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Birth Certificate Submitted by Obama's Grandmother
Western Journalism ^ | 12/12/2009 | borderraven

Posted on 12/12/2009 12:28:23 AM PST by BorderRaven

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To: jws3sticks
Who is going to lead the effort to get this guy and his group the heck out of the White House?

It will become obvious in the next 12 months that he cannot be allowed to continue.

This cannot and will not be resolved by legal means unless a majority of sitting Federal officials who are Democrats agree.

On the question of whether or not they will, much rests.

51 posted on 12/12/2009 12:55:48 PM PST by Jim Noble (Hu's the communist?)
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To: Candor7; BP2

Please see #42 and any help would be appreciated.


52 posted on 12/12/2009 1:03:06 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: BorderRaven

btt


53 posted on 12/12/2009 1:29:26 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: rolling_stone
I believe that is not Obamas BC. 1st off it doesnt coincide with Hawaii DOH statement that Obama was born in Hawaii. 2nd the boxes near the signatures appear to have been whited out and the xx’s appear to be typewritten. 3rd The signatures appear to be done by the same handwritting and the 8 for month next to Madelyn's name appears to be an attempt to disguise handwriting. 4th There is no file number on the BC. 5th there are numerous broken lines 6th it would not be a delayed BC. 7th,Kalanianole (address) is misspelled.

Look also at Items 6a, 6b and 6c.

Under "Place of Birth: City, Town or Rural Location on 6a, we have: "Honolulu 1" (no idea what the "1" means, other than a typo).

Under "Island," on 6b, we have "Oahu".

Then, on 6c, under "Name of Hospital or Institution," we have "Unknown - Kenya, Africa."

So, this child was born in Hawaii, on the island of Oahu, in an unknown hospital in Kenya. Okey, dokey.

This is an incredibly sloppy, and funny, forgery.

By the way, for those who can't find the link, it's in the first post, but it's not a live link. You'll have to copy and paste it into your browser. It won't bite.

54 posted on 12/12/2009 1:35:57 PM PST by browardchad ("Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own fact." - Daniel P Moynihan)
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To: BIGLOOK

The question remains, why would Madelyn Payne Dunham misspell her own christian name and the name of the Street?

The first two signatures on the Hawaii 'document' appear to be written by the same hand.

I do not see this as a 'birth certificate' but as an application. From which a certification of live birth was FILED.

NOT ACCEPTED.

If the application is genuine, we must ask how was it obtained? And who filled in the form? I very much doubt that Madelyn had anything to do with it. Who might it have been that didn't know how to spell Madelyn...nor the the name of the street? A foreigner to Hawaii?

55 posted on 12/12/2009 1:37:55 PM PST by Fred Nerks
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To: Balata

I believe those numbers have been proven to be so far off it couldn’t be real.


56 posted on 12/12/2009 1:40:32 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Fred Nerks
Related thread from a few months ago

Signed Certificate of Live Birth for BO[FR thread from Oct 20, 09]
57 posted on 12/12/2009 1:42:47 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Did the Twins Birth Announcement ever turn up?
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No, it did not. Not that week, not the next week, or the next week........

Theirs was removed, the microfilm tampered with and barry’s was inserted in that spot.


58 posted on 12/12/2009 1:48:18 PM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: mojitojoe

If the Obama announcement was triggered by a Hawaii DOH certificate filing you would think the Nordyke twins would be in there somewhere.


59 posted on 12/12/2009 1:54:21 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: WellyP

That’s an urban legend.

Travel to Pakistan by American citizens was not banned by the U.S. or Pakistan. It was so easy for Americans to travel to Pakistan in 1981 that Pakistan was issuing 30-day visas to Americans upon arrival at any airport in Pakistan.

I’ve posted (on FR) the relevant Travel Advisory issued by the U.S. State Department in 1981. It summarizes the above information and further indicates that if American citizens plan to stay in Pakistan longer than 30 days they must apply for a longer-term visa prior to travelling there.

You can verify this information yourself by searching FR for the travel advisory.


60 posted on 12/12/2009 1:55:11 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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To: rolling_stone

I agree, but won’t rule anything out.


61 posted on 12/12/2009 1:59:16 PM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: BIGLOOK

62 posted on 12/12/2009 2:02:52 PM PST by Fred Nerks
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To: Genoa
"... he was by his own admission born the son of a British citizen, and was therefore a British citizen at birth—and not a natural born citizen of the United States." Yup, my thoughts as well.
63 posted on 12/12/2009 2:04:34 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: shield
I believe those numbers have been proven to be so far off it couldn’t be real.

Unless the Hawaiian DoH added the law cite at a later date.

The offset type is a clue.

"1. Birthplace: Kenya; Registered Honolulu HRS 338-17.8 per Grandmother”

64 posted on 12/12/2009 2:36:40 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Fred Nerks
You'll notice Fred that Hawaii adds remarks to their Certificates of Lives Births at later dates. On the Nordyke birth certificate, Hawaiian DoH added remarks almost 5 years later after the birth, dated "5-5-1966" .

This gives credibility that the added cited law "HRS 338-17.8" to the purported Obama BC as following DoH practicing office form.

65 posted on 12/12/2009 3:02:28 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

I’m in favour of KISS - keep it short and simple.

Obama Sr is not the father.

And who-ever it was that filled in that application to register a birth (regardless of where that birth took place) couldn’t spell MADELYN OR THE NAME OF THE STREET.

Now who might that have been?

Someone who didn’t know Madelyn well or at all, and someone who never lived in the street on the application.

An AFRICAN.


66 posted on 12/12/2009 3:10:04 PM PST by Fred Nerks
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To: Red Steel
I had thought I read when this first came out the numbers were way off numerically...in 1961 the numbers were much different...not the way they appear on this BC.

This not the first time this particular BC has been discussed. Also another teeny weeny problem is there was NO mother or father's name on the BC the impostor found that had been done by his grandmother. This is a fake; the attorney Mario Apuzzo proved almost immediately it was a fake.

67 posted on 12/12/2009 3:17:21 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: shield

I’ll say probably fake. Noway to know for sure unless the the issuing authority in Hawaii says one way or another.

Which brings up another subject. Hawaii has set up a system where someone with interests cannot authenticate the veracity of their COLBs when someone presents it to a employer or other significant matter. Hawaii appears to be a identity thief’s paradise.


68 posted on 12/12/2009 3:28:51 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: shield
I had thought I read when this first came out the numbers were way off numerically...in 1961 the numbers were much different...not the way they appear on this BC.

Obama was born about 18 hours before the Nordyke twins where he should have a lower birth certificate file number than the twins but he does not. It could be something significant.

69 posted on 12/12/2009 3:34:00 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009; null and void; LucyT; Candor7
Who is “Martin Erickson” (sig near bottom) -—marked NOT a doctor or midwife but “OTHER” ...

Name: Martin Erickson
Phone Number: 525-0547
Address: 614 Kaha St, Kailua, Hawaii 96734-1201 (1992)
[1509 Francis, Albany, California 94706-1001 (1992)]
[1015 Aoloa Pl #456, Kailua, Hawaii 96734]

Name: Carolly L Erickson
Phone Number: 525-0547
Address: 417 K St, Davis, California 95616-0901 (1993)
[General Delivery, Davis, California 95616-0701 (1993)]
[614 Kaha St, Kailua, Hawaii 96734]

Looking on Zabasearch, you will also find listings in Chelan, Washington.

Carolly L. Bliss, born about 1943 married Ronald Mark Erickson, born 1942/43, in Los Angeles on June 6, 1964 and they were divorced in Alameda County in October 1976. They have a son Harold. Ronald's grandfather was named John Martin Erickson, so that could be why he used the name Martin.

Distinguished historian Carolly Erickson is the author of The Hidden Diary of Marie Antoinette, The First Elizabeth, Great Catherine, Alexandra and many other prize-winning works of fiction and nonfiction. She lives in Hawaii.

She graduated from John Marshall High School in Los Angeles and the University of Washington in 1963. In 1969 she received her PhD in European History from Columbia University. She later taught history at the University of Hawaii for several years. She also plays jazz piano.

In her book, "The Secret Life of Josephine", Carolly Erickson creates a marriage of fact and fiction to bring historical figures to life.

I would have to assume that Carolly was good friends with Stanley Ann Dunham, another lover of jazz, in both Washington and Hawaii.
70 posted on 12/12/2009 3:41:48 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Red Steel; Brown Deer

Now there are three mistakes:

The ‘applicant’ couldn’t spell MADELYN.

The ‘applicant’ couldn’t spell the name of the street.

The ‘applicant’ signs Ericson for Erickson:

Name: Martin Erickson
Phone Number: 525-0547
Address: 614 Kaha St, Kailua, Hawaii 96734-1201 (1992)
[1509 Francis, Albany, California 94706-1001 (1992)]
[1015 Aoloa Pl #456, Kailua, Hawaii 96734]

No forger would be THAT stupid.


71 posted on 12/12/2009 4:01:03 PM PST by Fred Nerks
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To: Red Steel; BIGLOOK; Brown Deer

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2366539/posts?page=161#161

FROM OCTOBER:

Fractal Trader; LucyT; Beckwith
just read through all the comments again, can’t see where anyone noted the source of the ‘document’

http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/the-blaine-document/

The Blaine Document
October 19, 2009 by John Charlton

WILLIAM BLAINE RELEASES PURPORTED OBAMA CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH
by John Charlton

(Oct. 20, 2009) — At 10:22 PM Last evening someone purporting to be William Blaine issued the following email:

Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:15:27 -0400
Subject: Obama Birth Proof
+ Cert.pdf

My client has asked me to share this with you and asks that you share it with as many patriots as possible so that it cannot be scrubbed from existance.

I trust you will know what to do with this.

Attached to this email was the following Certificate of Live Birth of Barack Hussein Obama, which contains no file number:

etc...


72 posted on 12/12/2009 4:12:09 PM PST by Fred Nerks
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To: Fred Nerks

Maybe someone should just send an e-mail to Erickson’s brother Jack and ask him if he knows, whether they knew each other or not.

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jadrma&id=I00006

It sure is interesting that both Stanley and Carolly are the same age, went to the University of Washington together at the same time, both lived in Hawaii and both were interested in jazz.


73 posted on 12/12/2009 4:16:11 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Red Steel

It because it is a fake...


74 posted on 12/12/2009 4:35:21 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Brown Deer; mojitojoe
It sure is interesting that both Stanley and Carolly are the same age, went to the University of Washington together at the same time, both lived in Hawaii and both were interested in jazz.

...and when O Sr received his instructions to register the birth, the details were read to him by telephone, he wrote down the names and address phonetically, and that's how you get Ericson for Erickson, Madlyn for Madelyn, and Kalanlanaole for the street...

75 posted on 12/12/2009 4:54:12 PM PST by Fred Nerks
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6085 Kalanianaole

6085 Kalanlanaole

Only a foreigner (not a forger)would have THAT problem.


76 posted on 12/12/2009 5:09:16 PM PST by Fred Nerks
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To: BorderRaven

This is confusing. Was he born Barak Hussein Obama, changed his name to Barry Soetoro then changed his name back to Barak H Obama?


77 posted on 12/12/2009 5:17:05 PM PST by swheats (America! America! God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law!)
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To: nathanbedford; DontTreadOnMe2009
This is the document however it’s validity is highly suspect as you’ll discover in the subsequent posts.
78 posted on 12/12/2009 5:23:17 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: bogusname; gov_bean_ counter

I don’t hire anybody in my company if I can’t validate the information on their application.

And we DO check everything.


79 posted on 12/12/2009 5:27:17 PM PST by gitmo (FR vs DU: n4mage vs DUmage)
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To: Fred Nerks; nathanbedford
Thank you, Fred.

Yeoman's work, as usual!

And....Mele Kaliklkimaka to you and yours!
80 posted on 12/12/2009 5:32:40 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: Red Steel

I believe the date 5-5-1966 is when that BC was issued, probably needed for entry into kindergarten. One might have been issued at DOB but misplaced and thus another replacement one made.


81 posted on 12/12/2009 5:38:10 PM PST by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: mojitojoe

Do you have a source that the Nordyke twins announcement never turned up? The parents could be contacted to confirm.


82 posted on 12/12/2009 5:39:43 PM PST by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: BIGLOOK
Mele Kaliklkimaka to you and yours!

Beauty Mate! Happy Christmas!

83 posted on 12/12/2009 5:42:04 PM PST by Fred Nerks
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To: Red Steel

I forgot to mention if the Nordyke twins went to kindergarten at Punahou they would be accepted around that time of year and need the BC then.


84 posted on 12/12/2009 5:44:08 PM PST by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: Fred Nerks

I agree. If you were going to fake something, wouldn’t you spell the names right? All one has to do is google Barry’s granny’s name.


85 posted on 12/12/2009 7:59:29 PM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: bjorn14; WellyP

You both make the important points, why do we have to get de-railed by all the other stuff.

Mother could not confer citizenship due to age and Father was British.

He admits to dual citizenship.

Neither of these points can exist for a Natural Born Citizen.

How I wish we could stick to these points!


86 posted on 12/12/2009 8:08:32 PM PST by 3D-JOY
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

The elusive “Martin Blain Erickson” isn’t the only one who might clear some of this up.

Assuming all 0’s alleged records at Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard haven’t been destroyed, they still exist, and there are people who have access to them.

Surreptitious access, perhaps, but access.

As anger toward this man grows, watch for leaks.

Someone knows the truth. Many more may have access to it. The question is how much they will risk to let it be known.


87 posted on 12/12/2009 8:17:01 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: Fred Nerks

very interesting


88 posted on 12/12/2009 8:40:51 PM PST by Gemsbok (Dead men tell no tales!)
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To: BorderRaven

Even if this b/c is contemporanous to Obama’s birth, it can not be his legal birth certificate.

He is said to have been legally adopted by LoLo Seotoro when he was 6 years old. Obama’s legal birth certificate would show his name as Barry Seotoro with Lolo as his father.

The only way BHO-III could be Obama’s father on his legal b/c is if Lolo gave up custody of Barry, Barack came to the US from Kenya and adopted his “son”. You can change your name legally but you can’t change your parents; think about it.


89 posted on 12/12/2009 8:57:50 PM PST by Brytani (Support Lt. Col Allen West for Congress - www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: rolling_stone

How could there possibly be any passport usage from Stanley Ann in 2008?~?!?!?!

Do you happen to have a source for this info? I’ve kept up with the eligibility issue but have not heard about this Thank You


90 posted on 12/12/2009 9:03:47 PM PST by Brytani (Support Lt. Col Allen West for Congress - www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: rolling_stone

Eleanor Nordyke sits in her living room in Manoa with her twin daughters' scrapbook. They were born within hours of President-elect Barack Obama; the twins also graduated from Punahou with Obama.

HONOLULU ADVERTISER

announcement link

announcement link

The birth certificate for Nordyke posted on this thread shows the date as accepted by registrar being Aug ll, 1961, although the birth is dated August 5.

91 posted on 12/12/2009 9:27:04 PM PST by Fred Nerks
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To: bjorn14

I agree with you — I have always seen him this way.
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BHO doesn’t care what happens to him because he is really in his stone-cold heart a suicide bomber trying to destroy the USA.


92 posted on 12/12/2009 9:49:05 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

That can’t be the original certificate. It could be if it did not have that typed annotation at the bottom. That law didn’t come into effect until 1982. (HRS 338-17.8). Also a more likely signature “set” would be a faked Stanley Ann signature as “informant”, and Grandma Tut as “witness”. No local registrar’s signature, since it would have been submitted directly to the state registrar.
With a bit of adjustment of the dates, which maybe just the date of birth, the signature of Stanley Ann could be genuine, they did have air mail in those days you know. (Grandma mails form to Stanley Ann, who signs it, whereever she was and then granny signs and submits the form to the state for filing.


93 posted on 12/12/2009 10:15:24 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: browardchad
"Honolulu 1" (no idea what the "1" means, other than a typo).

It's supposed to be a footnote to the information in block 23.

94 posted on 12/12/2009 10:27:57 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Fred Nerks

Sounds like Dan Nakaso at the Honoulu Advertiser has it all figured out. Ogabe was born at the Kapi-’olani Medical Center for Women & Children within hours of the Nordyke twins. What do we need his birth certificate for? /s


95 posted on 12/12/2009 10:35:47 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: Fred Nerks
I do not see this as a 'birth certificate' but as an application. From which a certification of live birth was FILED.

No that is the form. The way it is usually done is that the mother or someone else, supplies the information, it's typed up at the hospital on this form, which is then signed by the appropriate people in the appropriate places. For a birth not in a hospital, in 1961, it might have been filled in by hand, and their would likely not be a "local registrar" signature, (block 21), which is usually a hospital official. The "witness" could be a relative or friend of the parent(s), rather than a doctor or midwife.

96 posted on 12/12/2009 10:37:36 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: rolling_stone
I believe the date 5-5-1966 is when that BC was issued, probably needed for entry into kindergarten. One might have been issued at DOB but misplaced and thus another replacement one made.

Exactly, and that date was on the bottom of the copy, along with the seal, which indicates that it is a certified copy. It's not on the part that is a copy of the original. That's the way it was done, BC, before computers, and "AM", after microfilm. Before microfilm, you might get a handwritten or typed abstract, sort of like the computer generated abstract of these AC, after computer, days. Many states are now, or have plans to, go to just digitizing the whole original, as well as entering the data from it into a database. That way it's searchble, but when you need a copy, you get a copy, not an abstract, computer generated or not.

97 posted on 12/12/2009 10:45:19 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: 3D-JOY
Mother could not confer citizenship due to age and Father was British.

Mother could not "confer" citizenship *IF* she was legally married (under the law where the birth took place) AND the birth took place outside the US. Inside the US there is no need, all persons born in the US are US citizens, although not necessarily natural born ones. Persons' born outside the US, unless at least one parent is serving the country, as in the military or diplomatic corps, may be citizens if they meet the criteria of the law at that time. Those born in the US without two citizen parents, except for those of a single mother with no acknowledged father, are not natural born US citizens.

98 posted on 12/12/2009 10:52:39 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Electric Graffiti
Ogabe was born at the Kapi-’olani Medical Center for Women & Children within hours of the Nordyke twins.

The funny thing is, his "on line" CoLB shows a file number higher than those of the Nordyke twins, despite supposedly having been filed several days earlier than theirs. He was supposedly born after 7 PM on a Friday, they were born just after 2 PM the next day, Saturday. So, it's hard to see how his file number could be higher than theirs.

99 posted on 12/12/2009 10:56:04 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Electric Graffiti

yeah...why don’t you silly people stop asking questions and just go away...is what it sounds like.


100 posted on 12/12/2009 11:05:20 PM PST by Fred Nerks
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