>>I still need to post about the creationist got-ya games.<<
No need, I am familiar with them.
Rather than repeat their example here, I remember a Chris Mathews got-ya he uses frequently: “Do you think gays were born that way?”. If you answer no, then 1) you are ill informed (your opinion is invalid) and 2) He demands you prove how you know that. If you answer yes then since they were born with a sexual desire, basic human rights demand we allow them to act it out. For very few things liberals use this assumption.
But this is what creationists call scientific debate. Heads I win, tails you lose.