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Fort Hood gunman had told US military colleagues that infidels should have their throats cut
Telegraph ^

Posted on 11/08/2009 9:03:44 AM PST by traumer

Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the gunman who killed 13 at America's Fort Hood military base, once gave a lecture to other doctors in which he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats.

He also told colleagues at America's top military hospital that non-Muslims were infidels condemned to hell who should be set on fire. The outburst came during an hour-long talk Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, gave on the Koran in front of dozens of other doctors at Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in Washington DC, where he worked for six years before arriving at Fort Hood in July.

Colleagues had expected a discussion on a medical issue but were instead given an extremist interpretation of the Koran, which Hasan appeared to believe.

It was the latest in a series of "red flags" about his state of mind that have emerged since the massacre at Fort Hood, America's largest military installation, on Thursday.

Hasan, armed with two handguns including a semi-automatic pistol, walked into a processing centre for soldiers deploying to Iraq and Afghanistan, where he killed 13 and injured more than 30.

Fellow doctors have recounted how they were repeatedly harangued by Hasan about religion and that he openly claimed to be a "Muslim first and American second."

One Army doctor who knew him said a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim soldier had stopped fellow officers from filing formal complaints.

Another, Dr Val Finnell, who took a course with him in 2007 at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Maryland, did complain about Hasan's "anti-American rants." He said: "The system is not doing what it's supposed to do. He at least should have been confronted about these beliefs, told to cease and desist, and to shape up or

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1 posted on 11/08/2009 9:03:45 AM PST by traumer
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To: traumer

how come they know this across the pond...and our media doesn’t?


2 posted on 11/08/2009 9:04:35 AM PST by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: traumer

SO MUCH FOR THE SHRINK PROFESSION. COULDN’T FIGURE OUT THEY HAD A murderer AMONG THEM.


3 posted on 11/08/2009 9:05:27 AM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Daisyjane69

The British journalist do their jobs.
American journalists just attend ‘sensitivity training’ !


4 posted on 11/08/2009 9:08:42 AM PST by traumer
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To: Daisyjane69

Our media knows it all right - they just aren’t releasing it.


5 posted on 11/08/2009 9:08:43 AM PST by phoenix07
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To: Daisyjane69

The media knows, they just don’t care to report anything that doesn’t have a liberal slant on it.


6 posted on 11/08/2009 9:08:59 AM PST by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "President Government" is here)
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To: Marty62

cnn still saying the “search is on for clues”, before the media, and the aclu are done with him, he’ll be painted as the tortured victim.


7 posted on 11/08/2009 9:09:39 AM PST by tm61 (somewhere in chicago, a ward is missing it's crook)
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To: traumer
Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the gunman who killed 13 at America's Fort Hood military base, once gave a lecture to other doctors in which he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats.

To save us from the Swine Flu?

8 posted on 11/08/2009 9:10:16 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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One Army doctor who knew him said a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim soldier had stopped fellow officers from filing formal complaints

Oh my.

9 posted on 11/08/2009 9:10:45 AM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: traumer

Once again, the British, 4000 miles away, beat the U.S. MSM, who are on the scene, with this..

Amazing..


10 posted on 11/08/2009 9:11:07 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (A moderate muslim is one who is simply buying time to reload..)
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To: traumer

Red flags? Helloooooooooooo...is anyone there? I hate to say this but the US military has a serious case of PC insanity given that they let this jihadist go about his business as if everything was normal.


11 posted on 11/08/2009 9:11:46 AM PST by xp38
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To: traumer

If a member of the “vast right wing conspiracy” ( any conservative) had said that - ole Janet N would have been on them like white on rice. She knows a terrorists when she sees a conservative. But a Muslim? Give him a pass and condemn anyone who dares to doubt his motives.


12 posted on 11/08/2009 9:12:24 AM PST by GOPJ (There's NO condemnation of this bastard in the M uslim S ympathizing M edia - MestaMachine)
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To: traumer

Can this be verified?


13 posted on 11/08/2009 9:12:29 AM PST by NCBraveheart (I think therefore I am Libertarian)
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To: tm61

I reserve my judgement until CNN verifies the story....


14 posted on 11/08/2009 9:12:45 AM PST by traumer
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To: Daisyjane69
how come they know this across the pond...and our media doesn’t?

The domestic media are in an addictive euphoric fog because of the coming of the Messiah and miss a lot of news stories because of it.

15 posted on 11/08/2009 9:13:27 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: traumer

Ok, I’m probably going to take some heat for saying this, but since when do the officers of our military put careers ahead of preventing terrorist attacks like what happened at Ft. Hood?


16 posted on 11/08/2009 9:14:26 AM PST by MizSterious (Do you not think an angel rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm? John Page, 1744-1808)
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To: traumer

THANK YOU UK FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO QUOTE WHAT OUR MEDIA IS TOO PANSY TO REPORT!


17 posted on 11/08/2009 9:15:01 AM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

I hope these dimwit PC Amry doctors feel the quilt of not preventing the murders of these young soldiers. Send the whole Staff of Walter Reed to Afganistan, let them feel what our troops are going through. Maybe that will get their minds Right!


18 posted on 11/08/2009 9:15:26 AM PST by jonathan-swift2000 (The Good news from Iraq the MSM won't publish.)
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To: traumer

Once again - british journalists doing the work “american” journalists refuse to do.


19 posted on 11/08/2009 9:16:23 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: traumer

Nobody wants to offend anybody, so the guy ends up shooting 13 people dead. Pathetic!!!

Like Obama said though... Don’t jump to any conclusions. The next thing you know Barry O will be groveling and apologizing to this fool and other Muslims for all offensive beliefs he had to put up with while serving in the American military. Beliefs like God, Country, Duty and Sacrifice. Yeah, those nasty American beliefs that are so offensive to Radical Muslim Jihadist. But nobody’s saying this guy was a Jihadist, that would be jumping to a conclusion.

What a freaking joke. 2012 can’t come quick enough.


20 posted on 11/08/2009 9:16:45 AM PST by jerod (They were pro-abortion, for gun control & wanted a cleaner environment at all cost - The NAZI party)
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To: traumer

If he said that black people or gays should be lynched he’d have been out the door in a heartbeat

the ARMY killed its own by permitting this madmen to stay in their midst unchecked unchallenged uncontrolled and UNCOMMANDED


21 posted on 11/08/2009 9:17:19 AM PST by silverleaf (Ours is the only country on earth with a ventriloquist dummy for President)
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To: traumer; tubebender; AmericanInTokyo; ASA Vet; BIGLOOK; Cindy; piasa; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...

“He also told colleagues at America’s top military hospital that non-Muslims were infidels condemned to hell who should be set on fire. The outburst came during an hour-long talk Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, gave on the Koran in front of dozens of other doctors at Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in Washington DC, where he worked for six years before arriving at Fort Hood in July.”

The the politically correct pysch department at Walter Reed, promoted this future mass murderer to Major and sent him to Ft Hood to be out of their way.

Thanks to real reporters with foriegn news organizations, we are learning about some of the very scary personal history of this TROPPOS member.


22 posted on 11/08/2009 9:18:45 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Does 0b0z0 have any friends, who aren't traitors, spies, tax cheats and criminals?)
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To: traumer
"...he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats."

Nah, it wasn't a terrorist attack. Move long - nothing to see...

23 posted on 11/08/2009 9:18:52 AM PST by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: traumer
But he didn't cut anybody's throat, he shot them, therefore proving that his crime was not religiously motivated. </msm>
24 posted on 11/08/2009 9:19:29 AM PST by Fabozz
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To: traumer

I wonder if Lindsey Graham has read this?


25 posted on 11/08/2009 9:20:57 AM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: traumer
Washington Sniper:

nvestigators and the prosecution at trial suggested that Muhammad intended to kill his ex-wife Mildred, who had estranged him from his children. According to this theory, she would appear to be just another random victim of the snipers. Muhammad frequented the neighborhood where she lived during the attacks, and some of the incidents occurred nearby. Additionally, he had earlier made threats against her. Mildred herself made the claim that she was his intended target. However Judge LeRoy Millette Jr. prevented prosecutors from presenting that theory during the trial, saying that a link had not been firmly established.

While imprisoned, John Lee Malvo wrote a number of erratic diatribes about what he termed “jihad” against the United States.[18] “I have been accused on my mission. Allah knows I'm gonna suffer now”, he wrote.[18] Because his rants and drawings featured not only such figures as Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, but also characters from the film series The Matrix, these musings were dismissed as immaterial.[18] Some investigators reportedly said they had all but eliminated terrorist ties or political ideologies as a motive.[19][20][21] Nonetheless, in at least one of the ensuing murder trials, a Virginia court found Muhammad guilty of killing “pursuant to the direction or order” of terrorism.[22]

At the 2006 trial of Muhammad, Malvo testified that the aim of the killing spree was to kidnap children for the purpose of extorting money from the government and to “set up a camp to train children how to terrorize cities”,[23] with the ultimate goal being to “shut things down” across the United States.[24]

Egyptair 990 crash: The cockpit voice recorder (CVR) recorded the Captain excusing himself to go to the bathroom, followed thirty seconds later by the First Officer saying, "I rely on God." A minute later, the autopilot was disengaged, immediately followed by the First Officer again saying, "I rely on God." Three seconds later, the throttle for both engines was reduced to zero, and both elevators were moved three degrees, nose down. The First Officer repeated "I rely on God" six more times before the Captain is suddenly heard to ask repeatedly, "What's happening, what's happening?" The flight data recorder reflected that the Captain then commanded the nose up while the First Officer commanded the nose down, at the same time as the engines were shut down. The Captain asked, "What is this? What is this? Did you shut the engines?" There were no other aircraft in the area. There was no indication that an explosion occurred on board. The engines operated normally for the entire flight until they were shut down. The left engine was subsequently torn from the wing from the stress of the maneuvers.

26 posted on 11/08/2009 9:22:51 AM PST by thinking
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To: traumer

Missives from the Religion of Peace and one of its adherents.


27 posted on 11/08/2009 9:23:32 AM PST by navymom1
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To: traumer

Our soldiers deserve the truth. And they clearly aren’t getting it from their so-called commander in chief.


28 posted on 11/08/2009 9:23:40 AM PST by jersey117
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To: traumer
One Army doctor who knew him said a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim soldier had stopped fellow officers from filing formal complaints.

This is the fruit of political correctness...rational judgments are suspended because of fear of reprisals from the Diversity Police.

In our own daily lives, we have to start fighting back against them. It's easy once you stop and realize that a) their approval doesn't matter and b) their disapproval means you're doing the right thing. They only have the power you give them. Plus, it is fun and easy to get them spluttering with indignation and ruin their day.
29 posted on 11/08/2009 9:24:14 AM PST by LostInBayport (When the riders in the cart outnumber those pulling the cart, the cart stops moving. My back hurts.)
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To: ColdWater

Why do you ask? Is Lindsay on the PC bandwagon too?


30 posted on 11/08/2009 9:25:58 AM PST by jersey117
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To: Grampa Dave
Well...from Sunday's talk shows:

Casey: Shootings leading to a hard look at Army

31 posted on 11/08/2009 9:27:24 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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Why do you ask? Is Lindsay on the PC bandwagon too?

ABSOLUTELY. JL was quoted this morning that Congress should hold an investigation. LG said there was no evidence that Hasan was given a pass because he was a muslim ....

32 posted on 11/08/2009 9:28:14 AM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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JL = Joe Lieberman


33 posted on 11/08/2009 9:28:59 AM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: traumer

Political correctness mass murder in Texas.


34 posted on 11/08/2009 9:29:40 AM PST by dragnet2
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>Why do you ask? Is Lindsay on the PC bandwagon too?<

Watch this. Put down your coffee first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAzw_IJUpEo


35 posted on 11/08/2009 9:31:43 AM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: Daisyjane69

At least we have some friends somewhere. Unlike the state run media which is our absolute worst enemy aside from obama.


36 posted on 11/08/2009 9:31:54 AM PST by bergmeid (obama. With a small o.)
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To: traumer

what makes this even more incredible is that not only did he publicly state these beliefs as a US soldier but as one who counsels other soldiers.


37 posted on 11/08/2009 9:34:36 AM PST by plain talk
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Once again - british journalists doing the work “american” journalists refuse to do.

Only for other countries. Don't worry they don't investigate anything that would disrupt THEIR liberal utopian society.

38 posted on 11/08/2009 9:35:10 AM PST by riri (http://rationaljingo.blogspot.com/)
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Obama won’t say this guy acted stupidly. Doesn’t want to offend muslims.
Now if he was a white Cambridge cop...


39 posted on 11/08/2009 9:36:07 AM PST by romanesq
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To: traumer
he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats

An attitude like that, in a shrink no less, needs a lot more help than 72 virgins can provide.

Unless they're assigned to a firing squad.

40 posted on 11/08/2009 9:39:05 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (LIBERTY)
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This guy’s background check for his security clearance must have been fairly perfunctory.


41 posted on 11/08/2009 9:43:39 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (You must choose ... death, or bulunga.)
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cnn still saying the “search is on for clues”,

a.k.a. "clues made While U wait" by clueless CNN

42 posted on 11/08/2009 9:45:03 AM PST by Sons of Union Vets (No taxation without representation!)
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"he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats"

Uh huh, that's pretty much consistent with the koarn.
43 posted on 11/08/2009 9:45:12 AM PST by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: traumer

Thank God for the Foreign Press where the truth is told. Just as I said: http://www.brayincandy.com/
Another 13 Americans sacrificed to Political Correctness.

Pray for America and Our Troops


44 posted on 11/08/2009 9:46:00 AM PST by bray (America Gu Bra)
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To: traumer; lilycicero

If this is true, these weren’t merely red flags, these were neon flashing lights.


45 posted on 11/08/2009 9:47:06 AM PST by Girlene
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To: traumer

I think maybe the media, and the medical officers in the Army, have been so secular that they really don’t understand that any educated American, who is not a fundamentalist Christian, could actually take an action that is religiously motivated.

They look for the motivations that a secular person would have, like resentment, self-esteem issues, etc. What in their profession prepares them for someone who acts out of religious conviction? Obama has this disconnect, too, because he has never done anything for a committed, religious reason.

It’s not that common, but there are some people who profoundly need to follow a radical, religious calling. If there is not a productive, challenging path to put them on, and a lot of sane guidance and discipline from good people, they will respond to the zeal and attraction of evil people. The Muslim community will not or cannot redirect their radical children. Christians had better find a way to reach them and lead them. Christians also need to direct our own people who yearn for an extreme challenge, so they don’t go find the Taliban, too.


46 posted on 11/08/2009 9:47:08 AM PST by married21
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To: traumer

A sorrowful, but predictable, outcome of the Political Correctness espoused by the progressives and socialists currently in charge. There will no doubt be more happenings such as this if we allow the PC crowd to continue to define the debate and set the agenda.

It’s time to take back the country.


47 posted on 11/08/2009 9:47:36 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: Grampa Dave
Good morning Dave,

The the politically correct pysch department at Walter Reed, promoted this future mass murderer to Major and sent him to Ft Hood to be out of their way.

Not exactly.....Hasan went through med school provided by the Army and once he graduated, his rank was Captain. When he went on to a specialty and graduated, he was automatically promoted to Major. That's just the way it is in the medical corps.....but they screwed the pooch by not kicking him out early on when his radical ideas and conduct became evident.
48 posted on 11/08/2009 9:48:18 AM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: traumer

“Colleagues had expected a discussion on a medical issue but were instead given an extremist interpretation of the Koran, which Hasan appeared to believe. “

There is nothing “extremist” about this “interpretation”. This is what the koran teaches, to ALL muslims. When will the world wake up to the fact that you cannot live peacefully with muslims. Either they must be eradicated, or you will be by them.


49 posted on 11/08/2009 9:52:13 AM PST by gop4lyf (Obama wants to raise taxes and kill babies. Palin wants to raise babies and kill taxes.)
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To: traumer

I cannot wait until they report the truth about how he was promoted this year. I hope they name names!


50 posted on 11/08/2009 9:52:40 AM PST by All Blue State
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