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"The Myth's About Thanksgiving"
Hogue News ^ | November 22, 2009 | Paul Smith

Posted on 11/22/2009 7:41:26 PM PST by hoguenews

My attempt to squash your romantic view of Thanksgiving! Mayflower Myths:The reason that we have so many myths associated with Thanksgiving is that it is an invented tradition. It doesn’t originate in any one event. It is based on the New England puritan Thanksgiving, which is a religious Thanksgiving, and the traditional harvest celebrations of England and New England and maybe other ideas like commemorating the pilgrims. All of these have been gathered together and transformed into something different from the original parts. James W. Baker Senior Historian at Plymouth Plantation.

There are more at the link...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: constitution; government; myths; thanksgiving
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1 posted on 11/22/2009 7:41:28 PM PST by hoguenews
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To: hoguenews
Just stopping by to mention that Kwanzaa is complete crap dreamed up by a communist member of the Black Panthers in the 1960's. But the lamestream media seem to love it.

I'll stick with the traditions that are older than I am.

2 posted on 11/22/2009 7:44:37 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: hoguenews
Hard to take you seriously with "myth's' and "seperate". Learn how to write in English.

BTW, "Plymouth Plantation" is more correctly and historically described to this very day as "Plimoth Plantation."

Fail, noob.

3 posted on 11/22/2009 7:48:13 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Just stopping by to mention that Kwanzaa is complete crap dreamed up by a communist member of the Black Panthers in the 1960's. But the lamestream media seem to love it.

It's a little early but since you brought up the K-word, time for my parody song:

On the first day of Kwanzaa Obama gave to me
A Marxist in a red tree.

On the second day of Kwanzaa Obama gave to me
Two Jaily birds,
And a Marxist in a red tree.

On the third day of Kwanzaa Obama gave to me
Three Dixie Chicks.
Two Jaily birds,
And a Marxist in a red tree.

On the fourth day of Kwanzaa Obama gave to me
Four Lenin busts.
Three Dixie Chicks,
Two Jaily birds,
And a Marxist in a red tree.

On the fifth day of Kwanzaa Obama gave to me
Five fel-on-ies.
Four Lenin busts,
Three Dixie Chicks,
Two Jaily birds,
And a Marxist in a red tree.

On the sixth day of Kwanzaa Obama gave to me
Six Castro jumpsuits.
Five fel-on-ies,
Four Lenin busts,
Three Dixie Chicks,
Two Jaily birds,
And a Marxist in a red tree.

On the seventh day of Kwanzaa Obama gave to me
Seven Mao pajamas,
Six Castro jumpsuits,
Five fel-on-ies,
Four Lenin busts
Three Dixie Chicks,
Two Jaily birds,
And a Marxist in a red tree.

4 posted on 11/22/2009 7:51:18 PM PST by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: hoguenews
Remember to thanks to the Lord for this great country or ours while we still have it for the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.

America was founded first on striving for freedom of worship.

5 posted on 11/22/2009 7:53:58 PM PST by frogjerk
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To: hoguenews

Its not a myth at my house.


6 posted on 11/22/2009 7:54:18 PM PST by marron
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To: buccaneer81

Who pissed in your wheaties?


7 posted on 11/22/2009 7:55:02 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: hoguenews
Thanksgiving was a tradition in the Colonization years in America BUT it was not celebrated in All colonies and towns and there was no set date. A thanksgiving feast was declared when a colony had a good harvest or completed a project. In other words they had a feast (and usually lots of prayer service) when they felt a need to give thanks to the Lord.

The Pilgrims had several such.

Lincoln (IIRC) made it an official holiday and it has been ever since.

8 posted on 11/22/2009 7:55:19 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the next one...)
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To: hoguenews
I'm still planning to celebrate, myths or no. Thanksgiving is becoming one of my favorite holidays the older I get.

Every Thanksgiving is special.
9 posted on 11/22/2009 7:57:04 PM PST by mysterio
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To: hoguenews

What a great way to waste a perfectly useless post.

What’s your point?


10 posted on 11/22/2009 7:57:44 PM PST by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Evo's place much faith in something for which there is no proof. Crazy!)
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To: goseminoles
Who pissed in your wheaties?

This noob can't write, can't spell and has historical inaccuracies in this post. Do you think DU and the MSM would like to jump all over FR as a whole because of it? You 'betcha.

And the guy claims to be a talk show host. If true, one can only imagine the damage he's doing to us.

11 posted on 11/22/2009 7:59:24 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Gordon Greene

To pimp his blog.


12 posted on 11/22/2009 7:59:49 PM PST by Skenderbej (People need to learn that no muhammadan practices his religion peacefully.)
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To: hoguenews
Perfect example of reason out of control. You have to look at reason and faith as working together. Not a separation or wall. Besides if there was not a Thanksgiving life would be one dull and boring enterprise
13 posted on 11/22/2009 8:01:15 PM PST by wmposh
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To: hoguenews; darkwing104

Yo Dawg,

When you come over to the FR Crib and pimp your blog you must post your message using proper grammar and spelling. Otherwise you’re just another long-legged, mack-daddy newb trying to impress the best with your lack of language skills.

Peace out, bro.

Cordially,

A. Grizzled Bear (esq)


14 posted on 11/22/2009 8:01:43 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Skenderbej

Seems like that would have been a good reason if the blog wasn’t crap and the guy could spell, research or write his way out of a paper bag.

I’m just sayin’.

Peace (and happy Thanksgiving).

GG


15 posted on 11/22/2009 8:02:50 PM PST by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Evo's place much faith in something for which there is no proof. Crazy!)
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To: hoguenews

Roperti’s Turkey Farm
Livonia, MI

Best darn bird. Screw PETA.


16 posted on 11/22/2009 8:04:07 PM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: buccaneer81

The guy that wrote the article is apparently running for Congress in a Sacremento district. Don’t think its the new guy’s fault. I don’t think the article should be taken too seriously. IMHO.

Sorry about our Bucs this year :o)


17 posted on 11/22/2009 8:05:17 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: hoguenews

I hope the author meant Myths

Uneducated journalisits don’t even seem to have a fifth graders grasp of grammar and spelling rules!


18 posted on 11/22/2009 8:07:30 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: goseminoles
I hear you, but the MSM and lib blogs will tear him up about a post like this, and then tar and feather us as the host site.

Thanks for the sympathy. I still have my Super Bowl XXXVII shirt and hat from the Bucs finest moment. They are truly horrendous now, from the coaches down to the practice squad.

19 posted on 11/22/2009 8:10:03 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: hoguenews

This is nonsense. The history of the Pilgrims and their Indian friends is meticulously well-documented. The Puritans had nothing to do with the Pilgrims or with Thanksgiving.


20 posted on 11/22/2009 8:10:22 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: buccaneer81

oh yeah, that’s the old Thanksgiving Spirit!


21 posted on 11/22/2009 8:11:20 PM PST by bigbob
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To: bigbob

I suggest you read the rest of the comments on the thread.


22 posted on 11/22/2009 8:13:13 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: hoguenews
"My attempt to squash your romantic view of Thanksgiving!"

Well you're a little late! My Thanksgiving and millions of other's Thanksgiving will be a whole lot less thankful this year thanks to our American Terrorists! AKA The lowlife Democrats who voted for the government run health care.


23 posted on 11/22/2009 8:15:22 PM PST by GloriaJane (http://www.last.fm/user/GloriaJane)
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To: hoguenews

Well Eric, I guess there’s a learning curve here. Take the comments as constructive and best of luck in future posts.


24 posted on 11/22/2009 8:16:47 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: Kirkwood

“The history of the Pilgrims and their Indian friends is meticulously well-documented.”

True but the story that goes around now totally leaves out the fact that the Pilgrims weren’t here first. That goes to the settlers of Jamestown in 1607.


25 posted on 11/22/2009 8:17:22 PM PST by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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To: goseminoles

The article was written by Paul Smith, not me...and it is worthy of debate, comments.


26 posted on 11/22/2009 8:17:54 PM PST by hoguenews
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To: hoguenews

What a load of inaccuracies.


27 posted on 11/22/2009 8:17:59 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: hoguenews

IBTZ.

Blog pimp.


28 posted on 11/22/2009 8:18:39 PM PST by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: hoguenews

Hey, I’m just trying to help you out. Don’t pawn it off on Paul. He’s your friend.


29 posted on 11/22/2009 8:21:13 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: hoguenews

Garbage.


30 posted on 11/22/2009 8:21:23 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obama's Deathcare ---- many will suffer and/or die unnecessarily.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

Hey Bear, ever heard of a by-line...?

Read the by-line, and then discuss the content. Over FIVE of you Freepers didn’t read the by-line...I posted for comments and discussion...not to be graded. Give it a rest.


31 posted on 11/22/2009 8:23:05 PM PST by hoguenews
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To: hoguenews
"The Myth's About Thanksgiving"

When you use an apostrophy in this way, you are telling the reader that the myth possesses something. I don't know what the myth possesses, but you are telling me you intend to crush it! You're nothing but a big bully!

32 posted on 11/22/2009 8:28:44 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Kirkwood

Well, finally someone who knows the difference between Pilgrims and Puritans. The Pilgrims were called that because they set sail on a pilgrimage. They called themselves Separatists, though, when they were in England and Holland. You are right that it is well documented. Gov. Bradford wrote a history of the “Plimoth Plantation”, remember?
(By the way, he was my eighth great grandfather)


33 posted on 11/22/2009 8:29:02 PM PST by MondoQueen
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To: swmobuffalo

Well, of course, we all know that Jamestown was the first settlement, but did you know that one of the Pilgrims, Stephen Hopkins, went on a voyage to Jamestown in l609? Besides, the French fur traders were already here when the Pilgrims got here, as were the Spanish is Florida and California. And how about all the fishing boats who came to America every spring? And how about Squanto, the Indian who greeted the Pilgrims with a “hello” in English? How did he learn English? This wasn’t a never-explored country, is what I’m saying.


34 posted on 11/22/2009 8:34:40 PM PST by MondoQueen
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To: Grizzled Bear

Not my work, read the by-line...just passing it along...


35 posted on 11/22/2009 8:34:47 PM PST by hoguenews
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To: goseminoles

I corrected Paul’s error...and yes, he is a friend...but mistaking the by-line is also an error...lol...give it a rest gang...content, content...


36 posted on 11/22/2009 8:36:36 PM PST by hoguenews
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To: hoguenews

The article -and the little comments- were fun to read.

Ignore the spelling/grammar/punctuation nazis and have a great Thanksgiving!


37 posted on 11/22/2009 8:40:24 PM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: hoguenews
I stopped by to see if maybe someone was blowing up a turkey or something. Oh well...


38 posted on 11/22/2009 8:53:26 PM PST by ProfoundMan (Time to finish the Reagan Revolution! - RightyPics.com)
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To: ProfoundMan

Nothin’ but another blog pimp that dodged the mods so far.


39 posted on 11/22/2009 8:57:07 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: Salvation
"Uneducated journalisits don’t even seem to have a fifth graders grasp of grammar and spelling rules!"

I think you meant "fifth-grader's," where the apostrophe you should have used (but did not) would have denoted the possessive, as in the "grasp" belonging to the "fifth-grader." Apparently even the haughty who enjoy looking down their noses at others are capable of punctuating like a below-average public-schooled chimp.

Bone brain.

;-/

40 posted on 11/22/2009 9:08:22 PM PST by Gargantua (Palin/Rove 2012)
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To: Gargantua

should have used, (but did not)


41 posted on 11/22/2009 9:13:32 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: Salvation
journalisits

?

Journalisits : an erronous spelling of the freeper word "Journaleezits," meaning treasonous leaks fed to gluttonous presstitutes like so many stinky Cheezits made of limberger instead of cheddar.

I've found to my horror that whenever I get an urge to correct someone's spelling, or their use of the English language, that the gremlins in the machine inevitably insure that any response on my part includes a suitably humbling mistake such as "journalisits."

42 posted on 11/22/2009 9:32:08 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: MondoQueen

Don’t know if this might be of interest to you, but Roger Williams is my great grandfather...many generations removed.


43 posted on 11/22/2009 9:34:44 PM PST by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: Gordon Greene

Happy Thanksgiving to you!

Seems like blogspot will give a blog to anybody these days...where is the world heading?


44 posted on 11/22/2009 9:41:05 PM PST by Skenderbej (People need to learn that no muhammadan practices his religion peacefully.)
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To: hoguenews

I personally give thanks for all the good that has transpired across the years and generations that have made this country the greatest place on earth. And I will continue to pray for that future regardless the darkening clouds that gather over it now.


45 posted on 11/22/2009 9:50:52 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Gargantua

You’re right. I stand corrected.


46 posted on 11/22/2009 9:59:08 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: piasa

There I go, typing too fast again. LOL!


47 posted on 11/22/2009 10:00:24 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: hoguenews

Well, continue to celebrate it while you can because before long I’m sure the Democrats will proclaim Thanksgiving to be a violation of the Seperation of Church and State provision of the constitution and will get the ACLU to outlaw it.


48 posted on 11/22/2009 10:08:34 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Keep your dog. Get rid of a Liberal.)
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To: MondoQueen
Excellent!

Two of the Indian friends were Samoset and Squanto. Both had lived in England before the Pilgrims had come to America. Squanto was as well-spoken as any Englishman and he was actually more traveled than many of the Pilgrims. Without these two Indians who befriended the Pilgrims and helped to pave the way to a peace treaty and a mutual assistance in hunting and planting crops, Thanksgiving as we know it might not have happened.

49 posted on 11/22/2009 10:28:26 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: swmobuffalo

Actually, Europeans had been coming to America for quite some time before the establishment of Jamestown as a permanent colony. Fishing ships harbored off the coast. Trappers collected pelts and traded Indians for pelts. Explorers mapped the coasts and rivers. These were many temporary settlements and interactions with both friendly and hostile Indians, including capturing Indians who were taken back to Europe.


50 posted on 11/22/2009 10:35:25 PM PST by Kirkwood
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