Posted on 11/21/2009 7:01:41 AM PST by UncleVanya
MILLION HIT BY 'PLAGUE WORSE THAN SWINE FLU'
Sunday November 15,2009 By Greg Miskiw
A DEADLY plague could sweep across Europe, doctors fear, after an outbreak of a virus in Ukraine plunged the country and its neighbours into a state of panic.
A cocktail of three flu viruses are reported to have mutated into a single pneumonic plague, which it is believed may be far more dangerous than swine flu. The death toll has reached 189 and more than 1 million people have been infected, most of them in the nine regions of Western Ukraine.
President of Ukraine Viktor Yushchenko has called in the World Health Organisation and a team of nine specialists are carrying out tests in Kiev and Lviv to identify the virus. Samples have been sent to London for analysis.
President Yushchenko said: “People are dying. The epidemic is killing doctors. This is absolutely inconceivable in the 21st Century.”
In a TV interview, the President added: “Unlike similar epidemics in other countries, three causes of serious viral infections came together simultaneously in Ukraine – two seasonal flus and the Californian flu
“Virologists conclude that this combination of infections may produce an even more aggressive new virus as a result of mutation.”
Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko has been touring hospitals where victims are being treated and presidential elections in January could be cancelled .
Four men and one woman have died from the flu in Lviv, said emergency hospital chief doctor Myron Borysevych. Two of the dead patients were in the 22-35 age group, with two others over 60. He diagnosed the disease as viral pneumonia.
“We have sent the analyses to Kiev. We don’t believe it’s H1N1 swine flu. Neither do we know what kind of pneumonia it is.”
Universities, schools and kindergartens have been closed, public meetings have been banned and theatres shut. Last week several border crossings in the country were also closed.
Last night reports emerged of profiteering over face masks, which have sold out since the outbreak. There are also incidents of anti-virus medication being sold for exorbitant prices. A spokesman for the World Health Organisation said: “We do not have a time scale for the results of the tests in London, although some preliminary results have been obtained. I cannot tell you what they are.
“We did not have enough of the virus samples so we will have to grow some more before we can come to a conclusive decision about its nature.”
Neighbouring Poland has called on the EU to take action, fearing the mystery virus may spread westwards.
Prime Minister Donald Tusk has written to European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso and the Swedish Prime Minister, Fredrik Reinfeldt, who holds the EU presidency, saying: “The character of this threat demands that rapid action be undertaken at the European Union level.”
Russia, Slovakia, Poland, Hungary and Romania, countries that border Ukraine, have already launched health checks on Ukrainians entering their territory.
Slovakia has closed two of five border crossings.
A doctor in Western Ukraine who did not want to be named, said:” We have carried out post mortems on two victims and found their lungs are as black as charcoal.
“They look like they have been burned. It’s terrifying.”
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SPANISH FLU SYMPTOMS
19.11.09, 12:22am This virus is similar to the Spanish flu. Lungs start bleeding till victim cannot get enough air. Scientists exhumed Sapnish flu victims to rebuld the virus so that they could prepare a defence (vaccination?) should another pandemic occur. PS. Vaccines are dangerous - swine flu vaccines (and ordinary flu incidentally) have damaged and killed more people than the swine flu itself.
• Posted by: AnthonyRose •
OUTBREAK PREDICTED IN AUGUST - MOSHE ARRESTED BY FBI
19.11.09, 12:10am
I am a computer programmer with a B.Sc. degree in Biochemistry. I am anti-hoaxes and am very careful about them. But there is extremely convincing evidence (see August 16-21 below) that this virus is a bio-weapon.
August 12
Somebody from L.A. called Dr. Ott of Republican radio (off the air) and claimed that they had proof that the pandemic flu was reverse engineered at Ft. Detrick, Md - and then mass-produced in bio-weapons labs in the Ukraine - and that a more virulent strain would be released in November in the Ukraine.
Dr. Ott advised him to take his evidence to a U.S. Attorney at the L.A. Federal Bldg. and then call him back. He or Dr. Bill Deagle from San Diego would then follow up.
I have personally confirmed with Dr. Ott that this call took place. Most of the above is a direct quote from his email.
August 13
The following day, a Joseph Moshe was arrested following a chase and 9 hour standoff in his car in front of the L.A. Federal Bldg.
According to the FBI he had made a bomb threat against the White House (from L.A.?) and was wanted for two misdemeanours for verbal abuse of his mother. Odd things about the arrest were a) the preparedness and amount of force (they used a magnetic ulse to disable his car), and b) the ability of Moshe to withstand 4 cans of teargas and pepper spray - video here: huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/14/man-suspected-of-making-t_n_259330.html
Then the FBI destroyed his car.
I have not found out whether this is the same Joseph Bar-Moshe who is/was an Israeli-American microbiologist working in viral genetics: biomedexperts.com/Profile.bme/78637/Moshe_Bar-Joseph August 16-21.
There are comments on news pages by the public DATED IN AUGUST, PREDICTING this Ukrainian outbreak in late October/November. The Huffington Post link above is one of them.
October 29,31
Unverified - Reports of light airplanes spraying aerosols over some Ukrainian cities
November 4
Unverified - Reports of pressure to refer to all this as "swine flu"
November 18
After two weeks of not revealing the gene sequencing the WHO is referring to this as standard swine flu (of which less people die than standard flu), despite massive differences, paticularly rate of infection and the lungs being destroyed. Experts strongly disagree. There is evidence of collusion between WHO and big pharmaceuticals: Mexican Swine Flu Outbreak 2009:
SPECIAL REPORT by Dr Leonard Horowitz - youtube.com/watch?v=GBeKB7aKzOs
1982-2009
Over 90 scientists esp. microbiologists have died, most in suspicious ways. 26 in 2004. Here's one example: "Just four days after Dr. Que fell unconscious came the mysterious disappearance of Don Wiley, 57, ... an expert on how the immune system responds to viral attacks such as the classic doomsday plagues of HIV, ebola and influenza. He had just bought tickets to take his son to Graceland the following day. Police found his rental car on a bridge outside Memphis, Tenn. His body was later found in the Mississippi River. Forensic experts said he may have had a dizzy spell and have fallen off the bridge."
Why release a plague?
There are at least 3 possible believable motives: 1) De-population 2) Coup through martial law 3) Profit
• Posted by: AnthonyRose
SINE FLU & CLIMATE CHANGE - COPENHAGEN
18.11.09, 3:26pm
the Copenhagen meeting on Climate Change which should consider the physiological as well as the physical dangers which may confront us. You may have seen my views on the subject at www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/climatechange_grunhausproject.pdf Which has never been challenged yet !!
see also http://blogs.healthfreedomalliance.org/blog/category/pandemic/ukraine/ which is updated daily also http://thebirdflupandemic.com/archives/1-25-million-contract-mystery-flu-in-ukraine-as-flu-cases-spike-in-russia-belarus-bulgaria-serbia-norway-india-and-canada and http://labvirus.wordpress.com/
• Posted by: ferrand
H1N1 VIRUS CAN BE KILLED BY ACIDIC OZONE WATER
18.11.09, 3:51am
Scientists have found that acidic ozone water can effectively kill H1N1 viruses, with the advantages that it leaves no environmentally harmful residue and is inexpensive to prepare & it most probably kills this strain also...
ref.: http://www.physorg.com/news176991361.html
• Posted by: tsunamix
UPDATE
17.11.09, 7:55pm
Read it here>http://www.unfictional.com/joseph-moshe-mossad-bioweapon-swine-flu-vaccine-westwood
Today, the MSM are not talking about this case any more. Yesterday, they wanted us to believe that Joseph Moshe was a nutcase and a terrorist, arrested for threatening to bomb the White House. Interesting detail about his arrest (the “Westwood standoff”) was that he seemed to be immune to the 5 cans of tear gas and 5 gallons of law-enforcement grade pepper spray they pumped into his face. He very calmly remained in his car, as the video footage of his arrest shows.
Professor Moshe had called into a live radio show by Dr. A. True Ott, (explanation of Joseph Moshe’s call at 06:00) broadcast on Republic Broadcasting claiming to be a microbiologist who wanted to supply evidence to a States Attorney regarding tainted H1N1 Swine flu vaccines being produced by Baxter BioPharma Solutions. He said that Baxter’s Ukrainian lab was in fact producing a bioweapon disguised as a vaccine. He claimed that the vaccine contained an adjuvant (additive) designed to weaken the immune system, and replicated RNA from the virus responsible for the 1918 pandemic Spanish flu, causing global sickness and mass death.
• Posted by: adnetjm •
I SAW THIS VIDEO!
17.11.09, 7:48pm
Joseph moshe was about to blow the whistle on the mass genocide program concerning vaccine that is now under way with live virus's in it, all different also coming from china I head. He spoke of how they would test a live virus in the ukraine and then ship it to the usa... Look up his name. Or go see video. We will see if this is hype or real. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp4Y5GPbSbk
• Posted by: adnetjm
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Other sources:
Even the Obamanite leftwing had to report
Evidence of intentional engineering?
Joseph Moshe (MOSSAD Microbiologist): “Swine flu vaccine is bioweapon” - includes following:
Does this sound like an insane conspiracy theory? Sure it does. Due to the scarcity and anonimity of the sources we would dismiss it as exactly that, if it weren’t for some uncomfortable facts: Baxter Pharmaceutical has been caught, red-handed, in spreading a live, genetically engineered H5N1 Bird flu vaccine as a lethal biological weapon all over the world, destined to be used for human vaccinations. This happened just a few months ago. And only luck prevented a global catastrophe of epic proportions.Baxter International Inc. had mixed live, genetically engineered avian flue viruses in vaccine material shipped to 18 countries. Only by sheer luck, a Czech laboratory decided to test the vaccine on a dozen ferrets, which all died in days. The World Health Organization was notified and catastrophe was averted. This was clearly a deliberate act on Baxter’s part, because they adhere to BS3, bio-safety level three. Baxter admitted a “mistake”. Such monumental screwups are totally impossible at that level. Many safety systems would have needed to be sabotaged, many key personell would have needed to be bribed. It simply can’t be done without direction from the inside. They did not send out the wrong vial – they produced dozens of gallons of biological-weapon agent (genetically engineered live H5N1 / Bird flu virus), then sent it out as a “vaccine”.
Baxter knew full well that their vaccine was lethal, because the year before they had tested it on a few hundred homeless Polish people – dozens died as a result.
H1N1 UKRANIAN MUTATION - THE FULL STORY - H1N1 VACCINE IS A BIOWEAPON - AND HERES THE PROOF
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http://www.biomedexperts.com/start/PersonDetailpage.aspx?pid=78637
NOTE: REQUIRES CREATING ACCOUNT, SO PART OF BIO SHOWN HERE FOR YOUR CONVENIENCE. OBVIOUSLY, MR. MOSHE IS MORE THAN A CASUAL BY-STANDER WITH NO KNOWLEDGE OF BIOWAR AND RELATED MATTERS.
Bar-Joseph, Moshe
Closterovirus; Citrus; Viral RNA; Viral Genome; Plant Viruses; Base Sequence
Publications:
# 2009: Tatineni Satyanarayana; Afunian Mohammad R; Gowda Siddarame; Hilf Mark E; Bar-Joseph Moshe; Dawson William O Characterization of the 5'- and 3'-terminal subgenomic RNAs produced by a capillovirus: Evidence for a CP subgenomic RNA. Virology 2009;385(2):521-8. Citrus Research and Education Center, University of Florida-IFAS, Lake Alfred, FL 33850, USA. Satyanarayana.tatineni@ars.usda.gov
# 2008: Tatineni Satyanarayana; Robertson Cecile J; Garnsey Stephen M; Bar-Joseph Moshe; Gowda Siddarame; Dawson William O Three genes of Citrus tristeza virus are dispensable for infection and movement throughout some varieties of citrus trees. Virology 2008;376(2):297-307. Citrus Research and Education Center, University of Florida, 700 Experiment Station Road, Lake Alfred, FL 33850, USA.
# 2007: Folimonov Alexey S; Folimonova Svetlana Y; Bar-Joseph Moshe; Dawson William O A stable RNA virus-based vector for citrus trees. Virology 2007;368(1):205-16. Department of Plant Pathology, University of Florida, Citrus Research and Education Center, 700 Experiment Station Road, Lake Alfred, FL 33850, USA.
# 2006: Batuman Ozgur; Mawassi Munir; Bar-Joseph Moshe Transgenes consisting of a dsRNA of an RNAi suppressor plus the 3' UTR provide resistance to Citrus tristeza virus sequences in Nicotiana benthamiana but not in citrus. Virus genes 2006;33(3):319-27. The S. Tolkowsky laboratory, The Virology Department, ARO, The Volcani Center, Bet Dagan, 50250, Israel.
# 2006: Cohen Oded; Batuman Ozgur; Stanbekova Gulshan; Sano Teruo; Mawassi Munir; Bar-Joseph Moshe Construction of a multiprobe for the simultaneous detection of viroids infecting citrus trees. Virus genes 2006;33(3):287-92. The S. Tolkowsky laboratory, Department of Virology , Volcani Center, ARO, Bet Dagan, Israel.
# 2004: Adams M J; Antoniw J F; Bar-Joseph M; Brunt A A; Candresse T; Foster G D; Martelli G P; Milne R G; Zavriev S K; Fauquet C M The new plant virus family Flexiviridae and assessment of molecular criteria for species demarcation. Archives of virology 2004;149(5):1045-60. Plant Pathogen Interactions Division, Rothamsted Research, Harpenden, Herts, UK. mike.adams@bbsrc.ac.uk
# 2003: Galiakparov Nurbol; Goszczynski Dariusz E; Che Xibing; Batuman Ozgur; Bar-Joseph Moshe; Mawassi Munir Two classes of subgenomic RNA of grapevine virus A produced by internal controller elements. Virology 2003;312(2):434-48. The S. Tolkowsky Laboratory, Department of Virology, Agricultural Research Organization, The Volcani Center, 50250 Bet Dagan, Israel.
# 2003: Che Xibing; Dawson William O; Bar-Joseph Moshe Defective RNAs of Citrus tristeza virus analogous to Crinivirus genomic RNAs. Virology 2003;310(2):298-309. The S. Tolkowsky Laboratory, Department of Virology, Agricultural Research Organization, the Volcani Center, Bet Dagan, Israel.
# 2003: Gowda Siddarame; Ayllón María A; Satyanarayana Tatineni; Bar-Joseph Moshe; Dawson William O Transcription strategy in a Closterovirus: a novel 5'-proximal controller element of Citrus Tristeza Virus produces 5'- and 3'-terminal subgenomic RNAs and differs from 3' open reading frame controller elements. Journal of virology 2003;77(1):340-52. Citrus Research and Education Center, University of Florida, Lake Alfred 33850, USA.
# 2002: Martelli G P; Agranovsky A A; Bar-Joseph M; Boscia D; Candresse T; Coutts R H A; Dolja V V; Falk B W; Gonsalves D; Jelkmann W; Karasev A V; Minafra A; Namba S; Vetten H J; Wisler G C; Yoshikawa N; The family Closteroviridae revised. Archives of virology 2002;147(10):2039-44.
# 2002: Che Xibing; Mawassi Munir; Bar-Joseph Moshe A novel class of large and infectious defective RNAs of Citrus tristeza virus. Virology 2002;298(1):133-45. The S. Tolkowsky Laboratory, Agricultural Research Organization, the Volcani Center, Bet Dagan, Israel.
# 2001: Che X; Piestun D; Mawassi M; Yang G; Satyanarayana T; Gowda S; Dawson W O; Bar-Joseph M 5'-coterminal subgenomic RNAs in citrus tristeza virus-infected cells. Virology 2001;283(2):374-81. The S. Tolkowsky Laboratory, Department of Virology, Agricultural Research Organization, The Volcani Center, Bet Dagan, Israel.
# 2001: Satyanarayana T; Bar-Joseph M; Mawassi M; Albiach-Martí M R; Ayllón M A; Gowda S; Hilf M E; Moreno P; Garnsey S M; Dawson W O Amplification of Citrus tristeza virus from a cDNA clone and infection of citrus trees. Virology 2001;280(1):87-96. Department of Plant Pathology, University of Florida, Citrus Research and Education Center, Lake Alfred, Florida 33850, USA.
# 2000: Gowda S; Satyanarayana T; Davis C L; Navas-Castillo J; Albiach-Martí M R; Mawassi M; Valkov N; Bar-Joseph M; Moreno P; Dawson W O The p20 gene product of Citrus tristeza virus accumulates in the amorphous inclusion bodies. Virology 2000;274(2):246-54. Department of Plant Pathology, University of Florida, Lake Alfred, Florida 33850, USA.
# 2000: Owens R A; Yang G; Gundersen-Rindal D; Hammond R W; Candresse T; Bar-Joseph M Both point mutation and RNA recombination contribute to the sequence diversity of citrus viroid III. Virus genes 2000;20(3):243-52. Molecular Plant Pathology, Beltsville Agricultural Research Center, Beltsville, MD 20705, USA. rowens@asrr.arsusda.gov
# 1999: Satyanarayana T; Gowda S; Boyko V P; Albiach-Marti M R; Mawassi M; Navas-Castillo J; Karasev A V; Dolja V; Hilf M E; Lewandowski D J; Moreno P; Bar-Joseph M; Garnsey S M; Dawson W O An engineered closterovirus RNA replicon and analysis of heterologous terminal sequences for replication. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America 1999;96(13):7433-8. Department of Plant Pathology, University of Florida, Citrus Research and Education Center, Lake Alfred, FL 33850, USA.
# 1999: Yang G; Che X; Gofman R; Ben-Shalom Y; Piestun D; Gafny R; Mawassi M; Bar-Joseph M D-RNA molecules associated with subisolates of the VT strain of citrus tristeza virus which induce different seedling-yellows reactions. Virus genes 1999;19(1):5-13. The S. Tolkowsky Laboratory, Department of Virology, Agricultural Research Organization, the Volcani Center, Bet Dagan, Israel.
# 1997: Yang G; Mawassi M; Gofman R; Gafny R; Bar-Joseph M Involvement of a subgenomic mRNA in the generation of a variable population of defective citrus tristeza virus molecules. Journal of virology 1997;71(12):9800-2. The S. Tolkowsky Laboratory, Department of Virology, Agricultural Research Organization, Bet Dagan, Israel.
# 1997: Bar-Joseph M; Filatov V; Gofman R; Guang Y; Hadjinicolis A; Mawassi M; Gootwine E; Weisman Y; Malkinson M Booster immunization with a partially purified citrus tristeza virus (CTV) preparation after priming with recombinant CTV coat protein enhances the binding capacity of capture antibodies by ELISA. Journal of virological methods 1997;67(1):19-22. Department of Virology, Israel Agricultural Research Organization, The Volcani Center, Bet Dagan. vpmbj@volcani.agri.gov.il
# 1997: Yang G; Mawassi M; Ashoulin L; Gafny R; Gaba V; Gal-On A; Bar-Joseph M A cDNA clone from a defective RNA of citrus tristeza virus is infective in the presence of the helper virus. The Journal of general virology 1997;78 ( Pt 7)():1765-9. S. Tolkowsky Laboratory, Department of Virology, A.R.O., Volcani Center, Bet Dagan, Israel.
# 1996: Mawassi M; Mietkiewska E; Gofman R; Yang G; Bar-Joseph M Unusual sequence relationships between two isolates of citrus tristeza virus. The Journal of general virology 1996;77 ( Pt 9)():2359-64. S. Tolkowsky Laboratory, Department of Virology, Volcani Center, Bet Dagan, Israel.
# 1995: Mawassi M; Mietkiewska E; Hilf M E; Ashoulin L; Karasev A V; Gafny R; Lee R F; Garnsey S M; Dawson W O; Bar-Joseph M Multiple species of defective RNAs in plants infected with citrus tristeza virus. Virology 1995;214(1):264-8. S. Tolkowsky Laboratory, Department of Virology, Agricultural Research Organization, Volcani Center, Bet Dagan, Israel.
# 1995: Mawassi M; Karasev A V; Mietkiewska E; Gafny R; Lee R F; Dawson W O; Bar-Joseph M Defective RNA molecules associated with citrus tristeza virus. Virology 1995;208(1):383-7. Department of Virology, Agricultural Research Organization, The Volcani Center, Bet Dagan, Israel.
# 1995: Mawassi M; Gafny R; Gagliardi D; Bar-Joseph M Populations of citrus tristeza virus contain smaller-than-full-length particles which encapsidate sub-genomic RNA molecules. The Journal of general virology 1995;76 ( Pt 3)():651-9. S. Tolkowsky Laboratory, Department of Virology, Volcani Center, Bet Dagan, Israel.
# 1993: Mawassi M; Gafny R; Bar-Joseph M Nucleotide sequence of the coat protein gene of citrus tristeza virus: comparison of biologically diverse isolates collected in Israel. Virus genes 1993;7(3):265-75. S. Tolkowsky Laboratory, A.R.O., Volcani Center, Bet Dagan, Israel.
# 1993: Mogilner N; Zutra D; Gafny R; Bar-Joseph M The persistence of engineered Agrobacterium tumefaciens in agroinfected plants. Molecular plant-microbe interactions : MPMI 1993;6(5):673-5. S. Tolkowsky Laboratory and Department of Plant Pathology, Agricultural Research Organization Volcani Center, Bet Dagan, Israel.
# 1989: Dulieu P; Bar-Joseph M Rapid isolation of double stranded RNA segments from disulphide crosslinked polyacrylamide gels. Journal of virological methods 1989;24(1-2):77-83. S. Tolkowsky Laboratory, Department of Virology, Volcani Center, Bet Dagan, Israel.
# 1980: Bar-Joseph M; Malkinson M Hen egg yolk as a source of antiviral antibodies in the enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA): a comparison of two plant viruses. Journal of virological methods 1980;1(3):179-83.
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Plague is a general term in the English dictionary. If you happen to have access to the dictionary they showed you in middle school, you can check it out. The reference to a pneuomonic plague is exactly correct in the nontechnical terms appropriate for a general readership newspaper, which was one of the sources cited. I find it interesting to see your earlier casual remarks about ‘whether the matter is true or not’ — but more intent on denigrating the intellect, motives and character of someone you’ve never met than addressing the substance of the articles. Your niggling for sophomore debating points distracts from the discussion. Perhaps that is your intention. Oh, by the way, if a “plague” of locusts flies through your campus, be sure to check whether they are mutating into Democrats.
Apparently the prime minister of the country doesn’t agree with you. But I’m sure if you send her a telegram, she along with the Ukrainian parliament, their health ministry that declared an emergency, and the surrounding countries who closed off border crossings will be greatly reassured that you think it’s all “bunk.”
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/International/2009/11/04/Ukraine-flu-outbreak-worries-EU-neighbors/UPI-70081257359934/
Ukraine flu outbreak worries EU neighbors
BRUSSELS, Nov. 4 (UPI) -- An explosive outbreak of influenza in Ukraine is worrying EU member nations that border it, observers say. Kiev has issued a call for international help in obtaining anti-viral drugs, saying 71 people have died in the past week and another 240 people hospitalized in serious condition among more than 250,000 reported cases of flu-like infection, the EUobserver reported Wednesday. The publication said blood tests have not confirmed the presence of the H1N1 variety known as "swine flu," but the rapid pace of the infections have prompted a high level of concern among Ukraine's neighbors. "The priority is to obtain the Tamiflu anti-viral drug, as well as antibiotics, respirators, protective masks and test kits for identifying the A/H1N1 virus," the Ukrainian government said in a statement Wednesday. EU countries such as Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania that share land borders with Ukraine are worried, and are offering help. The EUobserver reported that Polish newspapers are saying Slovakia has already sent 200,000 protective masks to Ukraine. Warsaw is also reportedly concerned about the flu situation in Belarus because of that country's closed, authoritarian government. The publication said critics contend Belarus is concealing a large flu outbreak.
1. Do you have any nifty explanations, perhaps even backed up by factual citations, for why Baxter International, Inc. mixed live, genetically engineered avian flu viruses in vaccine material shipped to 18 countries? A "mistake" that is virtually unknown in a bio-safety three facility with numerous key safety systems that would have had to be breached? Can you address with any real authority or experience the allegation: "It simply can’t be done without direction from the inside. They did not send out the wrong vial – they produced dozens of gallons of biological-weapon agent (genetically engineered live H5N1 / Bird flu virus), then sent it out as a “vaccine”."
Anything substantive to add to why Mr. Moshe, a microbiologist, was "gangbanged" by a brigade of cops after reporting that Baxter’s Ukrainian lab was in fact producing a bioweapon disguised as a vaccine. He claimed that the vaccine contained an adjuvant designed to weaken the immune system, and replicated RNA from the virus responsible for the 1918 pandemic Spanish flu, causing global sickness and mass death. Do you have any actual facts to illuminate this issue?
Or just personal put-downs of someone whose education, experience, motives and character you have not the least glimmer. If it's only the latter, I think most readers here understand your purpose. And honestly, we're much more interested in the two questions above, not your name-calling to distract from them.
What’s the “Californian flu”?
liberalism
That’s old news. They’ve since tested 34 samples and found only typical H1N1:
http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_11_16/en/
From reading the latest news reports it sounds more like Ukrainian politicians hyping things up during their election campaign. There is no doubt that H1N1 is hitting the Ukraine hard and their health system is nowhere near as good as ours so it’s no surprise that there is panic. But there isn’t any confirmation of any plague. The EU is probably still concerned because they haven’t rolled out the vaccine in great numbers yet.
The only mutation people are concerned about at the moment is this new resistance to anti-virals like Tamiflu, but that doesn’t really come as much of a surprise either since scientists were already talking about resistant strains last year before the latest outbreak occurred.
So, yeah, nothing to see here except more swine influenza. There is a potential for a nasty mutation, sure, but it ain’t happen yet.
I defy you to cite ANY ad hominem remark in either of my posts on this thread.
I see you've adroitly changed the subject, too, away from abuse of terminology.
Yup and note that CDC has listed H1N1 cases as being on the decline so our pattern is indeed following that of Australia’s ( which has already gone through their season). It hit earlier than usual, lots of folks got it, the usual candidates did not die, and onece it hit it was over.
I had predicted based on that info that ours would decline by Nov 15th...not so far off as a predictor
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