument was the same as what I’ll share below: Killing newborns was already happening in Dutch hospitals, but it was unregulated and therefore uncontrolled.

PRESTO!! Develop a medical set of rules that lay out when doctors may kill newborns. The Groningen Protocol makes killing newborn infants OK!! (An act of love and mercy, you understand).

I really wish I were making this up.

So now, in 2009, the Dutch are again pushing toward expanding euthanasia beyond the Groningen Protocol.

Sidebar: The Dutch already have precedent in killing adults to rely on for how they are now trying to justify killing more newborns. Initially, adult assisted suicide and euthanasia was officially only allowed for the terminally ill in unbearable and uncontrollable suffering. Now, years later, adult assisted suicide and euthanasia have morphed to where medical killing can be carried out for a host of other reasons, even if people are not terminally ill and even if they have no physical illness.

With me so far?

Here’s the new proposal from Ms. Buiting:

The current guidelines state that there must be actual grave suffering on the part of the newborn,. . . In practice, physicians look not only to the actual suffering of the sick newborn, but also to the grave suffering foreseen in the future. This reality should be included in the considerations in adapting the guidelines. . . . Given that we in the Netherlands find it important to exercise social control over the active killing of newborns, the guidelines should therefore be adjusted.

See the change? Now they want to kill newborns because of what they might suffer in the murky future.

Oh, and don’t forget about the “social control” part either.

That’s a chilling step past killing newborns that are already suffering, and like the Nazis, this is, as Ms. Buiting so cavalierly noted, a medical and government-sanctioned form of exercising social control.

Again, I ask, how is this not state- and medically sanctioned eugenics?

Prove me wrong, I beg of you, so that I can stop thinking that the unthinkable is now not only thinkable but doable; that we now want to judge newborn infants as so medically disabled that they should be killed by the white-coated, stethoscope-carrying grisly necromancers divining future suffering in order to kill infants now.

"We will not be silent.
We are your bad conscience.
The White Rose will give you no rest."

86 posted on 12/13/2009 10:18:42 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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The left just keeps getting sicker.

Thread by me.

Carbon Scheme: Offset Your Jet-Set Lifestyle by Eliminating African Babies

December 14, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Population control groups have been using the hype surrounding the Copenhagen climate change conference to promote their solution to hypothetical impending environmental catastrophes. Earlier this month, two pieces appearing in the same edition of the Guardian revisited a report by Britain's Optimum Population Trust (OPT) that suggests that people in wealthy first-world countries should "offset" the carbon cost of their jet-setting lifestyles by paying to prevent the births of poor children in the developing world.

John Vidal, the Guardian's environment editor, wrote that the OPT's report suggesting a "radical" plan to cut carbon emissions was the "best bet" to reduce global warming trends. In August, the OPT issued a report claiming to have made a comprehensive cost-benefit analysis to work out exactly how much "carbon emission" a child born in the developing world costs.

Vidal pointed to the claim in the OPT report that the 10 metric tons of carbon emitted by a single return flight from London to Sydney could be "offset" by "enabling the avoidance of one unwanted birth in a country such as Kenya."

In the same issue of the Guardian, David Burton wrote in an editorial that the OPT offset scheme, called "called PopOffsets," could be used to save the environment and "to help the world's poorest women."

The OPT scheme, Burton wrote, "will give practical help: both to the poorest women in the world to enable them to control their own fertility and to humanity by tackling the threat posed by human-induced climate change."

The report, published in August and titled, "Fewer Emitters, Lower Emissions, Less Cost: Reducing Future Carbon Emissions by Investing in Family Planning," said that "family planning" is cheaper than low carbon technologies like windmill power generators and low-consumption light bulbs.

"Based on the study's findings, it is proposed that family planning methods should be a primary tool in the optimum strategy for reducing carbon emissions," the report said. . .


87 posted on 12/19/2009 1:49:02 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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This is an AMAZING story.

Thread by me.

Abortion Survivor Shares Story of Beating Death at 24 Weeks Into Pregnancy

Melissa Ohden's 19 month old daughter, Olivia, was not supposed to have a chance at life because of abortion. Not because Melissa ever considered aborting her, but because Melissa, herself, was aborted at approximately 24 weeks of gestation and survived.

Abortion attempt survivors, in and of themselves, are rare in our society. Having an abortion attempt survivor become a mother, herself, and speak out against the intergenerational impact of abortion, is certainly even more of a rarity. But by all appearances, Melissa is up for the challenge that faces her in her ministry.

"It's my calling," states Melissa. "This is who I am; I wouldn't change a thing."

Although adoption was an intrinsic part of her family and life, Melissa didn't learn that she was the survivor of a failed saline infusion abortion attempt until she was in the 8th grade. Finding out the painful reality of how she entered the world truly changed her life and the lives of all of those around her forever, and understandably, it hasn't always been easy.

"Ashamed, guilty, and embarrassed," is how Melissa describes the predominant feelings she had for many years after finding out about surviving the abortion attempt.

Even though Melissa felt an overwhelming sense of gratitude for being saved from certain death, for many years shame and embarrassment at being "so unwanted," and guilt for growing up to be perfectly happy, healthy and successful rendered her silent.

After a long journey of healing, and a decades-long, but successful search for her birth records and biological family, however, Melissa came forward publicly in 2007 to share her story with the world and provide a voice to the millions of voiceless, aborted children just like her.

Since that time, Melissa's life has come full circle, as she gave birth to her first child, Olivia, at the very same hospital where her own life was supposed to end.

In spite of all the blessings that Melissa has received in her life, her search for the truth has not been painless, and many of her experiences have been emotionally and spiritually challenging. Sadly, even though Melissa had discovered that she was living in the same city as her biological father in 2007, he passed away in 2008, prior to ever meeting her.

With his passing, however, many gifts have come. Although her father had never told anyone about Melissa, after discovering a letter that she had sent him months prior to his passing, her biological father's family contacted her after his death.

"There's still so much grief," Melissa says about her father's passing.

Since initially being contacted by the paternal side of her family, Melissa has now met her grandfather and great-aunt, whom she sees on a regular basis. She has also spoken to her grandmother by phone and her father's wife by email.

The pain of losing her father and discovering that he carried the secret of Melissa with him all of his life, and ultimately to his death, is still too much for many in his family to handle, yet Melissa hopes that she will someday meet other family members, including a younger half-sister, that is unknowingly living in the same city as her currently.

Although Melissa has never had the opportunity to meet her biological mother, she has communicated with her maternal grandparents by letter, and she hopes to someday have contact with her mother, also. She is grateful that she has been given the opportunity to reach out to both of her biological parents and their families to let them know that she has forgiven them for the decision that was made to end her life, and has lived a full, blessed life.

"One decision, one single moment, can have such a detrimental impact on so many people, living and dead, born and yet to be conceived," is the driving point of Melissa's message.

Melissa's life and her ministry speaks to the true reality of abortion and the impact it has on not just women and children, but men, grandparents, aunts and uncles, siblings, cousins, friends, and communities. Yet it is also about so much more.

Melissa shares her inspiring story of survival and the awesome power of faith, hope, love and forgiveness in by speaking at Christian and pro-life events across the U.S. and Canada.


88 posted on 12/19/2009 1:51:18 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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God Bless Lila Rose for all she does.

Thread by Pyro7480.

Pro-Life Activist Lila Rose Attacked by Planned Parenthood Abortion Center Escort

Lila Rose has made a name for herself exposing the abuses at Planned Parenthood centers, such as staffers misleading women about abortion or hiding cases of sexual abuse. Rose became a victim herself Thursday morning as a Planned Parenthood staff member attacked her.

Late Thursday morning at the Planned Parenthood abortion facility located at 1691 The Alameda in San Jose, California, Rose led a group of pro-life advocates....

According to a police report filed at the scene and numerous witnesses, a uniformed Planned Parenthood escort engaged in a short exchange with Rose and eventually struck her on the hand, knocking her literature to the ground.

"Sir, are you familiar with the abortion procedure?" Rose asked the Planned Parenthood escort while standing on the public sidewalk.

The escort approached Rose from the Planned Parenthood parking lot and said, "You idiot. You've caused so much trouble. You piece of crap."

Rose offered to show the escort a picture of a baby victimized by abortion, saying, "Can I show you a picture of what it really does to a baby?"

At this point, the escort struck Rose's hand knocking her pro-life pamphlets and Bible to the ground and Rose stepped further back on the public sidewalk.

The Planned Parenthood official moved closer to Rose and, visibly shaking, says, "It's a woman's choice!"

"What about the baby's choice?" Rose responds....


89 posted on 12/19/2009 1:54:58 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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The evolution of evil continues.

Thread by SeekAndFind.

Video: Mother kills newborn, can’t be charged with crime (Abortion Legal till Umbilical Cord is cut)

This may be the worst story of the year, at least in reference to domestic policy and crime.

How bad is it? When Matt of Creative Minority Report tipped me to it this morning, I had to track it down to make sure it was on the level. A woman in Campbell County, Virginia smothered her newborn infant, and police are powerless to do anything about it:

CLICK ABOVE LINK FOR VIDEO

The caller said a woman in her early 20s was in labor. When deputies arrived, they discovered the baby had actually been born around 1:00a.m., about ten hours earlier. Investigators say the baby was already dead when deputies got there.

Investigators tell WSLS the baby’s airway was still blocked. They say the baby was under bedding and had been suffocated by her mother. Investigators say because the mother and baby were still connected by the umbilical cord and placenta, state law does not consider the baby to be a separate life. Therefore, the mother cannot be charged.

“In the state of Virginia as long as the umbilical cord is attached and the placenta is still in the mother, if the baby comes out alive the mother can do whatever she wants to with that baby to kill it.“, says Investigator Tracy Emerson. “She could shoot the baby, stab the baby. As long as it’s still attached to her in some form by umbilical cord or something it’s no crime in the state of Virginia.“

Law enforcement officials have repeatedly attempted to get the law changed, asking state legislators to do something about the gap in protection for newborns. Why have Virginia legislators failed to act? They’re afraid of running afoul of the abortion industry:

The Campbell County Sheriff’s Office and Commonwealth’s Attorney’s office worked unsuccessfully to get the law changed after another baby died in the county in a similar case. Emerson says they asked two delegates and one state senator to take the issue up in the General Assembly. He says the three lawmakers refused because they felt the issue was too close to the abortion issue.

Er, what? I’m not aware of fourth-trimester abortions being legal anywhere in the US. In fact, I doubt that third-trimester abortions are legal in Virginia, either. Ironically, if the baby had been killed by someone else in an assault on the mother before its birth, that person would have been charged with murder, which sets up a really interesting double standard. Are legislators in Virginia so afraid of the abortion industry that they can’t take steps to protect full-term babies after their birth? Sounds like Virginians need a new class of lawmakers.


90 posted on 12/19/2009 1:57:38 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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God has a purpose for each and every one of His children.

Thread by NYer.

Baby Without a Brain : A Miracle Story

Pueblo, Colorado - Nicholas Coke, a baby boy from Pueblo is a living miracle. He was born with no brain. He can’t see, hear, crawl or suck, but still managed to make a history. This week he has completed his one year’s tough fight for survival.

The disease Nicholas was born with is called Anencephaly. It’s a genetic disorder in which a person has no brain, just a brain stem. Anencephaly is a defect in the closure of the neural tube during development in the womb. The neural tube is a narrow channel that folds and closes between the third and fourth weeks of pregnancy, forming the brain and the spinal cord. In rare cases, one end of the neural tube does not close. This results in the absence of a major part of the brain, skull, and scalp.

Anencephaly occurs in about 1 out of 10,000 births, although the exact number is not known because many of these pregnancies result in a miscarriage, according to the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke.

The cause of anencephaly is unknown, although the mother’s diet, including an insufficient intake of folic acid, may play a role. Most scientists, however, believe many other factors are also involved.

Nicholas, the miracle child has survived without doctors, or tubes. Her mother Sheena told that he even showed sign of emotion. It was his first smile that brings solace to her poor mother.

They are celebrating every moment as they didn’t know when that fateful moment would come and they had to witness their child breathing his last breath.

We wish Nicholas a Happy Birthday and Merry Christmas. May God bless him.


91 posted on 12/19/2009 2:00:19 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Merry Christmas sweet boy!!

Hugs and love from a fellow Coloradan.


92 posted on 12/19/2009 4:29:36 PM PST by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13)
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Still praying that the evil trio will receive God Almighty’s perfect
justice in my lifetime!


93 posted on 12/19/2009 4:31:27 PM PST by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13)
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What really goes on in Big Murder's death chambers.

Thread by rhema.

What Goes On At Planned Parenthood

About 20 high school kids (including myself) from my school’s Live Action chapter went to a Planned Parenthood in the Bay Area.

We got there around 10:00 AM, and met with a few more activists with signs picturing abortion victims. We split up into a couple of groups of 7 or so each, and each group gathered in a circle near one of the 3 driveway entrances to the parking lot of the clinic. We prayed for a while, each sharing his/her own prayer, and then we read aloud from the Psalms. Then we prayed again. The whole time, children were being slaughtered, mercilessly, by abortionist doctors whose nurse friends had entangled the “patients” in a web of lies and deceit. Telling them that “Its not a baby…or anything like that.”

After praying, three of my friends and I began handing out information such as magazines on fetal development to the mothers coming into the clinic. We stood next to the driveways of the clinic, and when a car came by we would do our best to hand them the information. This we did with little success. In fact, one mother and her daughter, aged about 15, were driving out of the clinic parking lot. The young girl was sobbing, with her face buried in her hands. Her mother had her hand on her daughter’s shoulder, trying to comfort, only to fail. The hard, cold, reality was that their family had probably driven into that same parking lot a few hours before, with one more member of their family.

Now that member, boy or girl, was probably thrown carelessly away, but its spirit is in God’s hands.

This young girl was not the only one in that situation. Other women came out of the clinic, holding their stomachs and with expressions on their faces that said, “I regret it already.” and “don’t talk to me I am worthless.” and “what have I done?”. Not one–not one of these women came out of the clinic smiling.

Soon after that heartbroken girl had left the clinic, we were startled by some harsh words from a somewhat raised voice, a little ways behind us. Planned Parenthood “volunteers” had been patrolling the grounds with cameras, and if we set one foot across that invisible line which separated public property from Planned Parenthood property, they would whip out their cameras, hoping to get a picture of us so that they might file a report of tresspassing. Anyway, the speaking had come from an elderly man, who, despite Planned Parenthood’s attempts to keep him from engaging in conversation with us “anti-choice” people, had been arguing one of our group, Lila Rose. She had tried to ask him if he knew what abortion really was, and he was calling her names like “idiot”, “piece of crap”, and the like. He angrily slapped the magazines and her Bible out of her hands, and with the final comment of, “Its not a baby,” he turned around and walked away.

Meanwhile, another of our student groups was centered around a young man who was crying. They were praying for him, for his child, for the mother of his child, and for the “doctor” and all the others in the clinic. His child was, on that day, scheduled to be murdered.

He had tried to convince his girlfriend not to go through with the abortion, but she would not listen to him, and she went into the clinic anyway. He tried to follow her but the workers would not let him in. Since then, earlier in the morning, he had been either sitting outside the clinic, sobbing, or trying to get into the clinic, to save his child from those brutal instruments it was about to encounter. But there was nothing, nothing he could do. He was so close to his child, on those last hours, those last minutes of its life, but there was nothing he could do to save that one life that was so dear to him. So dear, even though he had never even seen his child. Now that is true love. That is the kind of love that needs to be shown by every mother, whether her son or daughter has been brought into the world yet or not. That is probably the closest that love on earth gets to the kind of unconditional love that God has for us.

I joined this group to pray for him. After we prayed, and he had gone off somewhere, probably to try to get into the building, we saw two women: one older and taller, the other younger and shorter. They walked over to our group, and told us that a man said to them as they were preparing to enter the clinic, ” You don’t want to go into that clinic.” The woman was not sure if she was pregnant. She said that she had once had an ectopic pregnancy, and she wanted to find out if she was pregnant and if the child was growing in the correct place this time. She had been going into Planned Parenthood for a pregnancy test.

So we offered to drive them to a Community Pregnancy Center (CPC) which is a pro-life organization that counsels women with unplanned pregnancies to consider putting their child up for adoption, or to keep their child: anything but kill it. But first, we all prayed for her together and then sent her with one of the dads in the group to the nearest CPC. If she had gone into the clinic, the “counselors” would have probably entangled her into that same web of lies that the first young girl we saw had probably been entangled in, and that so many women, looking for help, looking for support, find themselves entangled in.

While we were meeting all these people, we were passing out copies of Live Action’s magazine, The Advocate. I saw a young man of about 14 sitting at a bus stop. I was going to hand him a copy of the magazine, but I thought better of it and asked my brother to give him one instead, because I thought he would be more likely to listen to another boy his age than a girl. My brother sat down next to him and showed him the magazine. The boy asked, “What’s this?” to which my brother opened it up to a picture of a slaughtered child. about 10 weeks old. “That’s nasty…” the boy said. My brother then began explaining what it was, and that it was going on in the clinic behind them right at that time.

The boy looked startled, confused, sad, and my brother handed him a couple more copies of the magazine, advising him to give it to his friends, and if there was any girl he knew who was contemplating abortion, to show her that picture and advise her against it.

We saw suffering and pain that day. In that young girl’s life, in that unfortunate father’s life. In all those lives that we knew were being ended before they had a chance to thrive. We saw how much abortion hurts people. Not only in brutally killing babies, but also hurting both mothers and fathers emotionally and, sometimes, the mothers physically. We saw what it was like to be on so many different sides of the issue, to be the father, the mother, and the fortunate woman who makes that “choice” of life, to be an angry Planned Parenthood “escort”. We saw the young man on the bus stop, who doesn’t know what is going on. So many are ignorant. And so many are hurt.

How can these things happen? How have we let them continue to ravage our country?

“Let us be that generation that stood up, raised our voices, and finished the work.”
~Lila Rose (Live Action President, from her 2009 Life Prizes acceptance speech)


94 posted on 12/20/2009 11:27:22 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Ben Nelson MUST be persuaded to support life.

Thread by freespirited.

Huckabee will hold Omaha rally [Sunday, to protest Ben Nelson]

Former Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee is headed to Nebraska.

Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor, will headline an Omaha rally Sunday afternoon to try to persuade U.S. Sen. Ben Nelson to change his mind on health care reform.

The rally will be at 3 p.m. at the Civic Auditorium Music Hall, 17th Street and Capitol Avenue. Doors will open at 2 p.m.

The rally was put together quickly Saturday after Nelson, a Nebraska Democrat, said he would support a health-care reform bill in the Senate.

Republican U.S. Rep. Lee Terry of Omaha is expected to attend, as well as state lawmakers and other elected officials.

The rally is being sponsored by Americans for Prosperity of Nebraska, a group opposed to President Barack Obama's health-care reform efforts.


95 posted on 12/20/2009 11:29:37 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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CANCEL ORDERS TO OMAHA STEAKS and let's start a general "BOYCOTT OF NEBRASKA".

The boycott of Florida re: Terri was not organized but it absolutely positively worked. Tourism went way down when Terri lost her life for the now deceased Sen. Jim King and his pal Gov Charlie Crist and all the other RINOS.

96 posted on 12/20/2009 11:32:56 AM PST by floriduh voter (Marco Rubio 4 Fla Senate NOT: Smith-carpetbagger,Dockery-Terri killer, Crist-RINO)
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Murder as a Christmas gift.

Thread by me.

Hot Christmas gift: Suicide pills

Elderly people are now buying their loved ones suicide kits as Christmas gifts, according to a prominent euthanasia physician nicknamed "Dr. Death."

Dr. Philip Nitschke, founder of Exit International and author of "The Peaceful Pill Handbook," has explained the use of legal drugs, inert gases, plastic bags and other methods for committing suicide to audiences all over the world, including in U.S. cities such as San Francisco, Calif., and Anaheim, Calif.

He told Australia's Herald-Sun a so-called "peaceful pill" is being developed from Nembutal, the favored drug for ending life. Nembutal is the same drug that killed famous actress Marilyn Monroe. It's mostly used by veterinarians as an anesthetic and euthanasia drug for animals.

The drug is widely available in Mexico for around $30 a bottle, and Nitschke told ABC News in September he has accompanied terminally ill patients to buy the drug.

"You pour it into a glass. You drink it. You follow that with your whiskey, and I've never seen anyone finish their whiskey," he said. "They put the glass down, and they're gone – gone to sleep, and death follows shortly thereafter. To the outside observer, nothing looks more peaceful." . . .


97 posted on 12/20/2009 11:33:09 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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They should bring their own food to Nebraska so they don’t spend a dime there.


98 posted on 12/20/2009 11:35:09 AM PST by floriduh voter (Marco Rubio 4 Fla Senate NOT: Smith-carpetbagger,Dockery-Terri killer, Crist-RINO)
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Gary Harvey Update

Thread by me.

Schiavo's brother backs local woman's custody fight (Gary Harvey)

Bobby Schindler watched his sister die in one of the most publicized end-of-life cases in the nation’s history.

Now, he’s hoping a similar case in Chemung County has a different ending.

Schindler, the brother of Terri Schiavo, was in Elmira Monday to show his support for Sara Harvey, who is attempting to regain custody of her injured husband, Gary Harvey.

“We’re trying to support her efforts to bring her husband home,” Schindler said.

Chemung County is the guardian of Gary Harvey, who has been in a persistent vegetative state since he fell down his basement steps in January 2006 in Horseheads. Sara Harvey was removed as her husband’s guardian in February 2007.

She claims Chemung County is trying to kill her husband, as evidenced by its request in May to remove Gary Harvey’s feeding tube. The county has said it follows the advice of doctors to make decisions in Gary Harvey’s best interests.

“I just want my husband back,” she said Monday. Ultimately, the county withdrew its request to remove Gary Harvey’s feeding tube, but a do-not-resuscitate order remains in place.

The case remains in legal limbo.

Sara Harvey lost guardianship of her husband in February 2007 after a judge found she was ill-suited to care for him and did not follow medical advice. The county attorney’s office claims Sara Harvey has a history of abusing her injured husband, an allegation she denies. Like Sara Harvey, Schindler and his family did not have guardianship of Terri Schiavo, whose husband was her guardian.

Terri Schiavo, who had been in a persistent vegetative state since 1990, died March 31, 2005, in Florida after her feeding tube was removed by a court order, a move requested and backed by her husband, Michael Schiavo. Her death culminated years of bitter legal fights between the Schindlers and Michael Schiavo. “There are animals that got treated better than my sister,” Schindler said. “All life is really sacred.”

Schindler said Chemung County should allow Sara Harvey to regain guardianship and let Gary Harvey live. “Gary Harvey is not dying,” Schindler said. “There is no reason care (should be) denied.”

Schindler, who visited Gary Harvey on Monday at St. Joseph’s Hospital in Elmira, said the county is bullying Sara Harvey.

“It’s horrible how they are treating this woman,” he said.

Sara Harvey is allowed only supervised visits with her husband.

“I went through hell, and I’m still going through hell,” she said. “The government owns my husband.”

Schindler, who has an uncle who lives in Corning, helps run a foundation that advocates for people in situations similar to Sara Harvey’s. The foundation’s Web site is www.terrisfight.org.

"We will not be silent.
We are your bad conscience.
The White Rose will give you no rest."

99 posted on 12/20/2009 11:36:12 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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bttt


100 posted on 12/20/2009 5:21:08 PM PST by Dante3
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