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E-mail furor doesn't alter evidence for climate change
Washington Post ^ | December 18, 2009 | Michael E. Mann

Posted on 12/18/2009 9:46:15 AM PST by neverdem

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To: neverdem

Very good IMO research on Global Warming on Conspiracy Theory a TV program. It researches the background of the Global Warming Scam and traces it through to Al Gore and back to the originator Maurice Strong. If you remember Maurice Strong was also behind the Iraq Oil for Food Program. He was the one who stole the food money destined for the Iraqi people. He is convicted and is a criminal and now resides in China. He is subject to arrest in the US and Canada for this crime. Check it out. Conspiracy Theory is on the TruTV channel.

Check out this video at YouTube.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svRUcX9Q9yU

You may want to check some of the Lord Monckton videos as well. He’s been following this fraud for a long time. UN goons shoved him, knocked him down and went unconscious by UN guards two days ago. Excellent speaker sounds a bit pompous but isn’t. He is a member of the House of Lords and was a scientist/advisor who reported to Margaret Thatcher. He breaks down the fraud in great detail. It is a truly a great video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zOXmJ4jd-8

If you like it look at it. If not look away.
I’m tired of comments from the peanut gallery.
No one is suggesting you do anything you don’t want to do. Thanks.


61 posted on 12/18/2009 4:39:16 PM PST by Alex Kida
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To: neverdem

Dr. Mann, I believe that your work, and that of your colleagues at East Anglia, should be taught in schools. Just not in science class.


62 posted on 12/18/2009 4:46:27 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
Dodged another bullet!

Low targets, goals dropped: Copenhagen ends in (epic)failure

Environmental Blackmail: The Obama administration’s EPA ruling is an attempt to force Congress’s hand.

Now the Russians confirm that UK climate scientists manipulated data to exaggerate global warming

The Great (Global Warming) Hoax

Some noteworthy articles about politics, foreign or military affairs, IMHO, FReepmail me if you want on or off my list.

63 posted on 12/18/2009 8:57:42 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: a fool in paradise

“The People will believe what they want to believe.”

I guess Mann, like 0bama, is the change he has been waiting for.

Jaye Davidson would be proud.


64 posted on 12/18/2009 9:24:31 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: neverdem

Is it possible for parents paying for college educations in studying this fraud to pursue a class action suit against universities promulgating this junk science—for abuse of the public welfare and violation of universities’ charters?


65 posted on 12/18/2009 9:31:14 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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Or, with all the PhD work, college tuition wasted and careers that have been and/or will be undone with this intentionally dishonest scheme, a la Enron, to sue Strong, Soros, the Joyce Foundation and/or Gore for fraud and conspiracy to commit fraud?

With the trillions at stake on the side of those complicit in it, and obvious moneymakers in that mix, is there not redress?


66 posted on 12/18/2009 9:44:52 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: neverdem

Mikey is the P. T. Barnum of bullshit......he profits from this scam every day as we see in his own words.


67 posted on 12/18/2009 10:13:06 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos

Mann is a mutt, but he’s a bold mutt. He’s a cornered mutt too. He put himself in that corner. Penn State is investigating him.


68 posted on 12/18/2009 11:33:44 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

Good deal.......never hoped for a person to be unemployed yet polidiots and presstitutes aren’t people IMO.

He needs to be suffering through this tidal wave of BS he helps sustain with the rest of us.

Hope yer well Doc !


69 posted on 12/18/2009 11:44:31 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: neverdem

Michael Mann doubles down. I guess he doesn’t have much choice.


70 posted on 12/19/2009 4:32:44 AM PST by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: norwaypinesavage
The source of the tree ring data died circa 1850. The tree ring data after that time came from trees at a different site. Those trees also grew in a valley whereas the earlier trees (before 1850) grew in an "upland" area.

Of course the temperature information would vary by elevation.

The Russians didn't mix the data but Mann did.

What you have is a picture of Mann with tree rings ~ the implication is that those particular tree rings tell the story ~ which, no doubt, they do ~ but the reality is different than the story.

The reality is he was prepared to PROVE HIS CASE with his tree rings. On the other hand, the tree rings didn't all come from the same place, nor did they cover the same periods of time, nor were they representative of the same sampling universe.

It is noteworthy that the local climate along the Lena river in Yakutia has been such that about 1850 ALL THE TREES in the highlands were killed and blown into the valleys. In fact, the weather was so bad for the next 159 years in the highlands that trees have not yet been able to re-establish themselves.

The trees in the valley survived the climate. However, I suspect even they show a decline in local temperatures from 1850 to the date of sampling in 1998 ~ which would require Mann to "cheat" once again by cherry picking the older upland samples as well as the newer valley samples.

BTW, subsequent to the earlier work along the Lena the researchers in Russia were able to extend the period of samples back 2000 years.

71 posted on 12/19/2009 5:16:38 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

In the 70’s and 80’s I was a (minor) player in a scientific endeavor that went against the prevailing thought at the time. In this case we were EAGER to provide data, ALL the data, to the skeptics. We welcomed debate with the skeptics, since we knew that we could convince open minded people with the facts that we had. This attitude is totally lacking in the CRU/GISS/Mann community. It is truly Mann made goobal warming.


72 posted on 12/19/2009 6:19:38 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: neverdem

Global warming is the greatest hoax since 1912 Piltdown man. It took 40 years to expose the fraud.


73 posted on 12/19/2009 7:59:02 AM PST by bunkerhill7 (God bless)
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