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Obama birthplace attorney files new allegations
Orange County Register ^

Posted on 12/03/2009 7:42:53 PM PST by USALiberty

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To: Brytani
Basically the judge in his footnotes states a short form b/c has been made public and uses this as rational for part of his ruling in Rhodes.

What part of his ruling is based on that rationale? I just don't see that. He mentions this in the background section of the opinion, then moves to a discussion of the reason for his dismissal - the abstention doctrine. Whether Obama was born in Hawaii or Kenya (or Equatorial New Guinea) is utterly irrelevant to the abstention doctrine -- which means that "evidence" about the birth -- whether they be jpgs of a COLB published by Obama, or jpgs of two "Kenyan documents" submitted as evidence by Orly -- is irrelevant. So, I am honestly not understanding what you're trying to say.
81 posted on 12/04/2009 2:44:27 PM PST by Sibre Fan
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To: RowdyFFC
No disrespect, but what you're asking is antithetical to the profession's ethical obligations.

Suppose someone really believes that their son/daughter is possessed by a spirit and the correct approach is to starve and bleed them while inducing diarrhea through purgatives. If you bring a real doctor in, he's not going to pull up his big boy pants and help with that. He's going to say, this is nuts, stop it. It's foolishness doing harm.

Orly Taitz’s legal briefs are illogical, unreasoned, unprofessional, borderline hysterical at times, and on several occasions actively harmful to the interests of her clients. She's also soliciting donations under the pretense of having an actionable legal case when any real lawyer knows she doesn't.

Think about it. Something as potentially earth-shattering as this? If top drawer lawyers believed there was a real case there, you'd see some on it. There are plenty of high profile conservative lawyers with demonstrated bona fides who have taken on political cases they believed had merit. That not a single one would touch this with a ten-foot pole speaks volumes about where the real delusion lies.

82 posted on 12/04/2009 2:47:14 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: roaddog727

“One thing I have noticed is that justice seems to be a game for lawyers. Not knowing how to file a brief derails an entire proceeding.

Bingo!”

Just like surgery seems to be a game for surgeons. Not knowing the mechanics of how to do it can derail an entire career. Imagine that.


83 posted on 12/04/2009 2:49:51 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative

No you wouldn’t. Top notch lawyers wouldn’t touch a case like this for less than $4 million dollars. The Huns could be chasing all of us and you’d be going show me the money! That’s why it’s wonderful we have a volunteer military to defend us.

AGAIN, I applaud Orly Taitz and support her efforts. At least she’s making one...whereas YOU are not.


84 posted on 12/04/2009 2:51:28 PM PST by RowdyFFC (The opinion of a wise Welshtino woman...)
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To: patriot08

Orly’s not making any headway in any court.


85 posted on 12/04/2009 2:55:15 PM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: MilspecRob

Go back to DU. People are wise to to here.


86 posted on 12/04/2009 2:58:14 PM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!<p>)
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To: RowdyFFC
I freely admit it. I am not making an effort to make a fool out of myself and bamboozle my clients.

The kind of name recognition this would bestow on top level lawyers if it had any merit would be priceless. Unfortunately, it doesn't have any merit. Haranguing real lawyers for failing to take up meritless cases is, in reality, simply congratulating them on their discernment and ethics.

Why would the Huns be chasing us all over this? And why would I be saying show me the money if they were? If this is some weird World War II reference, just let me note for the record that I fully support fighting both Nazi German and Imperial Japan. I'm not sure how useful a frame of reference that is for case law, however, particularly regarding issues of standing.

87 posted on 12/04/2009 3:16:47 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: RowdyFFC

Oh, and also for the record, I was in the military when it wasn’t all volunteer. I like to think we still did an okay job.


88 posted on 12/04/2009 3:19:57 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Brytani
You said it girl.

ObamaGate will not be touched by the leftist media. Also looks like the conservative talk show hosts will not touch the issue either, that is except for Rev. Manning, Lou Dobbs, and Michael Savage. They have been asking the questions for some time.

89 posted on 12/04/2009 3:22:04 PM PST by seekthetruth ("PLEASE PRAY FOR OBAMA - Psalm 109:8 ")
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To: 1rudeboy

“Ms. Taitz still has her law license?”

What little faith I had in the legal system is gone.


90 posted on 12/04/2009 3:23:19 PM PST by Grunthor (There is no such thing as unconditional love.)
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To: Brytani
First, McCain’s eligibility was questioned by a small group of leftists triggering congressional hearings affirming McCain’s eligibility. Millions of people are questioning Obama’s eligibility yet Congress blows off those concerns.

McCain did not do anything more than Obama to establish his eligibility.

91 posted on 12/04/2009 3:23:27 PM PST by curiosity
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To: RowdyFFC

“Frankly she’s doing one hellova job”

As evidenced by how many cases she has won and how little she has been rhetorically beaten like a red-headed stepchild by almost every judge she has gone in front of in this conspiratorial wet dream.

Oh wait....never mind.


92 posted on 12/04/2009 3:25:13 PM PST by Grunthor (There is no such thing as unconditional love.)
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To: MilspecRob

Orly’s not making any headway in any court.


Oh she’s making plenty of headway just the wrong kind and in the wrong direction for her sake. She’s been able to raise the bar on $s assessed against her at least. Now that is headway. lol


93 posted on 12/04/2009 3:40:37 PM PST by deport (88 DAYS UNTIL THE TEXAS PRIMARY....... MARCH 2, 2010)
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To: USALiberty

Orly is a very brave woman. I am surprised she is still living and breathing.


94 posted on 12/04/2009 3:42:35 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Sibre Fan
His attorneys have appeared in only three of the 60+ cases, and DOJ has appeared in only seven.
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Sounds expensive to me.

95 posted on 12/04/2009 3:45:11 PM PST by wintertime
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To: jamese777
Department attorneys and before he was inaugurated, he only presented a defense in two cases, the original Berg v Obama in which his attorneys submitted a brief asking for a dismissal by the US District Court in Pennsylvania. The dismissal motion was granted and the US Supreme Court subsequently refused to hear the case. The other case was Keyes v Bowen in California that Orly Taitz is still contesting.

Sounds expensive to me. Why not just prove the documents and allow the case to go to the Supreme Court. QED ( in my opinion.)

96 posted on 12/04/2009 3:49:22 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Filing a few papers in three cases, most of which were likely based on templates/pre-existing motions filed in other cases, was not that expensive for the private attorneys. Because Orly is so ... prolific ... in filing paper after corrected paper after paper, the DOJ has had to file a few more papers than the private attorneys had to file. Still, the job’s been pretty small and at least should have been inexpensive - to date - because the DOJ has only responded when required, and responded with short, concise briefs. Their most recent brief was a 2-pager - copied from their last brief (eliminating one page of argument). Pretty simple. Not expensive.


97 posted on 12/04/2009 3:53:49 PM PST by Sibre Fan
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To: wintertime
Why would any democrat or Obama supporter possibly want to hurt her? She has zero chance of doing them any harm, no doubt amuses them, and makes conservatives look like cranks.

She might even get a state dinner invitation before all of this is done.

98 posted on 12/04/2009 3:58:54 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: USALiberty

Should it develop that the fed/gov has known all along the complete story on 0’b then we have a case of massive fraud aided and abeted by the chief justice of the USSC, and many others.


99 posted on 12/04/2009 4:12:21 PM PST by Waco (Stay as bootiful as ya are Karvile.)
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To: Sibre Fan
Counsel makes these allegations although a “short-form” birth certificate has been made publicly available which indicates that the President was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961.

Right there. He is saying in effect that council is asking for Obama's B/C even though, in the judges opinion, his short-form b/c has been made public.

I don't see how that sentence can be taken as anything other then the judge believes what has been released online is Obama's authentic short-form B/C. The judge is in effect saying "Obama's b/c is online and is good enough for me!"

This is where my question comes from. Shouldn't the judge have determined if the image released on the net is in fact genuine before stating it is Obama's short-form B/C? Does that make more sense?
100 posted on 12/04/2009 4:31:06 PM PST by Brytani (Support Lt. Col Allen West for Congress - www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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