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Obama’s Birth Announcement in 1961 confirmed
The Post and Email ^ | Dec. 11, 2009 | John Charlton

Posted on 12/11/2009 1:04:21 AM PST by Electric Graffiti

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To: trumandogz
Could you please point me to the place in the Constitution that states that Hawaii Law determines who and who is not a US citizen?

See post #40
41 posted on 12/11/2009 3:50:21 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: RegulatorCountry; Man50D

I was incorrect in my statement about Hawaiian citizenship law. It was actually a federal statute that I had in mind, which I’ve quoted in post #36


42 posted on 12/11/2009 3:52:27 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak; trumandogz
Could you please point me to the place in the Constitution that states that Hawaii Law determines who and who is not a US citizen?

First and foremost, Natural Born status is a constitutional test that was established when the Constitution was written. It required both parents to be Citizens (Naturalized is fine) and the individual to be Born in the US. (Except for persons who were simply Citizens on the date of the adoption of the Constitution. - Which BO doesn't qualify)

This test only has meaning for one person, the candidate for President being offered to the electoral college.

Starting with the 14th Amendment, the status of "Citizen" began to be defined leading to the current laws and regulations defining Citizenship but none of this really has that much bearing on the Natural Born Citizen status defined by the Constitution in Article 2, Section 1. In the case of Barack Obama, the birth certificate is only important in establishing that he actually is listed as a child of a non-citizen, because this would establish that indeed as is already agreed by all parties, Barack Obama was a British Citizen at birth as well because his father never was a citizen of the United States. The whole Birth Certificate issue is a distraction unless it shows someone else is his father, which it doesn't.

Many are arguing that Barack Obama is not a Citizen at all.. which would be more clearly disqualifying and there is significant evidence that this may indeed be the case, but all of this is ultimately moot because this debate must have been finished before the President was inaugurated, and it wasn't.

The reason to chase this down and all of Barack Obama's missing records is one of proving or disproving that BO has achieved his office by committing a fraud or frauds. This knowledge is the right of every citizen.

43 posted on 12/11/2009 3:54:50 AM PST by dalight
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44 posted on 12/11/2009 4:03:45 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: dalight
First and foremost, Natural Born status is a constitutional test that was established when the Constitution was written...

This may all be true, but my reason for posting that particular statute was to demonstrate a simple motive for Obama's mother or grandparents to lie about his birth location, without there needing to be any grand conspiracy to make Obama president. Given that the statute could quite possibly deny Obama citizenship entirely, it establishes a good motive for his family to lie about his place of birth well before any of his political ambitions. People who like to ridicule "birthers" tend to claim that a grand conspiracy theory is necessary to explain all of the goings-on in order to make the whole thing seem more far-fetched than it really is.
45 posted on 12/11/2009 4:04:39 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: F15Eagle

Sorry....but I have NEVER seen his LONG FORM BC....have you?? really??? Please show again....missed it in June 08.


46 posted on 12/11/2009 4:18:15 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: fr_freak

You’re right, it’s all very simple.

Barack’s grandparents wanted him to grow up as an American (with all the advantages that would give him), rather than as a Kenyan.

Amongst other things, the proud grandparents made sure a birth announcement appeared in the local paper.

To be totally certain, one would have to find out who placed that announcement. Was it the hospital or the grandparents? I doubt that information still exists.


47 posted on 12/11/2009 4:31:59 AM PST by Fresh Wind ("...a whip of political correctness strangles their voice"-Vaclav Klaus on GW skeptics)
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To: Electric Graffiti
LOL, does anyone truly consider Berkeley to be a credible source for ANYTHING having anything remotely to do with BHO?

:)

48 posted on 12/11/2009 4:33:48 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: Electric Graffiti

I have no doubt that he was born. The question is, where?


49 posted on 12/11/2009 4:34:02 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (The trouble liberals isn't that they are ignorant; it is that they know so much that isn't so.)
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To: exnavy
Hello, Navy,
IMHO, “even if” it was definitively proved bho was NOT native born and eligible to be the POTUS, I do not believe there is any way he would be impeached or removed from office.

The SCOTUS nor Congress have the cajones to do it, and only an armed revolution would accomplish it, IMHO. How many would participate in an armed revolution? Not enough,IMHO.
(Then again in the original revolution not all Americans participated on either side.)

Former Marine.

50 posted on 12/11/2009 5:18:31 AM PST by Tahoe3002
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To: Electric Graffiti

Yes I just got my CCW using a newspaper birth announcement.


51 posted on 12/11/2009 5:18:31 AM PST by omega4179 (0 is an embarrassment to us all.)
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To: Fresh Wind

From what I understand his grandparents applied for his BC while he was in abstentia...then the HI DOH forwarded that on to the local newspapers.

Someone went to interview neighbhors of the address in the birth announcement. They had lived there 50 years and could not remeber a black man and white woman (with child) ever living there.

The property owner of said address was one of BHO Sr.’s professors.


52 posted on 12/11/2009 5:19:18 AM PST by bjorn14 (Waterboard Obama. See if he knows anything.)
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To: norwaypinesavage

More importantly, it confirms he was born to a father who was a British subject and, therefore, he is ineligible to be president.

From the article:

“The confirmation that a British subject was the legal, declared father of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., establishes more firmly the charge that he is ineligible for office, since to be president the U.S. Constitution requires that one be a natural born citizen, and no natural born citizen can have a foreigner as a parent.”


53 posted on 12/11/2009 5:20:54 AM PST by balls (Sarah, get off your facebook and do something!)
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To: balls

“The confirmation that a British subject was the legal, declared father of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., establishes more firmly the charge that he is ineligible for office, since to be president the U.S. Constitution requires that one be a natural born citizen, and no natural born citizen can have a foreigner as a parent.”

For some reason, this factor is being ignored yet it’s the simplest one to explain and defend.


54 posted on 12/11/2009 5:26:10 AM PST by balls (Sarah, get off your facebook and do something!)
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To: Cheburashka

Hmmm...interesting theory

AND/OR Madeline Dunham’s name appears on that BC


55 posted on 12/11/2009 5:29:14 AM PST by bjorn14 (Waterboard Obama. See if he knows anything.)
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To: Shery
If this is correct, how did Obama get out of this?

I think he was clean, articulate, "Democrat", and black. As so, politically unimpeachable.

56 posted on 12/11/2009 5:31:52 AM PST by stayathomemom (Beware of cat attacks while typing!)
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To: Electric Graffiti

He does make a point. All this says is that A child was born to BHO, SR. The mother is not named.
Since he apparently have children all over the world with different women, this doc. doesn’t prove or disprove ANYTHING.


57 posted on 12/11/2009 5:31:55 AM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: balls

Because of our system of checks and balances, only congress can enforce the laws on this issue. There is no way in hell that this congress is going to do anything that threatens their rubber stamp in the white house. The dimrat party has totally corrupted the presidential elections process. McCain and the rest us got so punked in the last election assuming that it was being run evenly on both sides. The people in the dim party that allowed ozero to move forward need to be held responsible. ozero is the acting president and other than the ‘12 election, I can’t see anything touching the boy king. I used to get just fighting mad about this, but I don’t see anyone aside from freepers and a few others who even give a damn. The dangerous thing I see coming down the road, other than the current “leadership”, is that the dimrats have set a precedent on who can be president from their party. Who’s next? a blatant in your face illegal alien?
Part of me thinks that mccain knew all this, but was afraid to bring it up because of all the media who was campaigning for our first historic doofus.


58 posted on 12/11/2009 5:34:58 AM PST by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: Shery
Did I hear that McCain had to be officially vetted by Congress that he was, in fact, a bonafide US citizen due to his birth in a foreign (military setting) hospital, but to American parents?

Did he have to be? No. Was he? Yes, by a non-binding resolution. Congress did pretty much the same thing for Obama with their resolution on the 50th anniversary of Hawaian statehood. So the two are even.

59 posted on 12/11/2009 5:37:25 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: agere_contra
But it doesn’t mean anything: it would have been created automatically from short form, which Obama’s Grandmother could have had generated while he was still in Kenya.

Sure it could.

60 posted on 12/11/2009 5:38:11 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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