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GOP Sen. Collins: Health bill is 'too deeply flawed for me to support it'
Washington Examiner ^ | 12/15/2009 | Byron York

Posted on 12/15/2009 6:04:16 PM PST by SeattleBruce

"I don't see voting for the current bill that is on the floor, even with the improvements that have been made," Collins said. "I'm very leery of the impact of nearly $500 billion in Medicare cuts, particularly the cuts in home health care, which are completely counterproductive to the goal of lowering costs."

Collins explained that she is continuing to work on the bill not because she intends to vote for it but because, "I think something is going to pass, and I would like to make that bill as good as possible, even if ultimately it's not a bill that I can support."

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Well, this will be the RATS bill, if it passes.
1 posted on 12/15/2009 6:04:16 PM PST by SeattleBruce
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To: SeattleBruce

“And, of course, by ‘too deeply flawed for me to support it’, I mean I will support it and vote for it.”


2 posted on 12/15/2009 6:06:30 PM PST by Carl LaFong (Experts say experts should be ignored.)
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To: SeattleBruce

Collins won’t go for it?

It must be a real left wing turkey of a bill.


3 posted on 12/15/2009 6:06:50 PM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: SeattleBruce

“I think something is going to pass”
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Argh...hope she’s wrong!


4 posted on 12/15/2009 6:07:51 PM PST by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773!)
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To: SeattleBruce

...well, that’s good news. What about Snowe?


5 posted on 12/15/2009 6:07:55 PM PST by americanophile (Merry Christmas!)
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To: Tzimisce

No, she’s just playing hard to get. They don’t call her Coy Collins for nothin’ up their in Maine.


6 posted on 12/15/2009 6:08:17 PM PST by Houghton M.
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To: SeattleBruce

She must have figured out that they don’t need her vote to pass...


7 posted on 12/15/2009 6:09:02 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Big government more or less guarantees rule by creeps and misfits.)
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To: SeattleBruce
GOP Sen. Collins: Health bill is 'too deeply flawed for me to support it'

The Dem's haven't lost Snowe.

8 posted on 12/15/2009 6:09:13 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Houghton M.

That would be “up there” in Maine. No insult intended for the fine citizens of Maine. Well, at least for the half who are real Mainers. For the imports from Boston and Manhattan, well, “theirs” might be appropriate.


9 posted on 12/15/2009 6:10:02 PM PST by Houghton M.
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To: Houghton M.

Too ugly to be a Louisianna Purchase whore, so what’s her game? ... Attention whore! In the end, she’ll do as she always does, vote for what Reid tells her to vote for.


10 posted on 12/15/2009 6:10:18 PM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: onyx

Sen. Collins may be getting a clue


11 posted on 12/15/2009 6:12:17 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: SeattleBruce
Dear Twin,

For future reference in any and all legislation:

Your president is too deeply flawed for you to support him.

12 posted on 12/15/2009 6:12:39 PM PST by taraytarah (Our Constitution must be defended and protected from all domestic enemies.)
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To: americanophile

...well, that’s good news. What about Snowe?
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/GOP-Sen-Collins-Health-bill-is-too-deeply-flawed-for-me-to-support-it-79321657.html
“While everyone focuses on Sen. Joseph Lieberman and conflict inside the Democratic party, we’ve heard less about another development in the national health care debate: Republicans seem increasingly confident that the two GOP moderates once thought to be possible votes for the Democratic bill, Maine Sens. Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, will stay in the opposition camp. Today Collins told reporters that the bill under consideration in the Senate is “too deeply flawed for me to support it.”

http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/12/15/howard-dean-kill-the-senate-bill/

“Some more news worth telling: Snowe is rock-solid NO (so no worries) and it is highly, highly unlikely that this is finished by Christmas, leaving the question of whether Senator Reid wants to bring Senators back after Christmas, before New Years. My guess is the whole city would revolt, on both sides of the health care debate.

Everyone is sick of healthcare.”


13 posted on 12/15/2009 6:13:21 PM PST by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773!)
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To: SeattleBruce

Excuse my alphabet, but I don’t trust any of these M-Fers!!!!!


14 posted on 12/15/2009 6:13:41 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: SeattleBruce

If she doesn’t vote for it it’s because she feels the hot breath of the Conservative Revolution breathing down her neck.

But I don’t believe her, not for a second. Her words are a Snowe job.


15 posted on 12/15/2009 6:14:24 PM PST by samtheman
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To: Houghton M.
That would be “up there” in Maine.

At least the voters of Maine could be honest and vote for Democrat's instead of infiltrating a once known as conservative party with insurgents.

16 posted on 12/15/2009 6:14:26 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: SeattleBruce

Thanks. Now on to Ben Nelson.


17 posted on 12/15/2009 6:15:32 PM PST by americanophile (Merry Christmas!)
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To: EGPWS

The Dem’s haven’t lost Snowe.
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They may have - see post 13.


18 posted on 12/15/2009 6:15:48 PM PST by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773!)
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To: SoCalPol

I hate to say this, but I think the Reid and Schumer are about done with all the fooling around and that they’re going to go for the 51 vote nuclear option.


19 posted on 12/15/2009 6:16:07 PM PST by onyx
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To: samtheman

If she doesn’t vote for it it’s because she feels the hot breath of the Conservative Revolution breathing down her neck.
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Good!


20 posted on 12/15/2009 6:18:43 PM PST by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773!)
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To: Houghton M.
They don’t call her Coy Collins for nothin’ up their in Maine.

Is that what they call her? I call her, "the Senator who talks like a 'tard," and people seem to know who I'm referring to. (Although, come to think of it, maybe they thought I was referencing Lautenberg?)

What in the H is up with that, anyway? Is that an accent? A speech impediment? Or just how she talks?

21 posted on 12/15/2009 6:20:22 PM PST by Stultis (Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia; Democrats always opposed waterboarding as torture)
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To: SeattleBruce

Collins is an idiot


22 posted on 12/15/2009 6:21:18 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: SeattleBruce

“No, she’s just playing hard to get. They don’t call her Coy Collins for nothin’ up their in Maine.”

What ever happened to the good people of Maine?


23 posted on 12/15/2009 6:21:19 PM PST by Castigar
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To: beaversmom
Excuse my alphabet, but... Photobucket

j/k...nice FR page, I took a listen to the Midnight Cowboy theme while I went searching for this photo.
24 posted on 12/15/2009 6:21:22 PM PST by Canedawg (Bring lawyers, guns and money.)
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To: onyx

I hate to say this, but I think the Reid and Schumer are about done with all the fooling around and that they’re going to go for the 51 vote nuclear option.
+++++++++++++++++

And watch the country rumble to a ROAR. It will seal their doom for a decade as we extract ourselves from their arrogance...

WE’RE NOT CALLED THE TEA PARTY FOR NOTHING...we revolted against the king before, and while it may not take the form of Bunker Hill this time, we’ll DO IT AGAIN!


25 posted on 12/15/2009 6:21:32 PM PST by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773!)
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To: SeattleBruce
The Dem’s haven’t lost Snowe.

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They may have - see post 13.

Yeah, and this whole debacle was DOA up front as we were told by "conservatives" in the GOP party.

Sorry, I'm just to the point of not taking the B.S. laying down anymore.

26 posted on 12/15/2009 6:21:48 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: YHAOS

Collins is an idiot
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Sure we love to hate RINOS, but if they vote no and one or two RATS vote no, we’ll have a temporary reprieve/victory. Those are big ‘ifs’ I’m aware.


27 posted on 12/15/2009 6:23:33 PM PST by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773!)
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To: Houghton M.

That would be “up there” in Maine.
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Isn’t that “down east” in Maine?


28 posted on 12/15/2009 6:23:37 PM PST by mrreaganaut (Sticks and stones may break my bones, but lawyer jokes are actionable.)
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To: samtheman
Oddly enough, I wouldn't even consider this to be a "conservative revolution" in any way.

Fewer than 40% of Americans even support this stupid bill (and that's assuming they even know the details), so it's a no-brainer for anyone to be opposing it.

29 posted on 12/15/2009 6:24:04 PM PST by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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To: SeattleBruce

FYI — This story was written BEFORE Snowe met with Reid. The other thread is more recent.


30 posted on 12/15/2009 6:25:33 PM PST by malkee (Actually I'm an ex-smoker--more than three years now -- But I think about it every day.)
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To: SeattleBruce

Democrats seem oblivious to the polls which, heretofore, they lived by, so let them die by the same polls now.

I figure they must be counting on amnesty and redistricting to save their sorry butts in 2010.


31 posted on 12/15/2009 6:26:28 PM PST by onyx
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To: SeattleBruce

If Bernie Sanders and a few other far lefties heed the call of the Kos and Howard Dean, the Dems may end up killing their own damned bill.


32 posted on 12/15/2009 6:26:42 PM PST by bigbob
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To: onyx
I hate to say this, but I think the Reid and Schumer are about done with all the fooling around and that they’re going to go for the 51 vote nuclear option.

They'd have to do major, major restructuring of the bill to conform it for the budget reconciliation exception (wouldn't they?). Do they have time to do that? I don't see how.

Anyway, "The Won" won't let him do this now and spoil his SOTU. Maybe next year though.

33 posted on 12/15/2009 6:27:07 PM PST by Stultis (Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia; Democrats always opposed waterboarding as torture)
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To: EGPWS

Yeah, and this whole debacle was DOA up front as we were told by “conservatives” in the GOP party.

Sorry, I’m just to the point of not taking the B.S. laying down anymore.
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Right. I agree with you about that. But we’ve got to take the fight in stages, or we’d go nuts (Alinsky rules.) This stage of the fight has seen them strip the bill down of the favorite liberal candy and just leave in other massive 2,000 pages of a shell of socialist crap.

Are we there yet? Of course not. Are we having an impact...yes. Will it pass, and how, who knows? But we will keep fighting and if it does pass we’ll fight on more, till we gut it more...

The DAY OF RECKONING IS COMING FOR THESE ARROGANT RATS.


34 posted on 12/15/2009 6:27:11 PM PST by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773!)
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To: SeattleBruce

Whatever...the whore of the senate will vote for it..the price just isn’t right ...yet....


35 posted on 12/15/2009 6:27:37 PM PST by AtlasThugged316 (Who is Edmund Ruffin?)
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To: onyx

I’m fast coming to the same conclusion. That will be the opening volley of the Second Revolution, I suspect.


36 posted on 12/15/2009 6:27:53 PM PST by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: onyx

the 51 vote nuclear option

Afraid you are right. They want this cut and dried so it
doesn’t spill over to the 2010 election.
Some do have a memory and hope these people are picked off
in the next election


37 posted on 12/15/2009 6:28:52 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: Canedawg

LOL :) Thanks BTW. I’m listening to music too. Trying to get out of this funk. Wishing I could go live on another planet.


38 posted on 12/15/2009 6:29:05 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom

39 posted on 12/15/2009 6:29:29 PM PST by Candor7 ((The effective weapons Against Fascism are ridicule, derision , and truth (.Member NRA))
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To: malkee

FYI — This story was written BEFORE Snowe met with Reid. The other thread is more recent.
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Snowe or Collins? Which other thread - go ahead and link, if you will...thanks!


40 posted on 12/15/2009 6:29:40 PM PST by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773!)
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To: SeattleBruce

Hey Susan, if you need Olympia’s phone number, just let me know.


41 posted on 12/15/2009 6:30:33 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Sick and tired of reading new information sure to hurt Tiger Woods' wife and kids. ENOUGH AREADY!)
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To: onyx

Am listening to John Batchelor on WABC
he is on 7 evenings a week.
Just had on a person from the Hill going over the vote situation.


42 posted on 12/15/2009 6:32:25 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: SeattleBruce
Until the Republicans in Washington get out in front of every camera that has a red light on it and scream, turn red in the face, call every Democrap an SOB and worse this will go on.

I don't see why there isn't a gathering of all the Repubs on the steps of the capitol building with cameras running and see some kind of public demonstration about what is going on.

They seem quite content to let one or two people go on the talking head shows and say, "Well this just isn't right.", and leave it at that.

I wanna see screaming and shouting, finger pointing, name calling and damning to hell going on.

43 posted on 12/15/2009 6:34:11 PM PST by Flint
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To: Stultis

I have no idea what’s in the bill to be able to answer you about what the reconstruction would entail. Nobody has read it.

It’s looking like The Once won’t be getting his Christmas present, but he has to have his prized legislation before the SOTU lie-fest.

What a mess. I wish they’d recess and go home. They’re ruining Christmas. I’m sure we would all like to relax and have time away from ugly politics that our threatening our very liberty.


44 posted on 12/15/2009 6:35:28 PM PST by onyx
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To: Stultis

I have no idea what’s in the bill to be able to answer you about what the reconstruction would entail. Nobody has read it.

It’s looking like The Once won’t be getting his Christmas present, but he has to have his prized legislation before the SOTU lie-fest.

What a mess. I wish they’d recess and go home. They’re ruining Christmas. I’m sure we would all like to relax and have time away from ugly politics that are threatening our very liberty.


45 posted on 12/15/2009 6:36:07 PM PST by onyx
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To: SeattleBruce
I hate to say this, but I think the Reid and Schumer are about done with all the fooling around and that they’re going to go for the 51 vote nuclear option.

If they were really going to do that, then why drop the public option and the expansion of Medicare provisions? Surely they would have had 51 votes even with those provisions in the bill. If they go nuclear, might as well put those provisions back in.

46 posted on 12/15/2009 6:36:19 PM PST by randita (Chains you can bereave in.)
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To: SeattleBruce

I’m wondering what is the actual time line of the Collins comment? Rush said today on his show that Collins had said in a T.V. interview just before his show went on the air that she would be able to support the bill because of some work that Sen. Joe L. had done. Rush pretty much wrote her down as supporting it at that point, I thought.

Which of the comments did she make last? Is she, or is she not, supporting the bill?


47 posted on 12/15/2009 6:37:23 PM PST by LucyJo
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To: savedbygrace; SoCalPol

Oh yeah - rebellion is brewing and I think we’re ready, right?


48 posted on 12/15/2009 6:37:23 PM PST by onyx
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To: onyx

I’m not really sure I’m ready. Events have way of getting us ready in a hurry, though.


49 posted on 12/15/2009 6:40:21 PM PST by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: SoCalPol

Did the person from The Hill mention Feingold, Sanders and Burris?

They’re playing to their fans at Huffington/Puffington and KOS, both of which want them to vote against the bill because of the concessions Reid made -— dropped public option and expansion of medicare.


50 posted on 12/15/2009 6:40:59 PM PST by onyx
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