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Is the Secret Service Targeting the Birthers?
mother jones ^ | Thu Jan. 7, 2010 3:05 AM PST | By Stephanie Mencimer

Posted on 01/07/2010 5:49:05 AM PST by Sophia777

http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/01/secret-service-targeting-birthers

Over the past year, Secret Service agents charged with protecting President Obama seem to have taken a keen interest in the Birther movement, the committed group of anti-Obama activists around the country who claim the president was born in Kenya, not Hawaii, and is thus ineligible to serve. The idea has been widely and repeatedly debunked (see FactCheck.org's thorough takedown here), but that hasn't stopped Birthers from doggedly making their case in American courtrooms, to US attorneys, and even to a rural county grand jury, in the hopes that a judge will rule in their favor and Obama might eventually be removed from office. Those efforts have failed spectacularly, but they seem to have succeeded in placing the Birthers on the radar of the Secret Service.

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KEYWORDS: americangrandjury; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; domesticterrorists; secretservice; targetingbirthers; usurper
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At least a half-dozen prominent anti-Obama activists who've petitioned various federal agencies or courts to investigate the president's citizenship or publicly questioned his eligibility to serve say they've been visited by Secret Service or Homeland Security agents. Of particular concern to the Secret Service, it seems, are the individuals who are trying to interest federal prosecutors in bringing criminal charges against the president for fraud and treason, a movement spearheaded by a retired Navy lieutenant commander, Walter Fitzpatrick III.
1 posted on 01/07/2010 5:49:10 AM PST by Sophia777
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To: Sophia777

wow


2 posted on 01/07/2010 5:51:26 AM PST by Perdogg ("Is that a bomb in your pants, or are you excited to come to America?")
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To: Sophia777
Those efforts have failed spectacularly

Um, how can they fail spectacularly when cases are dismissed due to standing? Apparently Americans have no standing to challenge a President based on the Constitution. Who knew?

3 posted on 01/07/2010 5:52:59 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Sophia777
The idea has been widely and repeatedly debunked

Oh? Did they prove a negative? Did they prove that Obama was not born outside the US?

All I can say is that until I see the long-form birth certificate I do not feel that they have proven a positive -- that Obama was born in Hawaii. I want to see the proof. Why is that so difficult?

4 posted on 01/07/2010 5:53:11 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (We have the 1st so that we can call on people to rebel. We have 2nd so that they can.)
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To: LucyT

Ping


5 posted on 01/07/2010 5:53:58 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Sophia777
Over the past year, Secret Service agents charged with protecting President Obama seem to have taken a keen interest in the Birther movement, the committed group of anti-Obama activists around the country who claim the president was born in Kenya, not Hawaii, and is thus ineligible to serve. The idea has been widely and repeatedly debunked (see FactCheck.org's thorough takedown here)

Always throw out a false premise. The Birther movement just wants to see actual proof of Obama's birth and verify he meets the Constitutional requirements. Nothing has been debunked since it is a fact, Obama has not released his Birth Certificate.

6 posted on 01/07/2010 5:55:26 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Sophia777

well, at least they’re not tracking muslims identified in FRIENDLY NATION data bases as terrorists

sarc

I wonder, have birthers threatened suicide bombings and WMD attacks against the American people? And wouldn’t it be great if al Qaeda’s demands could be met by obama producing a $10 document!


7 posted on 01/07/2010 5:56:09 AM PST by silverleaf
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To: DJ MacWoW

Interestingly, they target the birthers and give terrorist a pass, who would have thought?

Also I have to add, Obama must be terrified of this issue,
or,

One, he would show the BC and,
Two, he wouldn’t be sending out the CIA to intimidate people.


8 posted on 01/07/2010 5:58:56 AM PST by Sophia777
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To: silverleaf

The thing that amazes me is the millions of dollars he has spent trying not to produce that $10 document.


9 posted on 01/07/2010 5:59:33 AM PST by Melinda in TN
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To: DJ MacWoW

Amazing, isn’t it? Don’t question ANYTHING about *the won*. Free speech??? Yeah, right.


10 posted on 01/07/2010 6:00:02 AM PST by azishot
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To: Sophia777

‘Birth-certificaters’ is more accurate. That movement hasnt moved on yet?

News Flash : “Obama was sworn in almost a year ago”


11 posted on 01/07/2010 6:00:26 AM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is spending you demand stupid")
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To: Sophia777

When was this debunked? If they have, that is great news, now we can actually focus on just his ineptness. Has President Obama unsealed his records to the public? If so, where is the link and which Supreme Court Judge reviewed the originals?


12 posted on 01/07/2010 6:00:41 AM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: Sophia777
"The idea has been widely and repeatedly debunked "

Really??

When did that happen?

13 posted on 01/07/2010 6:02:31 AM PST by evad (BHO is a Clear and Present Danger to This Nation's Security)
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To: Sophia777

I’m sure he is. And with his ego, he’s probably angry that ANYONE would DARE....


14 posted on 01/07/2010 6:03:09 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: castlegreyskull
now we can actually focus on just his ineptness

Please don't wait too long.

15 posted on 01/07/2010 6:03:23 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Sophia777
"The movement's "queen bee," Orly Taitz, reportedly recruited many of them at the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot and military gun show, a semi-annual Kentucky event that's a hotbed of right-wing and racist radicalism."

I especially like this comment!

16 posted on 01/07/2010 6:03:23 AM PST by mark3681
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To: azishot

The left gets so hysterical! If we did HALF of what they put Bush through,or Palin, their heads would explode.


17 posted on 01/07/2010 6:04:39 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Melinda in TN
“The thing that amazes me is the millions of dollars he has spent trying not to produce that $10 document.”

I try to be nice and think why he would fight this. If it was a conservative president; and there were any questions at all; I would adamant that president/candidate also produce what is needed.

Those millions he has spent, could have been used to feed hungry people.

18 posted on 01/07/2010 6:05:00 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (The End of an Error - 01/20/2013)
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To: Sophia777
Big Brotha...who will propose the Bill in Congress for funding birther reeducation camps...this is a crises...
19 posted on 01/07/2010 6:05:11 AM PST by PoloSec (Note to Princess B H Obama: May PISS be Upon Mohammads Head...You Pervert)
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To: Sophia777
I know the feds are monitoring this sight, and not just for the BC.
I got tagged last night.
I tried to post a reply to someone and a message popped up that my sat signal was out because of weather. When my signal is out because of weather I can't get on line. Everything was working fine I just couldn't post a reply. The message that popped up was also different than what usually pops up.
20 posted on 01/07/2010 6:05:17 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Sophia777
So, the Kenyan Clown is using the Secret Service to intimidate people who dare ask "Where's your paperwork showing that you are a natural born citizen eligible to serve in the Oval Office?"

I hope that we can vote a better Congress in, because this misuse of the Secret Service is a rank abuse of power.

21 posted on 01/07/2010 6:05:56 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: evad
“It's settled science.”
22 posted on 01/07/2010 6:06:03 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (usff.com)
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To: Melinda in TN
"The thing that amazes me is the millions of dollars he has spent trying not to produce that $10 document."

In all fairness to Obama, I seem to recall that the cost of the certified document is actually $12. ;-)

24 posted on 01/07/2010 6:08:22 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: ClearCase_guy

You have it right. Factcheck and others coverup groups put up a strawman. Then they knock down the strawman.

The real fact is that most of us don’t know where Obama was born. The few who do know are either not talking ... or talking and we don’t know whether to believe them or not.

Obama’s birthplace is just one example of how little we really do know. Our culture is filled with assumed facts that are not facts at all. They are just assumptions.


25 posted on 01/07/2010 6:08:23 AM PST by spintreebob
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To: Sophia777

( ping for later)

I think I hear a knock at the door.


26 posted on 01/07/2010 6:11:52 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: Sophia777

I thought the Secret Service was charged only with handling physical threats to the President. Unless a “birther” made such a threat it seems the SS has no grounds for jurisdiction.


27 posted on 01/07/2010 6:14:42 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: IMR 4350

Funny, I’ve been getting “can’t locate the server” pop-ups as well. Especially when I’m on FR. Wonder what’s up?


28 posted on 01/07/2010 6:15:50 AM PST by junkman_106 (USN, Ret.and Mad as Hell. I've got the skills, come get my weapons!)
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To: Sophia777
I don't know where obama was born. There are only a few people who actually know and the rest of us are merely speculating. But, I can't help noticing the effort made to create "Barak Obama", fast track him, someone with little life success or experience, through the system and now to protect what is truly known about that fictional character.

Why would anyone go to such lengths to hide their birth certificate or their school records, especially a narcissist like obama? In the olden days, way back when Nixon was President, investigative reporters would have been curious. Today they go after people asking questions and speculating about possible answers.

29 posted on 01/07/2010 6:16:59 AM PST by GBA
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To: Sophia777
Other than the fact that Zero has spent over a million on legal fees rather than just producing this birth certificate and shutting everyone down, a couple of things have always bothered me about this issue:

1. If it is a constitution REQUIREMENT for a President to be born in the U.S., then how exactly does Zero get by without demonstrating his fulfills it. Holy crap, I have to take a copy of my son's birth certificate to prove his age for each football season, so I don't see why this should be any more unreasonable.

2. I'm no constitutional lawyer, but if this is a government “by the people”, then why don't the people have standing in a case asking that its President demonstrate that he has met the requirement to hold that position?

30 posted on 01/07/2010 6:17:32 AM PST by Common Sense 101
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To: Sophia777
...activists around the country who claim the president was born in Kenya, not Hawaii, and is thus ineligible to serve...
The "born in Kenya" line is a ruse. Nobody knows, except through his own admissions, where the man was born. That's the whole problem and why a full certificate is being sought!
31 posted on 01/07/2010 6:18:58 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Sophia777

The job of the Secret Service is to protect the President from real threats, not to serve as a political police force for any existing administration.

It would seem that this agency merits a total re-organization, but not under the aegis of this FRAUDULENT President, who VERY WELL MAY HAVE BEEN BORN IN ANOTHER COUNTRY.

The Secret Service should report directly to the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, not any sitting President.


32 posted on 01/07/2010 6:19:23 AM PST by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: IMR 4350

So what are you doing to get their attention? No other poster has been flagged in such a manner. And they’d say so if they had. They’d be yelling.


33 posted on 01/07/2010 6:19:49 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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We should file lawsuits against the 365 electors who put Obama in office for “conspiracy to commit election fraud” One of them is bound to crack.


34 posted on 01/07/2010 6:28:22 AM PST by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Unless a “birther” made such a threat it seems the SS has no grounds for jurisdiction.

The government does whatever the heck it wants. Where have you been??

;)

35 posted on 01/07/2010 6:28:32 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (We have the 1st so that we can call on people to rebel. We have 2nd so that they can.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Noob alert.


36 posted on 01/07/2010 6:28:54 AM PST by Eagle Eye (3%)
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To: Eagle Eye

You bet.


37 posted on 01/07/2010 6:32:45 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Sophia777; patriotgal1787; Just A Nobody

This is what the Democrats did under Bill Clinton.


38 posted on 01/07/2010 6:34:53 AM PST by kristinn (A conspiracy of silence speaks louder than words.)
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To: kristinn

Democrats always abuse power.


39 posted on 01/07/2010 6:36:52 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Joe 6-pack
In all fairness to Obama, I seem to recall that the cost of the certified document is actually $12. ;-)

The actual cost to Obama would be ZERO. All he has to do is waive his supposed right to privacy, and authorize Hawaii to sell certified copies to anyone who wants one.

ML/NJ

40 posted on 01/07/2010 6:37:21 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: Sophia777
Nancy Pelosi has broken the law from signing off on BOzo’s eligibility to secret congressional meetings. It is time she is taken away in chains.
41 posted on 01/07/2010 6:38:22 AM PST by jetson
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To: Always Right
The Birther movement just wants to see actual proof of Obama's birth and verify he meets the Constitutional requirements.

Exactly. Not everyone is hastily making the "He's a Kenyan!" accusation.

42 posted on 01/07/2010 6:41:01 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Sophia777
The idea has been widely and repeatedly debunked (see FactCheck.org's thorough takedown here)

LOL!
Factcheck.org is part and parcel of the Annenberg Foundation. Factcheck was also chosen by the Obama campaign as the arbitrar of whether Obama’s birth certificate, which purportedly proves he’s a citizen of the United States, is authentic.

Bill Ayers, a former member of the violent Vietnam War era Weather Underground terrorist group, was a “key founder” of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.

In 1995 Obama was appointed Board Chairman and President of the Annenberg Chicago Challenge, a “branch of the Annenberg Foundation”.

Yeah...I believe everything Factcheck.org has to say. LOL!

43 posted on 01/07/2010 6:41:26 AM PST by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: Sophia777

Oba Ma Jones.

Mother Jones is just another member of the ObamaLove Cadre. I noticed the Kool Aid tanker trucks pulling up to the editorial offices the other day.


44 posted on 01/07/2010 6:44:55 AM PST by bvw
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To: Just A Nobody

The public now knows more about the passport and travels of the crotch bomber than we do about our President.


45 posted on 01/07/2010 6:45:29 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: ClearCase_guy
All I can say is that until I see the long-form birth certificate I do not feel that they have proven a positive -- that Obama was born in Hawaii. I want to see the proof. Why is that so difficult?

That's my take on it too. If obama wants to claim "transparency" in his administration, well, start from the top. obama needs to quit spending millions (literally) to keep his birth certificate, school records, etc. private.

Personally, I give it a 20% chance obama's long-form BC would show his is an illegal President (ie. Kenyan born). I think it is more likely it would be part of a chain of evidence that would show obama is not his real legal name or some other extremely damaging information. Not sure if that would make him an illegal President - being sworn in under a name that was not his legal name, or what.

What I do know, 100% certain, is that where there is smoke, there's almost always fire. There is no valid reason for obama to waste millions hiding something unless it really needs to be hidden. There is something very, very wrong (legally) with obama's Presidency. People in and around his administration (who should know) have made contradictory claims "I've seen his long form BC" ... "obama has his long form BC" ... and " no long form BC exist, they were all destoried..." etc. Someone is lying about this, has to be. (probably more than one) Congress has shown a remarkable lack of interest in this. I'd say Congress is failing their due diligence responsibility.

46 posted on 01/07/2010 6:49:36 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (obama out now! I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom - you can keep the change.)
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To: ZULU
The Secret Service should report directly to the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, not any sitting President.

Not really. It's up to the Executive branch to do such things. Our problem is that the Framers never envisioned court challeges to usurpers. (See Federalist #28 beginning at "If the representatives of the people betray their constituents ...")

ML/NJ

47 posted on 01/07/2010 6:52:29 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: jetson
"Nancy Pelosi has broken the law"

So sue her, prosecute her .... something!

48 posted on 01/07/2010 6:53:33 AM PST by I am Richard Brandon
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To: kristinn
This is what the Democrats did under Bill Clinton.

Ah-ha! Who says they are not working together.

49 posted on 01/07/2010 6:55:01 AM PST by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: sickoflibs
News Flash : “Obama was sworn in almost a year ago”

Proving what? Did that change his place of birth or citizenship?

50 posted on 01/07/2010 7:01:12 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Pork Eating CRUSADER - FUBO! Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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