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Census shows the states we flee
NY Post ^ | December 28, 2009 | Michael Barone

Posted on 12/28/2009 3:48:44 AM PST by Scanian

Every year around Christmastime, the Census Bureau releases its population estimates for each state for the 12 months ending on July 1. The numbers look dry on a sheet of paper (or on an Excel spreadsheet on your computer), but they tell some vivid stories. The more so when they reflect, as the numbers for 2008-09 do, the effects of a sharp downward shift in the nation’s economy.

Given the recession, it’s not a surprise that percentage growth, at 0.86 percent, was the lowest in this decade, just a tad below the rate in 2002-03, and well below the peak years of 2000-01 (which doesn’t include Sept. 11) and 2006-07. Immigration is down sharply, and some indicators suggest that illegal immigrants, in particular, are returning to their countries of origin.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; US: California; US: Illinois; US: Michigan; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bluestates; california; californication; californicators; census; censusbureau; immigration; migration; population; recession; texas

1 posted on 12/28/2009 3:48:44 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian

What sucks about folks fleeing northern and western states for the midwest and south can be seen in places like here, in Tennessee.

We are seeing a huge bump in population, but the people are coming from up north. They are bringing with them, their liberal voting tendencies and ideas... you know, the very same ideas that destroyed the very states they are fleeing from!
They bring that crap down south and slowly begin to change thing by voting for the liberals, slowly messing places like Tennessee up.


2 posted on 12/28/2009 3:54:18 AM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

“They bring that crap down south and slowly begin to change thing by voting for the liberals, slowly messing places like Tennessee up.”

I was born and raised in Nashville and I’ll never forget the time I was lectured on a hike by a New York City “expert” on how it was bad to kill Copperheads and how they wouldn’t hurt you.

Oh yeah.


3 posted on 12/28/2009 4:01:59 AM PST by dljordan (Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take his office. ")
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To: dljordan

My California brother is like that. I told him if he was so impressed with rattlesnakes, then I would mail all mine to him.

He quit lecturing me. Perhaps he knew I wasn’t joking.


4 posted on 12/28/2009 4:08:09 AM PST by Grammy (Politics. .......( poli ) many ( tics ) blood suckers)
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To: dljordan

Girls do say such things ~ now, was she nice to you later on?


5 posted on 12/28/2009 4:10:37 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

“Girls do say such things ~ now, was she nice to you later on?”

She was a hairy armpit, lesbo, eco-skank.


6 posted on 12/28/2009 4:18:12 AM PST by dljordan (Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take his office. ")
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To: dljordan

Yeah, well, NJ is the first line of defense against the NY’ers, so we get them when they are at their most obnoxious freshness!


7 posted on 12/28/2009 4:22:14 AM PST by j.argese
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To: Scanian
"No. 3 in percentage population growth in 2008-09 was giant Texas, the nation’s second-most-populous state. Its population grew by almost half a million and accounted for 18 percent of the nation’s population growth. Texas had above-average immigrant growth, but domestic in-migration was nearly twice as high.

There may be lessons for public policy here. Texas over the decades has had low taxes (and no state income tax), low public spending and regulations that encourage job growth. It didn’t have much of a housing bubble or a housing price bust.

Under Govs. George W. Bush and Rick Perry, it has placed tight limits on tort lawsuits, and has seen an influx of both corporate headquarters and medical doctors.

Bush’s late job ratings may have been low, and Perry may be a wine that doesn’t travel. But their approach to governing may not be lost even in Washington.

Polidata Inc. projects from the 2009 estimates that the reapportionment following the 2010 Census will give four new House seats to Texas, one to Florida, Arizona, Utah and Nevada, and none to California for the first time since 1850."

AND, KBH plans to improve on this how?!?

8 posted on 12/28/2009 4:27:21 AM PST by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: dljordan

But was she nice?


9 posted on 12/28/2009 4:29:27 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

“What sucks about [SOME] folks fleeing northern and western states for the midwest and south can be seen in places like here, in Tennessee.”

Some, not all. There are plenty of super-Conservative good people up here.

Look at it as if a New Yorker (not me) said...”All those people in TN breed with their sisters, live in broken down trailers, beat their wives and just sit around drinking because they’re too stupid to find a job. They’ve got $2000.00 worth of tattoo’s and drive a $50.00 car.”

Use a narrower brush, please.


10 posted on 12/28/2009 4:34:33 AM PST by panaxanax (It's time for TEA Party Patriots to get an 'ATTITUDE'.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
They bring that crap down south and slowly begin to change thing by voting for the liberals, slowly messing places like Tennessee up.

Were the northerners responsible for electing Al Gore? How about Harold Ford, Sr.? Jr.?

11 posted on 12/28/2009 4:44:24 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos

Harold Ford, Sr. and Jr. come from a very specific demographic.


12 posted on 12/28/2009 4:50:26 AM PST by Roses0508
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Join the club, Tennessee!

We have been fighting that battle here in Florida for years. Former New Yorkers actually dominate Broward and Palm Beach Counties, which are Democrat hotbeds where the old folks are bussed to the polls by organizers and vote the party line.

Eventually, of course, they gripe that things in Fl are getting expensive like back home.

The price of ignorance!


13 posted on 12/28/2009 4:52:38 AM PST by Scanian
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I’ve spent the last 30 years watching exactly the same thing happen in Arizona. This used to be a pretty good place. Now we’re bankrupt and property owners are being held for ransom and saddled with monstrous taxes to fund liberal schemes gone bad.


14 posted on 12/28/2009 4:57:23 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (Crouching Tiger. Hidden fire hydrant.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

“What sucks about folks fleeing northern and western states for the midwest and south can be seen in places like here, in Tennessee.”

That’s the general and common consensus.

Let’s look at it.

Michigan, for example, has lost 600,000 productive citizens since the commie governor granholm was elected in 2002. That means people who work and business owners. People who work and own businesses aren’t welfare bums. They bring conservative values to the new places they move to.

We can look at a couple of indicators to validate that claim. One, Michigan is seeing a huge revenue fall. Two, Michigan is voting more liberal in state elections.

This is caused by conservatives - working people and businesses - leaving Michigan. People not working - welfare bums - and businesses folding up shop means decreased revenue

Anecdotally, it appears that conservatives leaving liberal states will benefit conservative states.

The 2010 election should give us better numbers to verify my theory that people leaving liberal states are mostly conservatives.


15 posted on 12/28/2009 4:58:24 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

>>They are bringing with them, their liberal voting tendencies and ideas... you know, the very same ideas that destroyed the very states they are fleeing from!<<

Sort of like locusts.


16 posted on 12/28/2009 4:59:01 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Go now. Run along and tell your Xerxes that he faces Free Men here...not slaves.")
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To: Scanian

Maryland is doing a trade-in policy currently ,,, the state imposed a millionaire tax recently and hordes of wealthy Marylanders fled but they were replaced immediately by the 300thousand illegals aliens already here since Maryland is a communist sanctuary state and so they figure there’s no loss .


17 posted on 12/28/2009 5:02:37 AM PST by lionheart 247365 (-:{ GLEN BECK is 0bama's TRANSPARENCY CZAR }:-)
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To: lionheart 247365
"Maryland is a communist sanctuary state"

And Montgomery County is its intellectual capital.

18 posted on 12/28/2009 5:12:21 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
Sort of like locusts

Include New Hampshire. :(

I note that Florida is losing population! Too many NY'ers AND too many languages?

==8-O

19 posted on 12/28/2009 5:18:08 AM PST by Does so (ObamaCare...I pay for medical-marijuana claims by millions of Americans?)
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To: harpu
“And, KBH plans to improve on this how?!”

IMHO... by losing in the gubernatorial primary and retiring from the Senate.

20 posted on 12/28/2009 5:26:08 AM PST by Common Sense 101
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To: NaughtiusMaximus
Now we’re bankrupt and property owners are being held for ransom and saddled with monstrous taxes to fund liberal schemes gone bad.

Yep, between that and drowning in illegals. Those property taxes are 80% for schools, and the schools are 80% illegals. The one down the street from me is almost all foreign language.

21 posted on 12/28/2009 5:28:47 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: Scanian
Red States are gaining seats - Blue States are losing. That's why shamnesty is so high on the agenda.

Polidata Inc. projects from the 2009 estimates that the reapportionment following the 2010 Census will give four new House seats to Texas, one to Florida, Arizona, Utah and Nevada, and none to California for the first time since 1850.

Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Illinois are projected to lose one each, and Ohio two. Americans have been moving, even in recession, away from Democratic strongholds and toward GOP turf.

22 posted on 12/28/2009 5:40:42 AM PST by randita (Chains you can bereave in.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

The same kinds of people from the east and extreme west continue to flood into the Northwest in greater numbers (Utah, Wyoming, Colorado,...). They’ve already made messes of municipal-like regulations in counties (counties calling ordinances “laws” now) and have started sucking large amounts of funding from the federal government into places in the middle of nowhere on the Range (e.g., tens of millions for feminist social programs and public schools in counties with 7 or less people per square mile).

Property taxes are multiplying. Some law enforcement interests are mulling plans to lobby for outlawing discharges of firearms by ranchers. Lawsuits by HOAs (accounting for nearly all properties) to take properties and evict residents for architectural, visual and other petty disagreements are common and will sometimes erupt to the extent of nearly emptying developments of homeowners. That’s being done in developments where neighbors can’t even see one another.

Real estate developers continue to advertise vacant lots for over 10 times local market prices, even as they face foreclosures. Enormous “impact fees” must be paid to some local fire departments (sources of embezzlement scandals involving outrageous amounts of money) before building permits are allowed (international codes, strategic master plans, radical environmentalism,...). Water myths and uranium hazard myths are used to devalue properties and drive homeowners away with nothing.

...could go on, but that probably presents enough of the conditions brought by folks from the east (including the Midwest) and from the west coast.


23 posted on 12/28/2009 5:42:32 AM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

I can almost throw a stone into Tennessee and my family spends a lot of money shopping there, in spite of their super high sales tax. Having grown up in the mid South practically on the stateline with Tennessee and in another bordering state, I have always loved the “three states of Tennessee.” We left the mid Atlantic after almost fifty years and returned to this region. Where we lived all those years was very conservative until the last couple of decades, and like much of America, that changed.

It is very nice to be a neighbor to Tennessee and certainly nice to be living in one of the most conservative states in the nation. Mississippi anyone?


24 posted on 12/28/2009 5:44:54 AM PST by billhilly
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To: Scanian

This is the beauty of a republic. If you’re sick of your commie state, you can pick up and move to one that doesn’t clean out your wallet (as quickly).

The sun is setting on CA and rising on TX. It must gall Democrats to no end.


25 posted on 12/28/2009 5:46:00 AM PST by randita (Chains you can bereave in.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
What sucks about folks fleeing northern and western states for the midwest and south can be seen in places like here, in Tennessee.

If I were to ever leave the Gay State it would be partially because of the filthy politicians we elect...as well as taxation....climate...etc.East Tennessee would be my first choice as a destination and I *promise* that if I ever settle there I will *never* vote for a single RAT.Not for dog catcher...not for mayor....not for Senator....not for President.

26 posted on 12/28/2009 5:51:45 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus
I’ve spent the last 30 years watching exactly the same thing happen in Arizona. This used to be a pretty good place. Now we’re bankrupt and property owners are being held for ransom and saddled with monstrous taxes to fund liberal schemes gone bad.

Draft Sheriff Joe for governor.

28 posted on 12/28/2009 6:46:47 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

How do you explain Al Gore?


29 posted on 12/28/2009 7:03:31 AM PST by Paratrooper
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Would y'all mind if a displaced Georgia boy moved down there from CT? I am a FReeper, after all... :)
30 posted on 12/28/2009 7:29:40 AM PST by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: Paratrooper

How do you explain Al Gore?


LOL..........

Native scalawags good....

Foreign scalawags bad.....


31 posted on 12/28/2009 7:35:09 AM PST by deport (65 DAYS UNTIL THE TEXAS PRIMARY....... MARCH 2, 2010)
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To: Scanian

Ping


32 posted on 12/28/2009 9:22:20 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: Scanian

bump


33 posted on 12/28/2009 9:45:56 AM PST by VOA
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To: Scanian

Seeing how so many Californicators are fleeing to Texas, someone should
do a mass issue of articles from The Los Angeles Times during the
2000 election season.

They made out Texas to be the an-s of the planet.

The vast minority of Texans, if they read those articles...
would give the proper invitations to the invading Californicators.

“Nice of you to visit. Now get the hell back to the bankrupt state
you made with your INSANE liberal voting!!!”

OR

“Your fellow Californicators screwed up a nice place like Colorado.
We Texans won’t be so nice to you.”


34 posted on 12/28/2009 9:50:25 AM PST by VOA
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
When it comes to transplants, I can say the same thing about Alabama sending socialists to Detroit back in the 30's, 40's, and 50's. One of them was Coleman Young, the former mayor.

Some of us up here don't like that crap, whether it be from transplants like Coleman Young and Jennifer Granholm, or natives like John Conyers.

35 posted on 12/28/2009 3:29:17 PM PST by Darren McCarty (We do what we have to do.)
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To: Common Sense 101
"IMHO... by losing in the gubernatorial primary and retiring from the Senate.

KBH killed my fence. I will not forgive her for that. With the drug wars along the border, that fence is more critical than ever.

No less a traitor than the Democrats in Congress.

36 posted on 12/28/2009 3:35:02 PM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: dljordan

I kill Copperheads in my backyard here in Texas. Should I box’em up and send’em to NY?


37 posted on 01/03/2010 7:46:50 AM PST by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: VOA

I’ve wanted to retire in the Hill Country of Texas but it seems unlikely now. Californians sold their over-priced homes in CA and shot up the prices in the Hill Country by buying them for more than what they were really worth.

Here’s hoping that rural Austin and rural San Antonio (and every other rural TX area) doesn’t become suburban L.A.


38 posted on 01/03/2010 7:56:10 AM PST by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: randita

Seems like the new Lone Star stae citizens I run into most are from:

Michigan
Ohio
Pennsylvania
Illinois
California

And, after Katrina, Louisiana, but not so much now.

They tend to complain that thinks here aren’t as (cough, cough) “civilized” as they were where they came from.

They can always go back, if they want to, and take a few illegals while they’re at it.


39 posted on 01/03/2010 8:05:00 AM PST by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
"What sucks about folks fleeing northern and western states for the midwest and south can be seen in places like here, in Tennessee."

We're having an influx of Germans here in Alabama. One thing of note...many have Chinese wives.

I saw an article the other day where the Germans were complaining that the good jobs are moving to the USA.

Their labor costs are too high.

40 posted on 01/03/2010 8:12:10 AM PST by blam
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To: Paratrooper

When Gore was first elected he was pretty conservative on most issues, as had been his father before him. They both certainly RAN as conservatives.

In time he became the Al Gore we all know and love today. TN got rid of THAT AL Gore. AND, if you recall back to ‘00, if Gore had carried TN, FL wouldn’t have mattered.


41 posted on 01/03/2010 8:30:58 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: GrouchoTex

“I kill Copperheads in my backyard here in Texas. Should I box’em up and send’em to NY?”

They might fix that Rat problem on NYC.


42 posted on 01/03/2010 8:33:44 AM PST by dljordan (Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take his office. ")
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To: Scanian

btt


43 posted on 01/03/2010 6:20:15 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Paratrooper
How do you explain Al Gore?

I think a psychologist would have trouble explaining Al Gore.

44 posted on 01/03/2010 6:41:25 PM PST by meyer (Government health care = national strike.)
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