Posted on 12/03/2009 6:02:32 AM PST by markomalley
Edited on 12/03/2009 6:05:02 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
HIGHLAND PARK, Mich. (CBS/AP) Jamar Pinkney Sr., the 37-year-old Michigan father who allegedly shot and killed his teenage son because the boy told him he molested a 3-year-old girl, will pursue an insanity defense, his lawyer said Tuesday.
On the same day, a judge in the Detroit enclave of Highland Park ruled that Pinkney Sr. will stand trial on first-degree murder, assault and firearm charges.
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No, I’m on the same forum I’ve been on for years. I think you didn’t correctly read my post, since you seem to take exception with me wanting pedophiles dead. Are you sure you’re on the right forum? I’ve never known child molesters to get much sympathy here.
But if you do achieve your goal of getting the majority here to feel sorry for a pedophile, then I will most certainly feel I’m on the wrong forum. Luckily the odds of that happening here are precisely zero.
So how would you have fixed the pedophile? Would you have begged him to tell you what you and society did to him that made him do the terrible things he did?
“”..no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. You won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.” General George S. Patton
I guess Patton wouldn’t be welcome here either? Is he a snob as well?
If it goes to trial, he might well end up with a conviction for second degree murder.
Do you not know what murder is? Do you need a definition?
Hunting down your own child and shooting him to death while he begs for mercy is murder.
As far as the rest of your post goes, look up the definition of hyperbole.
Who conferred the “right” upon me?
Me. A man.
Who conferred the right upon society/the state to kill deserving criminals?
Men. Just men. In your mind, do a group of men have the power to grant rights while a individual doesn’t? You have an odd concept of rights. My rights are between me and my creator, and have nothing to do with man or man’s creations.
“Murdering” your own child definitely solved something in this case. It solved the problem of worrying about the pedophile in your house molesting your child again.
I guess the death penalty doesn’t really solve anything either?
Nah, I would just let him run around and repeat the process, Maybe with his sister or niece! Are you crazy?
I would go for the ‘justifiable homicide’ defense.
Funny how you didn’t answer the question. It was just hyperbole, so it should have been easy for you.
Do you believe in the concept of a justified killing or not? Yes or no? You won’t answer because you realize that if you admit you have no problem with other types of killing, such as war, the death penalty, etc...then the only difference in this case is a pale, pale shade of grey. I’ll go ahead and answer, to make it easy for you. I believe in justified killings. Do you? Or are you consistent with your belief that “murder is murder is murder” and you’re against all forms of killing?
So tell me...are you a pacifist, or do you have some type of criteria that must be met before it is a righteous kill?
I think you need a definition of murder. The only difference between the state killing someone and this guy killing someone is that there was a trial in between. Well, in this instance the accused confessed his crimes. The person is just as dead no matter what label you put on it.
Funny that you’re arguing in favor of getting “the criminal justice system” involved.
Say...that guy that murdered 4 cops the other day...wasn’t he involved in the criminal justice system? For basically his entire life? And wasn’t his last crime the rape of a child? So your argument is that this molester should have received basically the same treatment as the cop murdering molester? Well...we see how well that worked out.
Sadly, she won’t be able to forget it because the family will forever be talking about it. Some (especially since there are two families and being half siblings) may even turn it around one day and blame her somehow for grandpa being in prison and brother being dead.
I have no issue with the death penalty. What I have an issue with is people taking the law into their own hands and making heros out of other people who do.
The 15 year certainly deserved to be punished for what he did. And now the father deserves to be punished for what he did. Oh and great job, that dad. Not only did he murder his own child, he’s leaving his daughter pretty much fatherless as a result. Yup, dad just solved everything for that family, didn’t he?
WRONG!
War, self-defense, and the death penalty are NOT murder.
Murder is the killing of a human being by a sane person, with intent, malice aforethought (prior intention to kill the particular victim or anyone who gets in the way) and with no legal excuse or authority. Abortion is MURDER.
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If your comments had anything to do with this particular case, they might warrant an answer.
Listen, if you think what the father did was okay and if you admittedly would do this yourself, than that’s all you really need to say.
Ugly story. But our system is broken, and there is no way to fix it short of BitS, so this honestly smells like justice to me. The survivors all need prayer.
Great...thanks for restating my point in red. Maybe you should re-read it until you understand what I was saying?
I’m not sure what you’re taking exception with, since my point was that war isn’t murder. See the question mark after each sentence? Those are called rhetorical questions. See the “if?”
“If your comments had anything to do with this particular case, they might warrant an answer.
Listen, if you think what the father did was okay and if you admittedly would do this yourself, than that’s all you really need to say.”
Here is a great quote for you to ponder.
“You don’t have to destroy your enemy, just his willingness to engage.”
Seeing your back while you flee is almost as satisfying as stepping over your corpse. Either way, you’ve fled the field. And if my questions truly didn’t have anything to do with this case, then it would be no harm for you to answer them. I’ve already said why you won’t answer...because you realize if you admit it, then the only difference in this situation and ones you find justified is that you don’t like this one.
So...why do you refuse to engage my question? :) Do you believe in justified killings or not? It is such a simple question...yet this is the third time you’ve tried to evade it.
Anyone reading this has already put you down in the pacifist category. Otherwise you would have just said yes, I believe in justified killing, IF the circumstances meet my approval.
In my first post to you I said I thought what he did was ok. I also repeated that sentiment again just a few posts up. I think I’m starting to understand your problem here...you’re not even reading. You’re just mad because you didn’t get to crush the pedophile to your bosom and have him tell you what evils he has suffered to make him want to hurt his sister.
But you’re right...talking about justified killing in a thread about a pedophile receiving vigilante justice is really off topic. Right. You would answer but you’re too busy.
Apparently you do not have children.
A parent loves and love does not kill what it loves.
You people are missing the obvious. That poor teenager was probably molested by this monster and if he sent the kid to jail, this would be revealed. He was covering his own a**. This guy is a monster to shoot his own son and there is only one reason for it. Are you kidding me, read between the lines, he he caused this kid to do this and his goal was to silence him. Kids/teens do not think of molesting toddlers out of the blue; something prompted him.... and HELLO...it wasn’t playing Nintendo. The teen could have been helped through therapy. It is the father who should be put down like the animal that he is. We will never hear the details of what he did to his son because he silenced his victim forever. The best we can hope for is and for the truth to come out and for him to be known in prison as a child molester. Death penalty would be appropriate, but even that would be too good for that animal.
This is a really messed up situation, but c’mon put the blame where it belongs people. Hopefully the mom will step up for once and do what she should have done for her murdered teenage son...PROTECT HER CHILDREN. Believe me, she knows that monster did to her son and probably to the daughter too. She needs to get out of this Hedda Nusbaum mentality and step up for her kids.
Well, I must congratulate you on your very liberal attitude towards the molestation of your children. I’m not that enlightened, myself. Kind old fashioned about the male children not sexually abusing the female children. But, different strokes for different folks.
I can promise you that my love for my child ends precisely where he begins molesting my other children.
If you had been actually following the conversation here you would have read the post in which I talk about my children.
“You people are missing the obvious. That poor teenager was probably molested by this monster and if he sent the kid to jail, this would be revealed.”
Oh man, it IS so obvious.
Why didn’t I see that the real victim here is the pedophile?
You know what I really want to know? What caused poor Maurice Clemmons to become a monster? Imagine how we as a society abused him so badly that he wanted to murder 4 cops.
Victimology...here’s hoping it is all used up by 2012.
Murder is the taking of an innocent life. Unjustified but understandable homicide would be a more fitting description.
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