Skip to comments.Why the Barack Obama Birth Certificate Issue Is Legitimate (Nov. 08)
Posted on 01/07/2010 9:17:33 PM PST by STARWISE
Does this Barack Obama birth certificate issue bug you because, although improbable, it's possible that he's not a natural born citizen, isn't eligible to be President under the Constitution, and this issue could be bigger than Watergate -- or any other "gate" in history?
Are you afraid that if you were even to raise the subject with your friends that they will think you wear a tinfoil hat, because Factcheck.org, the final arbiter of truth in the universe, said so?
Are you with the news media, and after spending so much money to get Barack Obama elected, you'd hate to ruin your investment?
Are you a talk radio host who thinks that if you say the burden of proof needed to demonstrate one is eligible to be Commander in Chief should be at least as high as, oh, say, the level to be eligible for Hawaiian homestead status (see 1.F. below), that you'd be forced to give equal time to someone who disagrees?
Are you a conservative, libertarian, or any conscientious constitutionalist from any ideological side of life, who's convinced something's not right, but you're afraid your reputation might be tarnished because, after all, this could be one big Saul-Alinsky-style set-up, and the joke would be on you?
Fear not! Joe the Farmer has prepared an outline showing that no matter how this issue is ultimately resolved, you have legitimate concerns, and that Barack Obama should, simply out of respect for the nation he was elected to lead, disclose the sealed vault copy of his birth certificate.
Given the circumstances, if Barack Obama respected this nation, he would prove it by the simplest and easiest of gestures - unless, of course, all this talk about change and hope was just a bunch of bull, and he's just "another politician." Here's the outline:
1. Under Hawaiian law, it is possible (both legally and illegally) for a person to have been born out of state, yet have a birth certificate on file in the Department of Health.
A. From Hawaii's official Department of Health, Vital Records webpage: "Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country" (applies to adopted children).
B. A parent may register an in-state birth in lieu of certification by a hospital of birth under HRS 338-5.
C. Hawaiian law expressly provides for registration of out-of-state births under HRS 338-17.8. A foreign birth presumably would have been recorded by the American consular of the country of birth, and presumably that would be reflected on the Hawaiian birth certificate.
D. Hawaiian law, however, expressly acknowledges that its system is subject to error. See, for example, HRS 338-17.
E. Hawaiian law expressly provides for verification in lieu of certified copy of a birth certificate under HRS 338-14.3.
F. Even the Hawaii Department of Home Lands does not accept a certified copy of a birth certificate as conclusive evidence for its homestead program. From its web site: "In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green.
This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."
2. Contrary to what you may have read, no document made available to the public, nor any statement by Hawaiian officials, evidences conclusively that Obama was born in Hawaii.
A. Associated Press reported about a statement of Hawaii Health Department Director Dr. Fukino, "State declares Obama birth certificate genuine."
B. That October 31, 2008 statement says that Dr. Fukino "ha[s] personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."
That statement does not, however, verify that Obama was born in Hawaii, and as explained above, under Hawaiian policies and procedures it is quite possible that Hawaii may have a birth record of a person not born in Hawaii. Unlikely, but possible.
C. The document that the Obama campaign released to the public is a certified copy of Obama's birth record, which is not the best evidence since, even under Hawaiian law, the original vault copy is the better evidence. Presumably, the vault record would show whether his birth was registered by a hospital in Hawaii.
D. Without accusing anyone of any wrongdoing, we nevertheless know that some people have gone to great lengths, even in violation of laws, rules and procedures, to confer the many benefits of United States citizenship on themselves and their children.
Given the structure of the Hawaiian law, the fact that a parent may register a birth, and the limited but inherent potential for human error within the system, it is possible that a parent of a child born out-of-state could have registered that birth to confer the benefits of U.S. citizenship, or simply to avoid bureaucratic hassles at that time or later in the child's life.
1. We don't know whether the standards of registration by the Department of Health were more or less stringent in 1961 (the year of Obama's birth) than they are today. However, especially with post-9/11 scrutiny, we do know that there have been instances of fraudulent registrations of foreign births as American births.
2. From a 2004 Department of Justice news release about multiple New Jersey vital statistics employees engaged in schemes to issue birth certificates to foreign-born individuals: "An individual who paid Anderson and her co-conspirators for the service of creating the false birth records could then go to Office of Vital Statistics to receive a birth certificate . . .
As part of the investigation, federal agents executed a search warrant of the HCOVS on Feb. 18, 2004, which resulted in the seizure of hundreds of suspect Certificates of Live Birth which falsely indicated that the named individuals were born in Jersey City, when in fact, they were born outside the United States and were in the United States illegally . . . Bhutta purchased from Goswamy false birth certificates for himself and his three foreign-born children."
3. Even before 9/11, government officials acknowledged the "ease" of obtaining birth certificates fraudulently. From 1999 testimony by one Social Security Administration official: "Furthermore, the identity data contained in Social Security records are only as reliable as the evidence on which the data are based.
The documents that a card applicant must present to establish age, identity, and citizenship, usually a birth certificate and immigration documents-are relatively easy to alter, counterfeit, or obtain fraudulently."
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If the claim by Obama supporters, the main fringe media , and the birther deniers is true that he was not born in Kenya, why then ? does the government of Kenya have any of his personal records and have sealed them ?
I found it also curious that by BHO own admission has said when he was at Columbia it was “buckle-down” time. I thought you had to be have good grades to get into Columbia or was Occidental that easy. I also find it curious that no one at Columbia remembers him except his thesis advisor (who accidently through it out)
The more I read the more I believe he is a KGB plant.
President Obama is not a baby anymore. I think your trying to defend him. I have a birth certificate, I can show it to anyone that needs to see it within a few hours, I have pictures of my birth. I have witnesses. I also do not have a stack of documents that would prove to the country and the world of who exactly I am sealed in a vault.
I wonder what records Kenya has on me?
Excellent Thought. Hmmmmm
I have two birth certificates. The legal one from the state and the one from the hospital with the footprint. I can get my hands on those in 30 seconds. And I would show them to anyone who wants to see them.
I heard that also. What records of his would be in Kenya?
Well, mine are in my filing cabinet at home. So it would take me a few hours to finish here and get them, but it is certainly a lot less than the 2 years President Obama has been hiding his.
Nobody can hide something or keep a secret forever. I believe that eventually, all of this will be uncovered. It probably wont be in time to do us any good..but, it will come out.
You have focused upon the essence of the issue of Barry Soetoro's ineligibilty. Watch as these stealth servants of the democrfat lie now work to change the issue to anything but the fact that even Leahy and his henchfools confirmed 'parents' of a natural born citizen must be American citizens at the child's birth.
Gibbs refuses to confirm or deny the authenticity of the letter to the hospital, read by Abercrombie at the banquet, and purportedly signed by Obama.
This is a public letter issued for the purpose of soliciting funds for the hospital and signed by the President of the United States.
We deserve the truth on this. If he didn’t sign it, it is FRAUD! This is a criminal act. If Abercrombie composed the letter, he should be charged, tried, and sentenced....AND LOSE HIS PENSION!
President Obama will be his own undoing. He alienates everyone. Not just you and I, that would naturally oppose him. He is alienating the media with broken transparency promises, liberals with his health care bill, our allies, members of his own party, and most of the voters he absolutely depended on in 2008.
I truly believe he will anger the wrong person due to his misguided perception that he is invincible. That is when the dominos will fall, the birth rumors, college rumors, Muslim rumors, homosexual rumors, Blagojevich and etc. That is something I wish I can watch at an IMAX theater, because it will in the next year. He will fall faster and harder than anyone has ever seen in the history of the world.
By last summer, I couldnt stand the sound of this guys voice. I somewhat take his photos. Last night, his speech about nothing, interupted what I was watching on tv. I really didnt want to hear him, but forced myself. I never heard anyone, in my lifetime, give a speech and leave you thinking..what the hell was that about? Nothing new here.
I also feel the way you do. I said many times..oops..he just screwed himself up with another group of people. I saw it happening almost on a daily basis during the summer.
We are watching his administration fall like a house of cards. I cant say if the truth about him will surface this year..it just might, however, all of his dirty laundry will eventually come out. Then people like us, can laugh in the faces of those we have been trying to tell..and they refuse to listen.
The one submitted to Judge Carter by Orly Taitz whose image that lib hackers altered to appear a forgery and is accepted as such to this day.
They definitely do. Google Sun Yat Sen's Hawaiian BC.
Then there's Nancy signing two slightly different worded statements for the candidate's eligibility at the DNC.
I never heard or seen natural-born...A M E R I C A N...Citizen elsewhere!!!
They definitely do. Google Sun Yat Sen's Hawaiian BC."
It's a fact now. The law that allowed it, prior to the well known 1982 statue, has been found and incorporated into one of the eligibility lawsuits:
I'm stubborn in my inquiry. The internet has been steered towards presenting this BC as a total forgery but I still don't buy it.
It's a cross between 1) imagine what would happen if they kicked out the first black president, and 2) too many have staked their reputations on him so they have to keep him afloat to keep themselves afloat. Anyone who knows is too scared to spill the beans. Not only do they have the Chicago Machine looking out for him but the entire administration and supremes as well. Too much money has paid into this house of cards. It won't take much to knock it down and they know it. It's just a matter of time and the lot of them will be behind bars.
Add to your list an accounting of any and all records Faleomavaega accquired in Indonesia for the “national archives” for Hussein.
“According to our Indonesian sources, “officials” who accompanied Faleomavaega were interested in acquiring any and all documentation or photographs of a young Barry Soetoro for America’s “national archives” and they were offering cash, lots of it.”
How ironic that on that half dozen member committee was Hussein and Hillary. Hillary is now quiet as a church mouse and McCain told us all we didn't have anything to fear from Hussein. Those two's actions alone should send up red flags.
HUSSEIN WAS SITTING AT THE SAME TABLE WITH THEM AND AGREED WITH THE DEFINITION!!! /caps off
And then you have this short statement:
We have had race riots before..we got thru them and those riots didnt benefit the country. I think that anyone who is for him or behind him have already ruined their reputations.
If they hopped all over clinton, whose affairs didnt hurt the country, why is nobody doing something about this communist, who is?
Is that the one from the young guy who WND was in contact with..and then Orly ended up with him?
I had mixed feelings about that kid, who wasnt really so trustworthy. On one hand, I didnt buy his story. On the other hand, he was just they type shady person who might end up with the real BC.
After he signs the Health care bill this is going to escalate.
I think almost 50 percent of the public is now convinced he is not “one of us”. They cant put their finger on it, but they know there is a problem. They sense it.
Growing up in Indonesia, hiding all his documents... My 5 year old kid can see there’s a problem.
I don’t doubt that Congress has addressed this, but I don’t think that the SCOTUS has.
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