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Vatican Reveals Secret Archives
Telegraph(UK) ^ | January 02nd 2010 | Nick Squires

Posted on 01/02/2010 9:42:37 AM PST by Steelfish

Vatican Reveals Secret Archives

A 13th-century letter from Genghis Khan’s grandson demanding homage from the pope is among a collection of documents from the Vatican’s Secret Archives that has been published for the first time.

By Nick Squires in Rome 01 Jan 2010

In a letter dated 1246 from Grand Khan Guyuk, pictured, to Pope Innocent IV, Genghis Khan's grandson demands that the Pontiff travel to central Asia in person

The Holy See’s archives contain scrolls, parchments and leather-bound volumes with correspondence dating back more than 1,000 years. High-quality reproductions of 105 documents, 19 of which have never been seen before in public, have now been published in a book. The Vatican Secret Archives features a papal letter to Hitler, an entreaty to Rome written on birch bark by a tribe of North American Indians, and a plea from Mary Queen of Scots.

The book documents the Roman Catholic Church’s often hostile dealings with the world of science and the arts, including documents from the heresy trial against Galileo and correspondence exchanged with Erasmus, Voltaire and Mozart. It also reveals the Church’s relations with princes and potentates in countries far beyond its dominion.

In a letter dated 1246 from Grand Khan Guyuk to Pope Innocent IV, Genghis Khan’s grandson demands that the pontiff travel to central Asia in person – with all of his “kings” in tow – to “pay service and homage to us” as an act of “submission”, threatening that otherwise “you shall be our enemy”.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
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1 posted on 01/02/2010 9:42:42 AM PST by Steelfish
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To: SunkenCiv; blam; muawiyah; decimon; sonofstrangelove; Quix

*ping*


2 posted on 01/02/2010 9:44:21 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: Steelfish

Ya have to hand it to Pope Innocent—at least HE knew who the evil guys are. Our poser is just one of them.


3 posted on 01/02/2010 9:45:38 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Steelfish

Just read a history of the Mongols and this played an important part of that story.

Rather common occurrence throughout history. I remember reading of a King in central Africa who wanted Queen Victoria to come and bow to him.


4 posted on 01/02/2010 9:48:45 AM PST by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: Steelfish

Homage or tribute?


5 posted on 01/02/2010 9:48:56 AM PST by SonOfDarkSkies (Al Qaeda only hijacked commercial aircraft...Obama hijacked the White House!)
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To: Steelfish
And the Pope replied,

"Don't make me go Conan on you!"

6 posted on 01/02/2010 9:49:16 AM PST by bondserv (God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. †)
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To: Steelfish; Petronski; MarkBsnr; wagglebee

Just watching the clock to see how long it will take to turn this into another Catholic bashing thread......


7 posted on 01/02/2010 9:51:04 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Steelfish

Um...Kublai Khan was not a Muslim. The Mongols were not Muslim!


8 posted on 01/02/2010 9:51:45 AM PST by Tamar1973 (Freedom of the Press?! I need Freedom FROM THE PRESS!)
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To: Steelfish

Wonder if it includes the papal correspondence authorizing the capture and death of the Templars?


9 posted on 01/02/2010 9:54:25 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . What ever I do is what shall be)
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To: Natural Law

If so, they won’t go unanswered.


10 posted on 01/02/2010 9:55:40 AM PST by Steelfish
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To: Natural Law

If so, they won’t go unanswered.


11 posted on 01/02/2010 9:55:43 AM PST by Steelfish
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To: All
Look here for a discussion of the meaning of the word "secret" as it pertains to the Vatican archives:

Vatican reveals Secret Archives (including letter from Genghis Khan's grandson)

12 posted on 01/02/2010 9:56:56 AM PST by BlessedBeGod (New Wizard of Oz: Pelosi as the Wicked Witch of the West & Michelle as the Wicked Witch of the East.)
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To: Steelfish
from the article: In 1863 Jefferson Davis, the president of the Confederate States, wrote to Pope Pius IX claiming that the civil war raging across America was entirely due to “Northern aggression”.

The article fails to mention the Vatican donated a million dollars to the Confederates.

13 posted on 01/02/2010 9:59:42 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: Tamar1973

Your point is generally accurate. However, their history is deeply intertwined with the Moslems

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Mongolia


14 posted on 01/02/2010 10:02:22 AM PST by Steelfish
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To: Natural Law

You got that right! 1...2...3...


15 posted on 01/02/2010 10:05:46 AM PST by notaliberal (Palin supporter)
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To: bert
The crystal ball says: Not likely.
16 posted on 01/02/2010 10:11:00 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: Natural Law

5-4-3-2-......


17 posted on 01/02/2010 10:14:25 AM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Tamar1973; Steelfish; freeangel
"Um...Kublai Khan was not a Muslim. The Mongols were not Muslim!"

Quite true, Tamar. Not at that time, anyhow.

The turning point seems to be around 1294, when Ghazan became the first Muslim Mongol heritage to rule the Il-Khanate, and all rulers of Persia since him have been Muslim. Ghazan was Sunni, but tolerant of Shi'ites. But not of Buddhists or Christians: Ghazan destroyed and looted Christian churches, and converted all Buddhist temples to mosques. Ghazan replaced traditional Mongol law with the Sharia (Islamic code of law), and adopted Islamic military codes for the Mongol army. At Ghazan's death in 1304, virtually all Mongol elements in the Il-Khanate had been absorbed into Islamic culture.

18 posted on 01/02/2010 10:36:01 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Mammalia Primatia Hominidae Homo sapiens. Still working on the "sapiens" part.)
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To: Tamar1973
Um.. MuslimOF Mongol heritage.
19 posted on 01/02/2010 10:37:57 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Qwerty, ergo typo.)
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To: Steelfish
Khan's grandson wanted the Pope to come to Asia. It says nothing about "Muslims." My recollection is that Islam would have been 200 years old, or less-- still in its formative years.

This is a very interesting article. I just don't understand the exclamation mark in your title. Even if your addition to the title were accurate, so what? It's 750 years ago, +/-.

20 posted on 01/02/2010 10:40:54 AM PST by Clara Lou
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