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2 new lawsuits to save S.F. Bay-delta smelt
SFGate.com ^ | 11/15/09 | Bob Egelko

Posted on 11/15/2009 10:17:41 AM PST by NormsRevenge

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To: azkathy

Thank You so much for doing this azkathy and thank everyone else as well.


21 posted on 11/15/2009 11:57:04 AM PST by afnamvet
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To: stboz

LOL


22 posted on 11/15/2009 11:58:11 AM PST by afnamvet
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To: afnamvet

We ALL need to support the CA farmers, I believe they supply approximately 25% of our food source. (I may be wrong on that percentage but no time to look it up now.)

No need to thank me, just invite everyone you know from AZ to attend! :)


23 posted on 11/15/2009 12:12:13 PM PST by azkathy (OBAMA IS WEARING OUT MY CAPS LOCK!!!)
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To: stormer
OK. And D) The Delta smelt is actually Hypomesus transpacificus, a separate species from the longfin. E) Invasive species such as largemouth bass are major contributors to the delta smelt decline.

The water issues should be more open to the voters, and if they reject a Peripheral Canal initiative like they did in 1982, so be it.

Unfortunately, the more complex the technical issues become, the more power is taken away from citizens by the makers of regulations, who get to define what a species and a habitat are, and judges who uphold the definitions.

24 posted on 11/15/2009 1:41:38 PM PST by rfp1234 (R.I.P. Scotty 7/2007-11/2009.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
You smelt it, you delta it?

(rimshot)

I nominate this for Post of the Day.

25 posted on 11/15/2009 1:43:25 PM PST by rfp1234 (R.I.P. Scotty 7/2007-11/2009.)
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To: azkathy
We are having a TEA party in Mesa, AZ in support of the CA farmers. Mesa Municipal Complex, 55 N Center St, Mesa, AZ 85211-East lawn across from the library.

No, you canna have no tea party!! The Gila trout needs alla the water you waste on tea!

26 posted on 11/15/2009 3:19:28 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: afnamvet; LucyT

EPA Lawyers: Cap-And-Trade ‘Fatally Flawed’

Ping to number 20


27 posted on 11/15/2009 4:02:57 PM PST by azkathy (OBAMA IS WEARING OUT MY CAPS LOCK!!!)
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To: ApplegateRanch

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2384316/posts

Actually Number 20 on the above thread


28 posted on 11/15/2009 4:04:51 PM PST by azkathy (OBAMA IS WEARING OUT MY CAPS LOCK!!!)
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To: rfp1234
Ecological issues can be extremely complicated. Invasive species represent a disproportionate and growing threat and should be vigorously attacked. Unfortunately, too many invasives, too little time and resource. Big debate in the ecological community involves what amounts to triage - not where we want to be.
29 posted on 11/15/2009 6:42:48 PM PST by stormer
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To: NormsRevenge
Are they getting rid of the striped bass, an exotic fish that eats smelt?

No. Urban fishermen would scream.

Are they adding turbidity to the water so that the smelt can hide from the bass?

No, the opposite. Urbanites want a "clean" river.

Are they shifting cities to composting toilets so that the outfall from treatment plants doesn't kill them?

No, the opposite. Urbanites don't want to deal with composting toilets.

Are they getting rid of the exotic smelt that is cross-breeding and hybridizing them?

Probably not possible. Urbanites love cheap imported goods and won't do a damned thing about controlling such introductions.

See a pattern?

30 posted on 11/16/2009 7:00:43 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Islam offers three choices: surrender, fight, or die.)
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To: Ben Ficklin; Jeff Head
See above. Our enviro-heroes are at it again.

Peter needs a moyel.

31 posted on 11/16/2009 7:22:57 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Islam offers three choices: surrender, fight, or die.)
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To: Carry_Okie
You left out run-off pollution aka non-point pollution.

Agri-chemicals from the farm field.

And don't forget residential run off. Harry homeowner buys a lot of Round-Up herbicide from Walmart to control the weeds while Chem-lawn applies reaidential product even if rain is imminent.

Not to mention those individuals who pee while swimming in the river or bay.

32 posted on 11/16/2009 9:06:21 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Carry_Okie

And don’t forget Bubba’s Body Shop. It costs a lot of money to have scrap paint hauled off. Its cheaper to dump it in that ravine behind the shop.


33 posted on 11/16/2009 9:09:50 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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You left out run-off pollution aka non-point pollution.

Quite deliberately. When the Central Valley was principally farms the smelt were doing fine. The reason is nutrient provided the algal turbidity and food the smelt need.

But don't let the meme get in your way.

And don't forget residential run off. Harry homeowner buys a lot of Round-Up herbicide from Walmart to control the weeds while Chem-lawn applies reaidential product even if rain is imminent.

To my knowledge, glyphosate is completely benign as regards fish. There are questions about the surfactants in RoundUp, but there are plentiful natural analogues that are just as powerful, particularly on Pseudomonas bacteria.

But don't let the meme get in your way when it comes to a power grab.

Not to mention those individuals who pee while swimming in the river or bay.

This one is downright hilarious. A river easily consumes that much nitrate, but if you get your way, it will have insufficient concentrations to support smolts at all. That way, the bureaucrats can remain in power forever!

34 posted on 11/16/2009 9:13:31 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Islam offers three choices: surrender, fight, or die.)
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To: Carry_Okie
The rule of thumb is "when it rains, everyone dumps".

Been there, done that.

35 posted on 11/16/2009 9:28:23 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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