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To: plsjr; maggief; Grampa Dave; stephenjohnbanker; Landru; GOPJ; hoosiermama; ...
The U.S. Senate may break their own rules and go against the will of the vast majority of U.S. Citizens to pass their health care bill.......by using the nuclear option.

Any fool can plainly see that the endangered Dems are frantic----rushing to pass this abomination b/c they need to get money into the hands of ACORN, SEIU, immigrant groups, and others, BEFORE the Nov 2010 elections.

Remember that the first four years of ObamaCare is amassing $$billions. The healthcare does not kick in til 2013.

Even stupid Dems know that, for them, it's curtains in 2010---unless massive voter fraud takes place. They need to buy votes and must get billions into the hands of their operatives---ACORN, SEIU, immigrant groups, and others.

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ObamaCareCost Could Top $6 Trillion
Cato Institute | 9/27/2009 | Michael F. Cannon
FR Posted on 11/29/2009 by GVnana

(Excerpt) Congressional Democrats are using several budget gimmicks to disguise the cost of their health care overhaul, claiming the House and Senate bills would cost only (!) about $1 trillion over 10 years. Now that critics have begun to correct for those budget gimmicks, supporters of ObamaCare are firing back.

One gimmick makes the new entitlement spending appear smaller by not opening the spigot until late in the official 10-year budget window (2010–2019). Correcting for that gimmick in the Senate version, Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH) estimates, “When all this new spending occurs” — i.e., from 2014 through 2023 — “this bill will cost $2.5 trillion over that ten-year period.”

Another gimmick pushes much of the legislation’s costs off the federal budget and onto the private sector by requiring individuals and employers to purchase health insurance.

(A) When the bills force somebody to pay $10,000 to the government, the Congressional Budget Office treats that as a tax.

(B) When the government then hands that $10,000 to private insurers, the CBO counts that as government spending.

(C) But when the bills achieve the exact same outcome by forcing somebody to pay $10,000 directly to a private insurance company, it appears nowhere in the official CBO cost estimates — neither as federal revenues nor federal spending.

That’s a sharp departure from how the CBO treated similar mandates in the Clinton health plan. And it hides maybe 60 percent of the legislation’s total costs. When I correct for that gimmick, it brings total costs to roughly $2.5 trillion (i.e., $1 trillion/0.4).

Here’s where things get really ugly. TPMDC’s Brian Beutler calls “the” $2.5-trillion cost estimate a “doozy” of a “hysterical Republican whopper.” Not only is he incorrect ... Read more at cato-at-liberty.org ...

15 posted on 12/05/2009 7:27:59 AM PST by Liz
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To: plsjr; maggief; Grampa Dave; stephenjohnbanker; Landru; GOPJ; hoosiermama; ...
CALL CONGRESS TOLL FREE Capitol switchboard: 800-965-4701----800-828-0498------- 877-762-8762

Ask your Congressman/woman what he/she was offered (or received) in exchange for supporting ObamaCare.

Keep in mind that elected officials are held to a higher legal authority---what is acceptable behavior for citizens might be a crime for elected legislators under oath of office. Keep close watch on your Reps campaign contributions and if he/she election help from ACORN, SEIU or individuals connected to them.

The FBI should interrogate Congress to determine if anything of value was promised---money, jobs, political cover to facilitate the deception, and whether Congress is misusing the power of office.

Obama has a huge slush fund---80% of stim is unspent. June 9, 2009 Obama announced, "Several financial institutions are set to pay back $68B to taxpayers." Taxpayers assumed that would be returned to the general funds from whence it had come .......in order to pay down the debt. The truth, however, is that the money returned is finding new life as part of what amounts to a Treasury Dept-controlled slush fund.

THIS IS ILLEGAL Obama may be colluding to give something extra of value----campaign financing, district money, govt gratuities, jobs for relatives, etc----in exchange for healthcare votes. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) got $300 million for her vote.

POSSIBLE CHARGES
(official acts prohibited,
(misuse of office,
(abuse of public office,
(violating oath of office,
(misuse of government position,
(abuse of government power,
(conflict of interest;
(influence buying;
(conspiracy to deceive;
(misuse of elective office,
(collusion, conspiracy to collude.

Check your Reps official campaign finance records filed with the FEC, and state election commission, should be scrutinized for possible violations. Determine if names of contributors are legit and whether campaign funds were illegally used, and whether Reps received campaign contributions for votes.

L/E might consider: (a) conspiracy to defraud the IRS, and evade US banking laws, (b) money laundering, (c) conspiracy to commit money laundering, and, (d) aiding and abetting the preparation of false federal/state income tax returns, (e) collusion, (f) conspiracy to collude, (g) exchanging state benefits for kickbacks or other emoluments, (h) using the power of the state for election purposes.

Authorities might examine multiple conspiracies and transfers of funds as part of a money-laundering, kickback conspiracy. Government audits might show off-the-books bank accounts that were accessed solely by insiders, and that government-funds were used in various illegal schemes that might have integrated: (1) money laundering, (2) tax evasion (stolen money is taxable), (3) violations of US banking and currency laws, (4) conspiracy to commit wire fraud, (5) commercial bribery in various financial schemes, (6) establishing secret offshore bank accounts outside the purview of the IRS and US banking laws, (7) fraudulent and casual accounting practices, (8) non-existent financial oversight, (9) having a hidden financial interest in companies faking business with the company, (10) putting phantom employees on the payroll (money laundering).

There's a zillion ways to launder govt money. Stolen monies could have been disguised by re-routing monies through telephone lines with a maze of complex telecommunications' systems equipped with call-forwarding and voice mail systems, and numerous postal and commercial mail boxes..........and perhaps through money-transfer systems that operate in ethnic enclaves. Investigators may discover numerous falsified official documents.

Stolen monies could have been disguised by re-routing through a network of domestic and international bank accounts using counterfeit checks.....opening commercial bank accounts in the name of bogus businesses and wire-transferring and/or depositing gov't checks into those accounts.

Phony checks could have had invalid bank routing numbers, forged endorsements, or been drawn on the proceeds of other counterfeit checks deposited in other bank accounts. Before banks discovered the fraud, the funds might have been transferred out of the accounts……probably offshore----leaving banks unable to recoup their losses.

State and federal tax authorities could have been swindled through the use of tax-exempts (most legislators have these---they dub them "charities"). Methods may have included tax-exempt "charities" getting limited-recourse loans to artificially inflate "asset values," to fraudulently borrow real money based on “assets” that didn’t really exist.

ACTIONABLE OFFENSES MIGHT INCLUDE
(1) Encouraging the filing of false documents;
(2) Rigging legislation to benefit special interests;
(3) Forcing taxpayers to underwrite crimes against the state without their knowledge or consent (constitutes the crime of second degree coercion of taxpayers, and should be prosecuted at once);
(4) Not reporting crimes against the state (aiding and abetting).

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ACTION Taxpayers demand WH audits and phone-logs, emails, and electronic transfers. POSSIBLE CRIMES Govt fraud, conspiracy, collusion to conspire, conspiracy to steal; theft of public property and official records, etc etc etc.

FBI TIP PAGE http://tips.fbi.gov/ (you may remain anonymous)

REPORT TAX FRAUD AND TAX LAW VIOLATIONS HERE : IRS TOLL-FREE 1-800-829-0433----you may remain anonymous.

EMAIL .......OAAG.Tax@tax.USDOJ.gov

Ask the IRS to determine if taxes were paid (stolen money is taxable). IRS TOLL-FREE 1-800-829-0433—-you may remain anonymous when reporting tax fraud.

Report fiduciary negligence; signing off on falsified documents here:
EMAIL askDOJ@usdoj.gov
EMAIL enforcement@SEC.gov

16 posted on 12/05/2009 7:48:28 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz
There are two ways of avoiding the 60 seat senate rule/vote :

1) Budget reconciliation
2) Change the rules, as Dem Alan Greyson called for. With 50 Senators plus Biden.

I just don't see either. #1 has too many limitations, #2 may have been headed off by the Gang of 14 moderates that we conservatives cursed(over judges 2006).

In fact this is a great test, if Dems do change the rules, RINOS were wrong, if they don't the RINOs are heroes. (I actually was very angry at Gang of 14, but they may have been right and us wrong.)

21 posted on 12/05/2009 8:59:37 AM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: Liz; All

“Even stupid Dems know that, for them, it’s curtains in 2010-—unless massive voter fraud takes place. They need to buy votes and must get billions into the hands of their operatives-—ACORN, SEIU, immigrant groups, and others.”

If the tea party folk want to do something constructive, they need to monitor all of the polling places in the country next year.


32 posted on 12/05/2009 1:38:12 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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