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Obama’s Birth Announcement in 1961 confirmed
The Post and Email ^ | Dec. 11, 2009 | John Charlton

Posted on 12/11/2009 1:04:21 AM PST by Electric Graffiti

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1 posted on 12/11/2009 1:04:24 AM PST by Electric Graffiti
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To: Electric Graffiti
Undoubtedly accompanied by choirs of angels and trumpet playing cherubs.

Just words, show me the paperwork. I'm sort of anal that way...

2 posted on 12/11/2009 1:09:17 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Sarah Palin - For such a time as this)
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To: Electric Graffiti

How wonderful.

Now back to the original question.

Why must he hide his Long Form Birth Certificate using lawyers?

From March, 2008 he dodged the issue, until the online COLB showed up around June, 2008.

And he was battling Hillary for the nomination.

If nothing to hide, why hide it?

The “trick the conservatives” doesn’t wash. Hillary was his major foe at that time.


3 posted on 12/11/2009 1:11:17 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: gov_bean_ counter; pissant; Diogenesis; 2ndDivisionVet; rxsid; Jeff Head

He will not show the document. But trust him, it’s just fine.

Seriously. Yah, no problem. Don’t worry. The document matches.

No, really, Obama says just trust him.

Don’t you realize how hard it is for a guy only making $350,000 a year plus $50,000 in expenses to come up with $12???

That’s like ... impossible


4 posted on 12/11/2009 1:14:13 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Electric Graffiti

Why would any sane person spend over a million dollars to hide something they knew would not harm them?


5 posted on 12/11/2009 1:14:53 AM PST by Gator113 (Obama is America's First Failed Black Pres-dent.....)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Does the DMV accept newspaper announcements as proof of identity? Should be good enough for the Muslim in Chief /s


6 posted on 12/11/2009 1:15:45 AM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: Electric Graffiti
Every American Citizen must PROVE he is such to obtain employment in this nation.

Since he doesn't, we know his citizenship status!

INDONESIAN GO HOME

7 posted on 12/11/2009 1:15:51 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I am against you," O " you most proud, said the said the Lord GOD of hosts)
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To: Electric Graffiti

Yes and!!! I thought the question was is he a NATURAL born citizen?? But I guess that is just Constitutional mumbo jumbo!


8 posted on 12/11/2009 1:19:09 AM PST by timetostand (Defund the left!! Defund the Federal Beast!)
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To: Electric Graffiti

Any reason it would be on file at Berkeley?

Assuming the reference is to UC-Berkeley, I don’t recall hearing he ever attended class there, perhaps he applied, but who sends a birth announcement with a college application?


9 posted on 12/11/2009 1:27:25 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: Electric Graffiti

Same ole thing, different day.


10 posted on 12/11/2009 1:28:10 AM PST by exnavy (God save the republic)
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To: EDINVA; Electric Graffiti

Ok, I went to the linked site. I tend to avoid that since often those links do little more than give me pop ups or worse). So, some intrepid student at UC-Berkeley sought out the microfiche from 1961.

It’s not overly impressive in that it doesn’t provide the information everyone seems to be seeking nor does it address the ‘natural born’ issue.


11 posted on 12/11/2009 1:31:44 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: F15Eagle
If nothing to hide, why hide it?

We need a Hawaii DOH hacker to bust this wide open. Whatever he's hiding, it's a 'career' ender. Most likely a long prison term.
12 posted on 12/11/2009 1:41:15 AM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: Electric Graffiti

That leaves the only possibility being that Momma Obama, knowing that her son would run for president, sent some kind of payment via email, using PayPal to bribe the guys that worked at the Microfilm processing plant in endure that an Obama birth announcement was inserted into the master file!


13 posted on 12/11/2009 1:42:56 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Electric Graffiti
"the birth annoucement in the Star Bulletin Edition of Aug. 14, 1961, for Barack Hussein Obama, is authentic""


GOOD!
GREAT!!!!!!
FANTASTIC!!!!!!



IF THIS NEWSPAPER "BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENT" IS GENUINE, THEN THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON WHATSOEVER FOR HIM TO NOT PRODUCE THE ORIGINAL, LONG FORM, HAWAIIAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!

Come on obamabots...show us the announcement, and then verify it's validity by showing us the real, long-for birth certificate. Failure to do that means you've pulled a "dan rather".
14 posted on 12/11/2009 1:46:26 AM PST by FrankR (SENATE: You cram it down our throats in '09, We'll shove it up your ass in '10...count on it.)
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To: Electric Graffiti

I am asking a question here...

Did I hear that McCain had to be officially vetted by Congress that he was, in fact, a bonafide US citizen due to his birth in a foreign (military setting) hospital, but to American parents? If this is correct, how did Obama get out of this? After all, even if he was born in HI, which is highly unlikely, his father was not an American citizen and so Barry could not be one, either. can we not request through our Congress-critters that this be done, even if it is after-the-fact?


15 posted on 12/11/2009 1:49:33 AM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Electric Graffiti

What on earth?

No one doubts that there was an announcement in this paper.

But it doesn’t mean anything: it would have been created automatically from short form, which Obama’s Grandmother could have had generated while he was still in Kenya.


16 posted on 12/11/2009 1:52:53 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: Electric Graffiti

Team Obama and their minions will talk anything, show anything, refer to anything.

But never, EVER, show the Long Form Birth Certificate.

A $12 document delivered directly from Hawaii to a federal court.

Frankly, assuming he was born in Hawaii, and I’m guessing he was, I cannot imagine what is on there, or missing from there, that frightens him this much.

But it certainly causes him to fight it at every turn.


17 posted on 12/11/2009 1:55:39 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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18 posted on 12/11/2009 2:04:08 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: trumandogz
That leaves the only possibility being that Momma Obama, knowing that her son would run for president, sent some kind of payment via email, using PayPal to bribe the guys that worked at the Microfilm processing plant in endure that an Obama birth announcement was inserted into the master file!

No need for anything that conspiratorial. Given the circumstances, if Obama were born outside the US, it is entirely possible that his mother's status was not enough to convey citizenship due to her young age (the Hawaii statutes that existed at the time, from my understanding, required the mother to have been a full time resident of the US for at least five years prior to the birth) and the father, of course, could not convey citizenship status at all. If Obama's mama (or grandparents) understood this, and wanted to ensure that Obama had the very valuable gift of American citizenship, they simply would have gone through the motions to pretend that he had been born in Hawaii. It does not have to involve any psychic ability to foresee a presidential run. US citizenship is valuable in its own right, even if you don't plan to run for president.

With respect to the birth announcement, I don't see why it means jack squat to anybody. It is just a one-line announcement giving the name of the parents and their address. It doesn't say anything about where Obama was born. It could easily have been phoned in. Who would bother to fact check a birth announcement?

Those people who like to paint the "birthers" as nutjobs like to build up the conspiracy strawmen so they can support their own bias, but it doesn't require any kind of conspiracy (until the presidential campaign) for things to have worked out in the way that some "birthers" theorize, and once the campaign began, it only required the Obama camp's minimal effort to avoid documentation of Obama's birth status to carry off the fraud. In fact, if Obama were really born in Kenya, I would imagine that his closest campaign advisors would have thought long and hard about whether they could pull of the campaign fraud using the existing birth fraud, and once they decided that it would work, they went ahead with it. So far, Obama's actions regarding his birth certificate seem to support the fraud theory.
19 posted on 12/11/2009 2:07:55 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: Shery
...his (McCain) birth in a foreign (military setting) hospital

John Sidney McCain III was born at the Colon Hospital, a civilian hospital, located at Avenida Melendez and 2nd Street, Manzanillo Island, City of Colon, Republic of Panama.  The time of birth on the birth certificate issued by Panama Railroad Company (which owned the Colon Hospital) was 5:25 PM and the day and date of birth was Saturday, August 29, 1936.

McCain was not vetted by Congress. Here's what happened.


20 posted on 12/11/2009 2:20:03 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: LucyT

Ping


21 posted on 12/11/2009 2:22:53 AM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: gov_bean_ counter

I say let’s have a BIRTHDAY PARTY /sarc


22 posted on 12/11/2009 2:23:28 AM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT (HAPPY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY!! =^..^=)
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To: fr_freak
the Hawaii statutes that existed at the time, from my understanding, required the mother to have been a full time resident of the US for at least five years prior to the birth...

Could you please point me to the place in the Constitution that states that Hawaii Law determines who and who is not a US citizen?

The Framers must have had some great foresight and trust. Foresight to know that Hawaii would one day be a state and trust in the Hawaii State Legislature to define U.S. citizenship.

23 posted on 12/11/2009 2:25:45 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: MissDairyGoodnessVT

I’ll bet we can come with a list of really cool gifts... :)


24 posted on 12/11/2009 2:26:14 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Sarah Palin - For such a time as this)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

so...if you were going to the ‘bamsters birthday party what would you bring?


25 posted on 12/11/2009 2:43:40 AM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT (HAPPY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY!! =^..^=)
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To: MissDairyGoodnessVT
A tape of ME!!!!
26 posted on 12/11/2009 2:46:14 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Sarah Palin - For such a time as this)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

why would you bring a tape of you? just asking...........


27 posted on 12/11/2009 2:48:47 AM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT (HAPPY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY!! =^..^=)
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To: F15Eagle
Why must he hide his Long Form Birth Certificate using lawyers?

My pet theory is that on the Long Form where it asks for the name of the father it says “unknown”.

Dunham was raped by person or persons unknown, after his birth when they saw the probable race of the father her parents bribed a Kenyan classmate of their daughter to enter into a sham marriage. After a decent interval the sham marriage was ended by divorce. No child support or anything, that wasn't part of the deal, just give the kid a name.

Kind of tough to portray yourself as Barack Obama Jr. if you have no real family relationship to Barack Obama Sr. And impossible if the name doesn't appear on the original birth certificate.

As I said, just my pet theory.

28 posted on 12/11/2009 2:51:27 AM PST by Cheburashka ("Allahu Akbar!" translates as "Kill me and stuff bacon in my mouth!")
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To: MissDairyGoodnessVT
Because I don't have tape of the Queen of England...

Or I could download my favorite "Mommas and the Poppas" from my very own IPOD and give him a mini-IPOD.

29 posted on 12/11/2009 2:51:36 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Sarah Palin - For such a time as this)
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To: Electric Graffiti

From the article:

“I wanted to test the veracity of the Advertiser and Star Bulletin birth annoucements so I went on my own quest for the microfiche that might be located outside of HI. I located the microfiche at UC Berkeley (I know, the most liberal bastion in the world) for the Star Bulletin. The CA State Library has the Advertiser microfiche for August 1961 which I am still working on obtaining images from.”

Are the Star Bulletin and the Advertiser the same publication? Is he just saying that microfiche for the Hawaiian Advertiser found at Berkeley matches the existing announcement? What is the Star Bulletin?


30 posted on 12/11/2009 2:54:35 AM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: gov_bean_ counter

the poor ole’Queen Mum-lover of champagne at brekkie and G&T’s for lunch then on to martinis @4pm & sherry & port in the evening PLUS all the ponies she played! Lilibet had to pay a tidy sum to cover the 7mil english pound frikkin’ overdraft upon Mumsie’s death..now where we ? oh, yes,
Lilibet- you can find her on YouTube, quite a monarch i hear....


31 posted on 12/11/2009 2:56:15 AM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT (HAPPY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY!! =^..^=)
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To: Cheburashka

Obama mama daddy (paternal grandfather) made sure Barry hung out with Frank Marshall Davis (until Obama says he couldn’t stand it any more).

This is recorded in one of Obama’s books.

Coincidence?


32 posted on 12/11/2009 2:57:47 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Electric Graffiti

Yeah, and I’m the tooth fairy. Why? Because a highly credible source says so.


33 posted on 12/11/2009 3:03:11 AM PST by 1951Boomer
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To: Smokeyblue

No, they are two seperate papers. He is saying that at Berkely he found the advertisement in the Star Bulletin and is going to check out the CA State Library for the announcement in the “Advertiser”.


34 posted on 12/11/2009 3:20:53 AM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: Electric Graffiti; Jeremiah Jr; null and void; Yehuda
The usurper has Jesus beat, as far as discussion over the circumstances surrounding his birth. Now we know why baby Jesus goes missing out of so many nativity scenes each year. Watch out for the replacements - they'll have a darker skin tone.

Now the birth of Barack was on this wise: When as his mother Stanley was espoused to Obama Sr., before they came together, she was found with child of Frank Marshall Davis or Malcolm X.

35 posted on 12/11/2009 3:21:52 AM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: trumandogz
Could you please point me to the place in the Constitution that states that Hawaii Law determines who and who is not a US citizen?

The Framers must have had some great foresight and trust. Foresight to know that Hawaii would one day be a state and trust in the Hawaii State Legislature to define U.S. citizenship.


My mistake. The statute was federal, not Hawaii. See below, especially the part in bold, which would apply to Obama's mother (and Obama, himself) if he were not born in the US.

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1952 The Immigration and Nationality Act of June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 163, 235, 8 U.S. Code Section 1401 (b). (Section 301 of the Act).

"Section 301. (a) The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

"(1) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

"(7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States, who prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.

(b) Any person who is a national and citizen of the United States at birth under paragraph (7) of subsection (a), shall lose his nationality and citizenship unless he shall come to the United States prior to attaining the age of twenty-three years and shall immediately following any such coming be continuously physically present in the United State(s) for at least five years: Provided, That such physical presence follows the attainment of the age of fourteen years and precedes the age of twenty-eight years.

(c) Subsection (b) shall apply to a person born abroad subsequent to May 24, 1934: Provided, however, That nothing contained in this subsection shall be construed to alter or affect the citizenship of any person born abroad subsequent to May 24, 1934, who, prior to the effective date of this Act, has taken up a residence in the United States before attaining the age of sixteen years, and thereafter, whether before or after the effective date of this Act, complies or shall comply with the residence requirements for retention of citizenship specified in subsections (g) and (h) of section 201 of the Nationality Act of 1940, as amended."
36 posted on 12/11/2009 3:23:35 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: Shery
“Did I hear that McCain had to be officially vetted by Congress..”

Yup. And the cherry on that particular parfait is that Obozo himself was one of the people on the panel that approved McCains status.

37 posted on 12/11/2009 3:33:54 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: Gator113
Why would any sane person spend over a million dollars to hide something they knew would not harm them?

It's now up to two million.
38 posted on 12/11/2009 3:42:28 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: fr_freak
State law actually did determine who was, or was not a citizen, naturalized or by birth, at the time the Constitution was ratified, and so State law comes into play, as far as any understanding of the term natural born citizen. In a Constitutional Republic, various States enter into a Confederation, and laws betweem them vary. Attempts to standardize or "federalize" citizenship law did not occur until after the Civil War.

The overarching Constitution between the Several States composing the Republic must accomodate all the Several States, as far as Federal elections, and so eligibility requirements would have to accomodate the various means of determining natural born citizenship. Some states granted this to those born within their geographic boundaries alone. Others required citizen parents. So, both for a President, in order to conform to the laws of all. Vattel covers this.

This is the reason that no law exists outside the Constitution itself, defining the term, because the definition of the term varied between the Several States, and the Several States made this determination themselves. Agreement between them as to the eligibility of a President required birth under both jus sanguinis and jus soli, citizen parents and born of the soil, in order to satisfy them all.

39 posted on 12/11/2009 3:45:02 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: fr_freak
(the Hawaii statutes that existed at the time, from my understanding, required the mother to have been a full time resident of the US for at least five years prior to the birth)

That was a federal law. The law stated the following:

For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child).
40 posted on 12/11/2009 3:48:30 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: trumandogz
Could you please point me to the place in the Constitution that states that Hawaii Law determines who and who is not a US citizen?

See post #40
41 posted on 12/11/2009 3:50:21 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: RegulatorCountry; Man50D

I was incorrect in my statement about Hawaiian citizenship law. It was actually a federal statute that I had in mind, which I’ve quoted in post #36


42 posted on 12/11/2009 3:52:27 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak; trumandogz
Could you please point me to the place in the Constitution that states that Hawaii Law determines who and who is not a US citizen?

First and foremost, Natural Born status is a constitutional test that was established when the Constitution was written. It required both parents to be Citizens (Naturalized is fine) and the individual to be Born in the US. (Except for persons who were simply Citizens on the date of the adoption of the Constitution. - Which BO doesn't qualify)

This test only has meaning for one person, the candidate for President being offered to the electoral college.

Starting with the 14th Amendment, the status of "Citizen" began to be defined leading to the current laws and regulations defining Citizenship but none of this really has that much bearing on the Natural Born Citizen status defined by the Constitution in Article 2, Section 1. In the case of Barack Obama, the birth certificate is only important in establishing that he actually is listed as a child of a non-citizen, because this would establish that indeed as is already agreed by all parties, Barack Obama was a British Citizen at birth as well because his father never was a citizen of the United States. The whole Birth Certificate issue is a distraction unless it shows someone else is his father, which it doesn't.

Many are arguing that Barack Obama is not a Citizen at all.. which would be more clearly disqualifying and there is significant evidence that this may indeed be the case, but all of this is ultimately moot because this debate must have been finished before the President was inaugurated, and it wasn't.

The reason to chase this down and all of Barack Obama's missing records is one of proving or disproving that BO has achieved his office by committing a fraud or frauds. This knowledge is the right of every citizen.

43 posted on 12/11/2009 3:54:50 AM PST by dalight
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bump


44 posted on 12/11/2009 4:03:45 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: dalight
First and foremost, Natural Born status is a constitutional test that was established when the Constitution was written...

This may all be true, but my reason for posting that particular statute was to demonstrate a simple motive for Obama's mother or grandparents to lie about his birth location, without there needing to be any grand conspiracy to make Obama president. Given that the statute could quite possibly deny Obama citizenship entirely, it establishes a good motive for his family to lie about his place of birth well before any of his political ambitions. People who like to ridicule "birthers" tend to claim that a grand conspiracy theory is necessary to explain all of the goings-on in order to make the whole thing seem more far-fetched than it really is.
45 posted on 12/11/2009 4:04:39 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: F15Eagle

Sorry....but I have NEVER seen his LONG FORM BC....have you?? really??? Please show again....missed it in June 08.


46 posted on 12/11/2009 4:18:15 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: fr_freak

You’re right, it’s all very simple.

Barack’s grandparents wanted him to grow up as an American (with all the advantages that would give him), rather than as a Kenyan.

Amongst other things, the proud grandparents made sure a birth announcement appeared in the local paper.

To be totally certain, one would have to find out who placed that announcement. Was it the hospital or the grandparents? I doubt that information still exists.


47 posted on 12/11/2009 4:31:59 AM PST by Fresh Wind ("...a whip of political correctness strangles their voice"-Vaclav Klaus on GW skeptics)
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To: Electric Graffiti
LOL, does anyone truly consider Berkeley to be a credible source for ANYTHING having anything remotely to do with BHO?

:)

48 posted on 12/11/2009 4:33:48 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: Electric Graffiti

I have no doubt that he was born. The question is, where?


49 posted on 12/11/2009 4:34:02 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (The trouble liberals isn't that they are ignorant; it is that they know so much that isn't so.)
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To: exnavy
Hello, Navy,
IMHO, “even if” it was definitively proved bho was NOT native born and eligible to be the POTUS, I do not believe there is any way he would be impeached or removed from office.

The SCOTUS nor Congress have the cajones to do it, and only an armed revolution would accomplish it, IMHO. How many would participate in an armed revolution? Not enough,IMHO.
(Then again in the original revolution not all Americans participated on either side.)

Former Marine.

50 posted on 12/11/2009 5:18:31 AM PST by Tahoe3002
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