JFK Theories; Oswald and Hasan

Pajamas Media ^ | November 22 | Ron Rosenbaum

[AJKauf]

Any new theories? Where do you stand on the old theories? Is the Warren Report conclusion (for all the flaws in its investigation) beginning to worm its way into your heart?

Did the assassination change your life? Did it (and successive assassinations) change your vision of America? Your vision of the world? Or is it irrelevant that there’s still doubt warranted (pun intended). Irrelevant in toto? (the Latin word, not Dorothy’s dog).

I’ve been thinking about Oswald. I think he fired shots that day. I can’t be sure he was alone, although I haven’t been convinced by any of the conspiracy theories. More importantly I can’t be sure why he did it. He was somewhere on the spectrum between nutcase and ideologue, maybe a combination of both.

Like a certain other shooter of recent vintage. It’s a dangerous combination.

Anyway, I’m interested in what people think about or if they do. It is November 22nd, you know. ....

[word_warrior_bob]

Check the vid in post 27, physics say the head would move backwards.

All these years the conspiracy crowd believing that the head shot proved it had to come from the front and all this time they have been 100% wrong.

If only the head moved the OTHER WAY!!! we would have to concede a conspiracy.

Over the years, even the conspiracy theorists have had to concede point after point, yet people even here still cite “facts” that have been proven to be lies.

You’re right there is ZERO evidence that it was anyone but Oswald. Every year here we have to blow up these myths.

[nicksaunt]

Excellent synopsis Bob. Oswald acted alone.

[fieldmarshaldj]

TFK ?

[tophat9000]

Bob you lay out the facts but they do not want to hear them...head wound..the exit is the big hole...the exit hole is in the front ..

[ElectionInspector]

every re-creation of the crime keeps pointing that the only possible conclusion

bob.... that’s a ridiculous statement, but fits YOUR world view. you really have to guzzle kool aid by the gallon to buy the Warren report and to believe Ruby just happened to want to avenge Jackie’s pain...Puleeeeze! Sure let’s believe the PTB, they never lie to us.

may your chains rest lightly...

ymmv

[Reagan Man]

Of course LBJ was a better politico. One major reason why JFK chose him as his VP running mate was based on Johnson's ability to get things done with the Congress and hopefully bring in Texas for the Dems. Which Johnson did, barely. However, I don't buy into this notion that JFK was less liberal then LBJ. That somehow JFK was a conservative. That is a total fallacy.

All one needs to do is look at the overall record of liberalism. Especially the leftward march of the entire Kennedy clan, from RFK to TFK. By 1968 RFK was moving hard left and we all know how things turned out with Ted Fat Kennedy. All progressives are alike.

[Reagan Man]

>>>>>>TFK?

Ted "Fat" Kennedy.

[word_warrior_bob]

Wrong, the evidence keeps pointing to Oswald, if the evidence pointed AWAY from Oswald I would say it was a conspiracy. It's not about my world view, it's about the science and the evidence, if I would like to spit in the face of the evidence and science I would be a conspiracy theorist.

The "powers that be" must have been thinking 45 years in the future to put together such a perfect conspiracy that modern science and forensics still point to Oswald. The "powers that be" are simply amazing.

It's always the conspiracy theorists with their wild-eyed theories that think others are mere sheep, just like the truther crowd think they're all geniuses.

Just by using "PTB" tells me a lot about where you're coming from, I found a picture of the "Powers That Be" that killed Kennedy.

[fieldmarshaldj]

Oh. I wondered if you meant him, technically his initials are EMK.

[Reagan Man]

Who cares. Having some fun at the douche bags expense.

[El Gato]

Oswald being the shooter does not preclude a conspiracy, although probably the sort of Grand Conspiracy, that folks seem to like. He could have had help, he could have been sent back to the US by the Soviets for such a purpose. Those things can't be proven by forensics. But more likely, he did act alone, simply because he didn't need any help, not even logistical, to do what he did.

Same with Hasan, he probably got "inspiration" from off shore, but it seems he was helping them, with $$$, they weren't supporting him. It is, of course, still possible that he was directed by his overseas contacts. Being in the army, he had access to the post, and being a citizen with a clean record, to any federally legal weapon whatsoever. I'm glad he didn't pick something even more lethal on a hit by hit basis.

[El Gato]

Which Johnson did, barely. However, I don't buy into this notion that JFK was less liberal then LBJ. That somehow JFK was a conservative. That is a total fallacy.

Never said he was. But in those days, even Democrats were usually attempting to work in the best interests of the US in the foreign policy arena, unlike today's "US is always wrong" crop of 'Rat leaders. JFK would have been more competent there, as LBJ was more competent in the domestic arena.

[El Gato]

Which Johnson did, barely. However, I don't buy into this notion that JFK was less liberal then LBJ. That somehow JFK was a conservative. That is a total fallacy.

Never said he was. But in those days, even Democrats were usually attempting to work in the best interests of the US in the foreign policy arena, unlike today's "US is always wrong" crop of 'Rat leaders. JFK would have been more competent there, as LBJ was more competent in the domestic arena.

[octex]

I worked 2nd shift at Love Field, so watched the JFK shooting, etc., on TV an hour or so before going to work. All flights in and out were canceled. While walking into the building, I noticed men with automatic weapons on the roof of the terminal and concourses.

AF1 was parked only about 200 feet away from the large window of my office that looked out on the tarmac and runways. No one was permitted outside. From the window, I watched the coffin being loaded aboard and Jackie and others entering the plane. Shortly afterward, Judge Sarah T. Hughes boarded and that’s where she gave the oath of office to LBJ. AF1 took off a few minutes later. ....It was a long night, due to the delayed and canceled flights!

I’ve never believed the Warren Report; too many inconsistencies (like the pristine bullet found on the gurney, that supposedly had gone through JFK and Connaly but was not marred in any way). I’ve never thought Oswald was the only shooter. ....I’ve always suspected that LBJ played a role in the asassination. He was a dirty bastard.

[DontTreadOnMe2009]

More Conspiracy Theory for Everyone:

What kind of father only meets his own son once in 30 years, at an airport?

Even this simple fact seems to have been nearly non-reported.

and then ...

If you were raised for 8 years, from the age of 10 to 18, by a card carrying bi-sexual radical AA Communist from Chicago with a 601 page FBI file, what kind of Community Organizer would you be?????

One who prefers “Marxist professors”, so that you wouldn’t be a “sell-out”???

Is it any wonder no college records have been released, or ever will be?

HIs first pol, to whom he was “chief of staff”, flew often to Moscow for the Communist Party Congress and came back praising the Soviet Union. He didn’t quit and he didn’t protest.

When he cheated her by getting her kicked off the re-election ballot (using legalistic tricks, just like he does now), SHE never protested, nor would accept any interviews.

Can you say “Party Discipline???

I mean, his mother met his “father’ while studying Russian for God’s sakes -— in 1959!!!

Have you never read in a history book that the Russians look for future agents in Russian Language classes? Of course! Where else to look?

Please read this, and tell everyone:

KGB knowledge and boasting ???

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13267412/The-Kenyan-Candidate-Obama-SetUp-Known-in-Moscow-in-1991-the-First-Time-I-Heard-of-Barack

Then ask yourself, and everyone around you:

Why do the President’s two daughters both have Russian names???

Ever met any African-American who has two children, both with Russian names???

Ever met ANYONE who has two children, both with Russian names???

I haven’t.

Mmmm mmmmm mmmmmm.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/15127

[octex]

Agree with you, fhayek!

No way that “magic” bullet did so much damage and was not deformed in any way. ......If anyone has ever shot a canteloupe or watermelon, they know that target does NOT suddenly jerk toward the entry point; it goes in the opposite direction...the exit point... just as JFK’s head did.

[octex]

head wound..the exit is the big hole...the exit hole is in the front ..

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Then why did the back of his skull and brain matter find itself on the trunk of the limo and Jackie???

[fhayek]

I watched the video. I am a fan of Penn and Teller. But, with the possible exception of a number of Democrats, a head is not a melon. Furthermore, Kennedy's head was not sitting stationary on a stool, it was moving forward sitting on his spine. The blow out in the video went forward. Jackie Kennedy retrieved the parts of his skull behind him.

[word_warrior_bob]

See post 27 and post 32 to dispel the two myths you just repeated.

[word_warrior_bob]

Watch the video again, some fragments do go backwards but the bulk of the goo/brain go forward, just like in the video and just like what happened to JFK.

The shot came from behind. It seems the conspiracy theorists are on the wrong side of every test. The melon is used because it replicates a brain well, just like the gel and bone cadavers are used because they represent bodies well. No one wants to use human heads and cadavers for all these experiments.