Posted on 11/18/2009 9:13:37 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
The only good news? “Relatively soon” in geological terms can be a very, very long time. Unless 2012 really does bring us to the end of time!
Booga booga.
Talk about people drifting a part! This rift is opening up quicker then the Incredible Hulk's shirt seams.
However there is a bright side to this: This would be a good time to buy beach front property while it's cheap.
And it isn't just how they “see” things, it is, by their own words, how they describe them.
The Big Bang, thought by many Christians to be evidentiary support for the Biblical concept of the universe having an actual physical beginning (many thought the universe eternal), has been described by Creationists as “evolutionary Big Bang theory”, because it contradicts their timeline. I don't remember Astronomers factoring in Biological evolution through natural selection of genetic variation into their tabulations; but there you have it.
More creat BS. The San Andreas Fault in the 1906 quake. moved about 10 feet.
None of this is new. More crap.
Isn’t uniformitarianism declaring that all changes occur in a slow uniform pace? Whatever we see happening now can be extrapolated for all periods of time, right?!
Not based in reality but that’s OK since it fits w/ the evolutionary paradigm.
You left out New Orleans.
Since we are dealing in the historical sciences, we are also dealing with multiple competing hypothesis. As such, we now know that massive trenches can open up in a geologic blink of an eye; which, as the article points out, weakens the uniformitarian gradualism of Charles Lyll, and stengthens the catastrophic plate tectonics model (based, as it is, on a young, universal flood model).
Scientists seem to be easily astonished and astonished by an awful lot.
I guess that means that they don't know as much as they think they do.
Nobody said it did. What is showed is that you can't count on everything happening the way it was once thought to.
It casts doubt on previously held assumptions, making them less tenable for support of any theory.
Well, interesting that they all have Flood accounts.
It could be because they are all based on the same event.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!
Interesting that you take an evos word for how creationists *see* things.
Do you always go by rumor and word of mouth?
Or did you ever think of checking with creationists themselves instead of accepting a biased take on something?
Nope, lets assume we have periods that are 10 times that amount and periods that are 1/10th that amount, hell even 100 times that amount.. you still don’t get to 6000 years, its laughable. My statements didn’t require absolute uniformity, they pointed out that if you had averaged movements of the highest amounts ever seen, its still 14+ MILLION YEARS.. some years you might get many times this amount of movement and other years likely fractions of it... but if you use the higest ever recorded to date as the average, you still get 14 Million+ years. Even by a factor of 10 you are at 1.4 Million years, hell a factor of 100, is still 140,000 years.. there is no way you get to the foolish earth is 6000 years old nonsense.
I’m using the largest movement recorded to date and extrapolating it out.. if you want to talk uniformity, you’d have to average that 2.25 inches per month against all the months over the last 100+ years of directly observable data, and millions of years of extrapolated data, we have data on the rift valley movements of micrometers per year of exact and estimates. None show any sort of plate movement anywhere on the earth that measures anywhwere close to 100 miles + per month.
Hell even if we have movements 10 or 100 times the largest amount recorded for periods of time, you still can’t get plates moving from rift to subduction over thousands of miles in MONTHS.. its laughable.
I’m actually given your argument the benefit of the doubt by using this first observed highest ever recording the average over time. When in reality the movement over time on average has been much much smaller than this when averaged out.
Plates don’t move thousands of miles in months, lets imagine if we will the forces along the subduction zone if a plate was SUBDUCTING at a rate of 100 miles per month.. which is the rate the theory you are trying to defend would require to move from rift to subduction in MONTHS even over the shortest distances between undersea rifts and continental plates.
Sorry, but there is no way you get to a few thousand year old earth by any reasonable analysis of any known observable facts.
I'd classify Evolution as a scientific account of a system of natural phenomena; aka "history."
Creationism, however, is neither science or history; it is a doctrine without allowance for skeptical or scientific questioning.
“The new study, published in the latest issue of Geophysical Research Letters, suggests that the highly active volcanic boundaries along the edges of tectonic ocean plates may suddenly break apart in large sections, instead of little by little as has been predominantly believed........
Seafloor ridges are made up of sections, each of which can be hundreds of miles long. Because of this study, we now know that each one of those segments can tear open in a just a few days.”
It seems that though the normal opening up of areas like the Great Rift Valley are rather slow, volcanic activity can speed up the process over a great distance to just days.
So calculating the pace of a tortoise is fine unless he is punted some distance along every so often.
Utter nonsense. This is the kind of stuff that makes Bible believers (like me) seem foolish.
Thanks for the ping!
Darwin wrote to Lyell in excitement of witnessing a massive earthquake in Chile and seeing the ground rise over 10 feet instantly – as evidence of uniformitarianism. This is what uniformitarianism predicts – known forces, like earthquakes, moving the earth little by little, 10-20 feet at times. This rift is about 20 feet at its widest. If it were, say, 20 miles wide, or 200 miles, than maybe ‘catastrophists’ would have a point.
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