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Let's restore civility to the debate on evolution and intelligent design
Washington Examiner ^ | 11/13/2009 | Casey Luskin

Posted on 11/14/2009 8:48:19 AM PST by SeekAndFind

In his new book, “The Greatest Show on Earth,” biologist Richard Dawkins brands those who doubt Charles Darwin’s ideas on evolution as “history deniers,” even stooping to compare them to “Holocaust deniers.”

In today’s highly charged political climate, scientific debates over controversial subjects such as climate change and evolution increasingly substitute such overblown rhetoric for careful analysis.

We commonly see one side depicting the other as not only wrong, but as unreasonable, irrational, or immoral. As a result, two terms are presently in vogue to describe those who question scientific ideas: “Skeptic” and “Denier.”

In practice, the terms have virtually the same meaning – a person who questions an idea - but vastly different connotations are associated with each. “Skeptic” is used when one wants to sound like a critical thinker, portraying oneself as a rogue academic who bucks the trend in order to break new ground.

In contrast, “denier” has all kinds of pernicious connotations and is used to dismiss critics as close-minded, relying on sinister motives to reject some obvious fact.

These connotations often slip by unnoticed, subconsciously shaping public perceptions of an issue. They are powerful tools of persuasion in our conformist culture, where everyone wants to be a chic, hip, and intelligent skeptic, but no one wants to be a clumsy, dimwitted, or even worse, morally deficient denier.

To be sure there are deniers of certain recent historical facts who hold unquestionably false and abhorrent views. But evolutionists abuse those connotations when co-opting the denier rhetoric into the debate over intelligent design (ID).

Dawkins’ latest diatribe notwithstanding, examples of this rhetoric abound. In an oped published by The Los Angeles Times in 2007, Chris Mooney and Alan Sokal gloated that, “Antibiotic-resistant bacteria do not spare deniers of evolution.”

P.Z. Myers, an outspoken evolutionary biologist, calls pro-ID biochemist Michael Behe an “evolution-denier who claims that there is no evidence for evolution.”

I submit that labels like “denier” are meaningless, conversation-stopping terms. The only information they convey is that the person levying the insult is so supremely intolerant (and unconfident) that they must assert that anyone who disagrees is in denial.

Scientists who challenge Darwin do not discard all of his ideas. No serious “evolution denier” disagrees that natural selection is a real force, and that antibiotic resistance must be fought by modern medicine.

Rather, scientists like Behe observe that the only way to combat anti-biotic resistance is to intelligently design drug cocktails based upon the fact that there are limits to evolutionary change.

Behe is not alone in his views. Over 800 Ph.D. scientists have courageously signed a “Scientific Dissent from Darwinism,” declaring that they are “skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life.”

Such scientists commonly cite the inability of blind and unguided Darwinian mechanisms to generate complex cellular machinery and the billions of bits of language-based information encoded in our DNA.

As one signatory, Stephen C. Meyer, argues in his new book, “Signature in the Cell,” the discovery of the specified digital information in the DNA molecule provides strong grounds for inferring that intelligence played a role in the origin of DNA.

In place of rhetorically charged labels like denier, I suggest using more civil terms like “critic” or “skeptic,” even when describing one's opponents. ID proponents are critics of Darwinian evolution.

And many evolutionary scientists are skeptics or critics of ID. Such terms accurately reflect that both sides have serious scientific reasons for their positions.

Once the rhetoric is toned down, perhaps we can have a real discussion about the evidence and find out which side’s skepticism is most convincing in this intriguing debate.

-- Casey Luskin is an attorney with the Discovery Institute, working in public policy and legal affairs.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creation; darwin; evolution; intelligentdesign; scientism
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To: EveningStar
Quite a few folks on that side try to conflate subscribers to evolution with atheism.

I suppose it's a no-brain way to wave off dissenting opinions.

Kind of like someone crying "you're a DU troll!" due to a differing opinion.

It's easy, it costs nothing in terms of thought and there isn't a logical response to it.

21 posted on 11/14/2009 9:59:22 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: SeekAndFind
No serious “evolution denier” disagrees that natural selection is a real force, and that antibiotic resistance must be fought by modern medicine.

I see posts that deny natural selection every day here.

22 posted on 11/14/2009 10:06:25 AM PST by DManA
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To: Psycho_Bunny
'I'm confused at how trying to objectively figure something out is more arrogant than "knowing it, and that's that"'

Are you saying Darwinists say, "I know it, and that's that" or are you saying Creationists say that. Darwinist know for certain that everything happened the way they say, and if you disagree your called ignorant of science.
23 posted on 11/14/2009 11:26:42 AM PST by Jaime2099 (Human Evolution and the God of the Bible are not compatible)
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To: HospiceNurse

800 phds disagree
80,000 phds agree
but your point is appreciated.


24 posted on 11/14/2009 11:44:00 AM PST by genghis
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To: SeekAndFind

“Let’s restore civility to the debate on evolution and intelligent design”

“Civility” ?

What fellowship hath Christ with Baal?


25 posted on 11/14/2009 11:44:50 AM PST by RoadTest ( For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. - I Cor. 3:11)
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To: freedumb2003

“>>No Darwinist has ever produced scientific evidence that shows random mutations can create such a vast array of wonder and magnitude.<<

And you know this how?”

Believe me, it would jammed in our faces by the aetheistic mass media! We’d know it instantly.


26 posted on 11/14/2009 11:47:02 AM PST by RoadTest ( For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. - I Cor. 3:11)
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To: HospiceNurse
Unless and until ID proponents produce actual scientific results. FR will be the only place they are taken seriously.

And on FR only by a couple such as metmom and GGG. Yes metmom. I didn't do a courtesy ping.

27 posted on 11/14/2009 11:49:23 AM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: freedumb2003

The problem is the anti-evolutionists want to replace science with debate.


28 posted on 11/14/2009 11:50:38 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: RoadTest; Jaime2099

>>Believe me, it would jammed in our faces by the aetheistic mass media! We’d know it instantly.<<

We would indeed, since TToE dies not say that random mutations are involved.

That is why I want to know where the OP gets his idea.


29 posted on 11/14/2009 11:54:37 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Moonman62

The more I study this matter (and I have read a lot on both sides of the issue), the more I am convinced that Thomas Jefferson had it right from the beginning.


30 posted on 11/14/2009 11:55:18 AM PST by DavidAccord
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To: Jaime2099

>>Darwinist know for certain that everything happened the way they say, and if you disagree your called ignorant of science. <<

Since that isn’t what anthropologists (and others in the life sciences) say, it must be Creationists.

For someone so vehemently opinionated, you sure do have all your facts wrong.


31 posted on 11/14/2009 11:58:04 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Jaime2099

“Are you saying Darwinists say, “I know it, and that’s that” or are you saying Creationists say that. Darwinist know for certain that everything happened the way they say, and if you disagree your called ignorant of science.”

—To find absolute certainty and self assurance, it’s best to go to Creationists. Even Darwinists like Dawkins and Gould have room for doubt.

“Moreover, “fact” doesn’t mean “absolute certainty”; there ain’t no such animal in an exciting and complex world. The final proofs of logic and mathematics flow deductively from stated premises and achieve certainty only because they are not about the empirical world. Evolutionists make no claim for perpetual truth, though creationists often do (and then attack us falsely for a style of argument that they themselves favor). In science “fact” can only mean “confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional consent.”” –Gould

“Darwin may be triumphant at the end of the twentieth century, but we must acknowledge the possibility that new facts may come to light which will force our successors of the twenty-first century to abandon Darwinism or modify it beyond recognition.” -Dawkins


32 posted on 11/14/2009 12:25:22 PM PST by goodusername
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To: Riodacat

Thanks.


33 posted on 11/14/2009 1:01:26 PM PST by BipolarBob (Thailand?)
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To: goodusername
"Evolutionists make no claim for perpetual truth, though creationists often do (and then attack us falsely for a style of argument that they themselves favor)."

You are sympathetic at best to Darwinism and delusional at worst. You paint a picture that is much too bright and cheery then the average Darwinists. Most would never accept Biblical Creationism under any circumstance. They are far from open minded in their beliefs.

"Evolutionists make no claim for perpetual truth, though creationists often do"

This is completely false. If anyone questions evolution in anyway academically they are mocked as Luddites, science ignorant, uneducated, or called a lunatic. You live in a dream world if you think Darwinists are open minded.

'“Darwin may be triumphant at the end of the twentieth century, but we must acknowledge the possibility that new facts may come to light which will force our successors of the twenty-first century to abandon Darwinism or modify it beyond recognition.” -Dawkins '

Really Mr. Dawkins? What if the scientific evidence shows that the Bible is right, the earth is too young to allow for vast evolutions, and all species did not evolve from one? What if the evidence shows that human simply were always humans and never evolved from any other species or living thing? Would you embrace it? I seriously doubt it.
34 posted on 11/14/2009 2:21:25 PM PST by Jaime2099 (Human Evolution and the God of the Bible are not compatible)
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To: Jaime2099
What if the scientific evidence shows that the Bible is right,

What scientific evidence would you accept showing the Bible is wrong?

35 posted on 11/14/2009 3:29:22 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Since it does not affect my life, I do not give a damn. lol
36 posted on 11/14/2009 3:35:11 PM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yet another Evolution vs. Creation thread to divide and conquer. That, even though the article attempts an end to the division. “Fellow conservatives in-fighting on FR” headlines on DU would be so globally warming.

Both belief systems take faith that is only partially supported by science. We all should pay attention to the discoveries the differing camps reveal. If for no other reason than to twist it into our own agendas. 8^)


37 posted on 11/14/2009 4:15:09 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (I forget the last time I made a mistake. It's handy. ><BCC> NRA)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
How about 3 chimps having a conversation on the orign of life? When I see that I'll become a believer in evolution.


38 posted on 11/14/2009 4:21:27 PM PST by WhatNot ( Healthcare Bill-the other man-made object large enough to be seen from outer-space.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
"What scientific evidence would you accept showing the Bible is wrong?"

If scientists can prove Human Evolution using science, then they can say without a doubt that the Bible is wrong. They have not done it, and I am confident they never will.
39 posted on 11/14/2009 5:42:05 PM PST by Jaime2099 (Human Evolution and the God of the Bible are not compatible)
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To: SeekAndFind; All

You can’t be “civil” with EVIL or it will kill you!!

When are people going to get it ..??


40 posted on 11/14/2009 7:53:29 PM PST by CyberAnt (Michael Yon: "The U.S. military is the most respected institution in Iraq.")
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