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Howard Dean: “Kill The Senate Bill”
Plumline ^ | 12/15/09

Posted on 12/15/2009 12:27:51 PM PST by LdSentinal

In a blow to the bill grinding through the Senate, Howard Dean bluntly called for the bill to be killed in a pre-recorded interview set to air later this afternoon, denouncing it as “the collapse of health care reform in the United States Senate,” the reporter who conducted the interview tells me.

Dean said the removal of the Medicare buy-in made the bill not worth supporting, and urged Dem leaders to start over with the process of reconciliation in the interview, which is set to air at 5:50 PM today on Vermont Public Radio, political reporter Bob Kinzel confirms to me.

The gauntlet from Dean — whose voice on health care is well respsected among liberals — will energize those on the left who are mobilizing against the bill, and make it tougher for liberals to embrace the emerging proposal. In an excerpt Kinzel gave me, Dean says:

“This is essentially the collapse of health care reform in the United States Senate. Honestly the best thing to do right now is kill the Senate bill, go back to the House, start the reconciliation process, where you only need 51 votes and it would be a much simpler bill.”

Kinzel added that Dean essentially said that if Democratic leaders cave into Joe Lieberman right now they’ll be left with a bill that’s not worth supporting.

Dean had previously endorsed the Medicare buy-in compromise without a public option, saying that the key question should be whether the bill contains enough “real reform” to be worthy of progressives’ support. Dean has apparently concluded that the “real reform” has been removed at Lieberman’s behest — which won’t make it easier for liberals to swallow the emerging compromise.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: dean; healthcare; howard; howarddean; joelieberman; killthebill; lieberman; medicare; medicare55; obamacare; publicoption; singlepayer; sucks
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

What about Nelson? With Snowe out, he’s the 60th and unless they put the Stupak language back in, he won’t go along...will he?


41 posted on 12/15/2009 1:06:01 PM PST by Birdstrike
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To: LdSentinal

Maybe he is the inside man we need to expose the impostor in the WH.


42 posted on 12/15/2009 1:08:01 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: F15Eagle
It would have to be pretty bad piece of legislation for Howard Dean to go against Obama.

Dean is opposed to the recent changes because it liberal or socialist enough. That is what he's complaining about.

43 posted on 12/15/2009 1:10:09 PM PST by voicereason (I Don't Need SEX...I Get Screwed By Democrats Everyday!!!)
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To: Mariner

Along with at least two RINOs.....


44 posted on 12/15/2009 1:14:14 PM PST by b4its2late (Before you can control a horse, you have to break it. Sound familiar?)
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To: LdSentinal

Here is what Dean is doing, from a political perspective.

He knows that the Reid bill is a huge step forward toward a single payer system and complete nationalization of health care.

The Reid bill essentially transforms health insurance providers into instrumentalities of the government.

Dean knows that the government intrusion into and control over the market will mean that after regulation takes effect the essential business model of private companies providing health insurance on a for-profit basis will become unfeasible.

Dean knows the Rats now have the 60 votes in the Senate, and that Pelosi will get behind Obama and Reid on this.

So Dean is positioning himself for his OWN political future. He knows he can safely do this now that the Rats appear to be able to pass a bill.

Dean’s base is in the far left. He will now sit on the sidelines and wait for the inevitable “failure,” because of this government control, of the “private market” to provide “affordable” insurance for “working families.”

Dean will become champion of the single-payer solution that will “solve” the problem of the “failure” of private insurance companies caused by the Obama-Reid-Pelosi bill.

He is now simply positioning himself for that role.


45 posted on 12/15/2009 1:17:01 PM PST by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

I think you’re giving him too much credit. He’s just not that smart.


46 posted on 12/15/2009 1:18:37 PM PST by Birdstrike
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To: Birdstrike

I expect to see them put the Stupak language or something similar in the Senate bill. The language already passed the House. If it got by the Rats in the House, it will get by the Rats in the Senate.


47 posted on 12/15/2009 1:20:51 PM PST by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: LdSentinal

THUD


48 posted on 12/15/2009 1:21:25 PM PST by pillut48 ("Stand now. Stand together. Stand for what is right."-Gov.Sarah Palin, "Going Rogue")
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To: Dansong

Keep reading - he wants to go through the reconciliation process with the House bill (which is just as bad if not worse than the seante bill) which only requires a simple majority - another words 51 votes - he is not our friend


49 posted on 12/15/2009 1:21:25 PM PST by jacjmm
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To: Vroomfondel; maica
Perhaps I'm just dense, but I thought the Senate would need to pass something before they could start the reconciliation process. If they don't, there's nothing to reconcile.

That is exactly what I thought. It is outrageous that we Americans who are trying to be informed don't even know exactly how and when the reconciliation process works. Congress is so full of unpatriotic (I gag when I hear them called public "servants") power-hungry egotists that they probably keep it vague so they can do whateveer they want. Who needs a stinkin' constitution? /s

50 posted on 12/15/2009 1:23:31 PM PST by Freee-dame
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To: LdSentinal
I've been saying this for some time: They (the WH and Dim leadership) are in a no win situation. One the one hand, they can only pass it by making it so weak they will lose their base. On the other hand, If they don't pass it...they lose their base because they failed to accomplish anything. Then on the other side is the rest of America who doesn't want it....but If BHO has a FAILED campaign promise...he will get pummeled with that even though people don't want it.

Its a no win situation for them...and its beautiful to watch.

51 posted on 12/15/2009 1:25:11 PM PST by NELSON111
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To: LdSentinal
Howard Dean: “Kill The Senate Bill”

In a blow to the bill grinding through the Senate, Howard Dean bluntly called for the bill to be killed in a pre-recorded interview set to air later this afternoon, denouncing it as “the collapse of health care reform in the United States Senate,” the reporter who conducted the interview tells me.

Dean said the removal of the Medicare buy-in made the bill not worth supporting

The radical socialist left is raising a ruckus....but Reid & especially the commie pig 0bozo will do ANYTHING necessary (bribes, threats, warnings, breaking legs, etc) to get this monstrosity passed. The demoRATs know full well that all they have to do is to some version of anything passed, and let subsequent amendments take care of the full socialist gubmint takeover afterwards, including the public option & removing any ban on abortion.

52 posted on 12/15/2009 1:27:40 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: LdSentinal

Even if Dean doesn’t want to kill it, the Daily Kooks do and are exploding. A sample post that will do your heart good:
“Right now there is discussion that Obama is talking about a budget deficit commission where reductions to SS and Medicare will be on the table! Let’s see, what else can Obama do to decimate the middle class?!! What a disaster he’s turning out to be!”


53 posted on 12/15/2009 1:30:49 PM PST by Lou Budvis (She never bankrupted Alaska nor bowed to royalty.)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
This is just cover for the Rats.

This is a sign the endgame is near, and the Rats are on the verge of 60 votes for the Reid bill.

I think you are dead-on right!!! There will never be 1 or 2 RATs or even a handful of RATs with the courage to stand up to the fascist-commie pig 0bozo!!!

54 posted on 12/15/2009 1:32:04 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: LdSentinal

Howard Dean, lunatic left-winger Democrat gets it. POTUS Obama wants a healthcare bill passed, no matter what is in it. Obama has done nothing but sit on the sidelines as the bill formed and moved through the Senate and the House. Fact is, Obama does not have a clue as to what is in the bill!!! Dean, however, is smart enough to realize that POTUS Obama is a failure as POTUS across the board and...if Dean and other Democrats side with him, Obama will take them down with him as he flushes down the obscurity toilet drain. Howard Dean, nutcase that he is, clearly sees the handwriting on the wall. “Drop Obama like you would drop a bad habit!!!”


55 posted on 12/15/2009 1:32:08 PM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: LdSentinal

Broken clock/twice a day.


56 posted on 12/15/2009 1:33:14 PM PST by BJClinton ("Worse" technically is "change".)
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To: LdSentinal

just like Roland Burris, it’s personal

(if you were a Democrat who got screwed by Obama, wouldn’t you pick this moment above all others to pile on? If I am right Gov. Patterson will be opposing this bill next)


57 posted on 12/15/2009 1:33:35 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: LdSentinal

Howard has the right idea for the wrong reason.


58 posted on 12/15/2009 1:33:51 PM PST by depressed in 06 (Tea parties today, Lexington tomorrow.)
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To: Callahan
The Nutroots are in open revolt.

Nutroots....Nitwits....Numbnuts....DimWits....RATs...DUmmies,etc,

The list of appropriate titles is endless. ROFLMAO!!!

59 posted on 12/15/2009 1:36:53 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: Dansong

“The enemy of my enemy is my friend??”

0bama v. Dean is like the Nazis v. the USSR, (which is a very appropriate analogy come to think of it) just root for political casualties.


60 posted on 12/15/2009 1:37:20 PM PST by Lou Budvis (She never bankrupted Alaska nor bowed to royalty.)
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