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Salt Lake OKs Gay Rights Ordinances [This Is Where Mormons And Catholics Part Company]
AP Report ^ | November 10th, 2009

Posted on 11/10/2009 10:02:51 PM PST by Steelfish

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To: ejonesie22

Yeah, I’m a freak...A “Jesus Freak” (Cue the DC Talk song):

What will people think
When they hear that Im a jesus freak
What will people do when they find that its true
I dont really care if they label me a jesus freak
There aint no disguising the truth

Kamikaze, my death is gain
Ive been marked by my maker
A peculiar display
The high and lofty, they see me as weak
Cause I wont live and die for the power they seek

People say Im strange, does it make me a stranger
That my best friend was born in a manger
People say Im strange, does it make me a stranger
That my best friend was born in a manger


121 posted on 11/12/2009 10:06:38 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: tlb; ejonesie22; Colofornian; colorcountry; Elsie

I don’t think many of them actually care about Mormons one way or the other.

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If we didn’t care about them, then we would just “live and let live” and let them go to Hell rather than show them their theological errors (according to the BIBLE).

Many of us “antis” either were LDS, or have loved ones still enslaved to them.


122 posted on 11/12/2009 10:09:18 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Tennessee Nana

About the Morg telling mormons how to vote...

“In recent years the LDS Church has steered clear of supporting candidates. But Pres. Benson said Mormon President Heber J. Grant told church members to vote for Herbert Hoover when Franklin D. Roosevelt was running for his first term . . .

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When I was living in Utah, Wilfrid Brimley was trying to get gambling in Utah. We were told in our Church meetings to vote against it and that some who were vocal in support of it would face “discipline”.

There is a lot of pressure on who to vote for in the LDS, especially for those behind the “Zion Curtain”.


123 posted on 11/12/2009 10:11:56 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

There is a lot of pressure on who to vote for in the LDS, especially for those behind the “Zion Curtain”.
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yes i noticed that for 2008...

The bishops etc werte telling the mormons tro vote for Romney...

more than 90% of Utah voted for Romney...

Of course that means they were bigoted against the non-mormons...


124 posted on 11/12/2009 10:15:53 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: reaganaut

And hey...

The mormons didnt vote for Huckabee...

Wonder why ???


125 posted on 11/12/2009 10:21:04 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

There is this view/feeling among the LDS that another member of “The Church” is more trustworthy than a “Gentile”.

This is ironic considering that Utah is the leader in White collar crime and the amount of scams/ponzi schemes that occur among the LDS with other LDS members as targets.

In LDS eyes, for the most part, a “worthy Temple Mormon” is much more trustworthy than a Gentile. Especially, a Gentile who is/was a “hireling of Satan” (according to the OLD LDS temple rituals, all Christian ministers were hired by Satan - this changed in 1990 but many faithful members still accept and abide by the view).

I was LDS when SLC voted for a female (gasp!) mayor (early 1990’s). My landlord kept crying because “Zion” was going to be run by a Gentile who was a member of the “whore of Babylon”.


126 posted on 11/12/2009 10:47:55 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

My landlord kept crying because “Zion” was going to be run by a Gentile who was a member of the “whore of Babylon
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that was the early 1990s ???

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

The bigitry of mormonism hadnt changed since 1978 when many of the mormons were “crying because “Zion” was going to be (invaded) by (blacks) who (were) members of the “group who were not vaiiant in the wars in the mormon pre-life”

30-year-old Romney cried like a baby...

Must have been a sad day for so called “Zion” when the mormon god changed his mind about black folks so that the morg wouldnt lose their tax exemption...

(SIGH)

But the taints must endure...


127 posted on 11/12/2009 11:04:06 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: reaganaut; tlb
Many of us “antis” either were LDS, or have loved ones still enslaved to them.

Or in my case, both.

128 posted on 11/12/2009 11:22:09 AM PST by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

yeah it was 1992. Dee dee corradini was also Catholic (lapsed IIRC), and a Democrat which is what made it worse.


129 posted on 11/12/2009 11:45:16 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: colorcountry

of course. I should have put and/or. :)


130 posted on 11/12/2009 11:45:46 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

I find it very interesting that there are fellow Christians out there that will speak of how wonderful their Mormon neighbors are, how friendly and kind they are and how much they love them and think we should live and let live and they could never “hate” their peaceful loving friends and yet are perfectly fine with essentially telling them to go to hell...


131 posted on 11/12/2009 2:16:37 PM PST by ejonesie22
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To: ejonesie22

and yet are perfectly fine with essentially telling them to go to hell...
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Mar 16:15 And He said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mark 16:15, 16

Eze 3:17 Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me.

Eze 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked [man] shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Eze 3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

Eze 3:20 Again, When a righteous [man] doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Eze 3:21 Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous [man], that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul. Ezekiel 3:17-21


132 posted on 11/12/2009 2:31:13 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: tlb
85 % of FR aren’t the trash slamming Mormons at every opportunity.

Ha ha!

More examples of a frog calling someone ugly!

133 posted on 11/12/2009 2:38:19 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: tlb

85 % of FR aren’t the trash slamming Mormons
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Well thats true 85% or more of FR dont slam trash like them there mormons do...

Speaking of 85% of anyone...85% of the mormons in FR have gone underground...

Nothing to say....

The Morg have come out of the closet and are now supporting gay rights ...

Reasons ???

1 Money

2. Money

3. Money


134 posted on 11/12/2009 3:34:36 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana; restornu

...85% of the mormons in FR have gone underground...

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Yeah, I miss Resty. :( And even butting heads with OMM.


135 posted on 11/12/2009 5:53:22 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut; Salvation

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day SaintsStatement Given to Salt Lake City Council on Nondiscrimination Ordinances

SALT LAKE CITY 10 November 2009 The following statement representing the position of the Church’s leadership, was read by Michael Otterson, managing director of Church Public Affairs, as part of a public comment period discussing the ordinances at a Salt Lake City Council meeting 10 November 2009:

Good evening.

My name is Michael Otterson, and I am here tonight officially representing The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The nondiscrimination ordinances being reviewed by the city council concern important questions for the people of this community.

Like most of America, our community in Salt Lake City is comprised of citizens of different faiths and values, different races and cultures, different political views and divergent demographics. Across America and around the world, diverse communities such as ours are wrestling with complex social and moral questions. People often feel strongly about such issues. Sometimes they feel so strongly that the ways in which they relate to one another seem to strain the fabric of our society, especially where the interests of one group seem to collide with the interests of another.

The issues before you tonight are the right of people to have a roof over their heads and the right to work without being discriminated against. But, importantly, the ordinances also attempt to balance vital issues of religious freedom. In essence, the Church agrees with the approach which Mayor Becker is taking on this matter.

In drafting these ordinances, the city has granted common-sense rights that should be available to everyone, while safeguarding the crucial rights of religious organizations, for example, in their hiring of people whose lives are in harmony with their tenets, or when providing housing for their university students and others that preserve religious requirements.

The Church supports these ordinances because they are fair and reasonable and do not do violence to the institution of marriage. They are also entirely consistent with the Church’s *prior position on these matters. The Church remains unequivocally committed to defending the bedrock foundation of marriage between a man and a woman.

I represent a church that believes in human dignity, in treating others with respect even when we disagree – in fact, especially when we disagree. The Church’s past statements are on the public record for all to see. In these comments and in our actions, we try to follow what Jesus Christ taught. Our language will always be respectful and acknowledge those who differ, but will also be clear on matters that we feel are of great consequence to our society. Thank you.

*The Divine Institution of Marriage
http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/commentary/the-divine-institution-of-marriage

http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/news-releases-stories/statement-given-to-salt-lake-city-council-on-nondiscrimination-ordinances


136 posted on 11/12/2009 6:56:57 PM PST by restornu (A humble people of the Lord is stronger than the all wicked warriors of the World)
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To: Fee
Before you complain about the mote in your brother’s eye, remove the plank that is in your eye.

I am not homosexual, and I am not trying to subvert public morality, get into the schools, and seduce schoolchildren. I am not trying to scandalize society and suppress criticism of public lewdness and perversion. I am not, in short, part of the problem.

So go stuff yourself.

137 posted on 11/13/2009 12:22:08 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Elsie
You might also check the Epistle of Jude (to the Hebrews), v. 5-6 ff.
138 posted on 11/13/2009 12:28:15 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

I guess if one can rationalize polygamy, homosexuality isn’t that big of deal,...at least as long as one goes through a ceremony sealing the commitment to the relationship.

Then again, if Mormons disallow polygamy, but allow homosexuality, then are serious bestiality lovers allowable,..so long as they have public commitment?

If so confused as to their real commitment.


139 posted on 11/13/2009 12:35:01 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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