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Iran's Nuclear Facilities 'Can Be Bombed': US Commander Petraeus
AFP ^ | January 10, 2010

Posted on 01/10/2010 6:51:01 AM PST by Strategy

WASHINGTON DC, United States - A top US military commander responsible for the Middle East and the Gulf region said the United States has developed contingency plans to deal with Iran's nuclear facilities, insisting that they "can be bombed."

"Well, they certainly can be bombed," General David Petraeus, head of US Central Command, told CNN television as he commented on suggestions that Iranian nuclear facilities were heavily fortified.

"The level of effect would vary with who it is that carries it out, what ordnance they have, and what capability they can bring to bear," he added.

The network plans to air the interview later Sunday, but has released some excerpts.

(Excerpt) Read more at abs-cbnnews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airstrikes; iran; iraniannukes; islam; israel; military; nukes; obama
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1 posted on 01/10/2010 6:51:01 AM PST by Strategy
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To: Strategy

Even if they CAN be bombed, they won’t. Not with the Muslim-in-Chief.


2 posted on 01/10/2010 6:52:48 AM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Enjoy nature - eat meat, wear fur and drive your car!)
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To: Strategy
"The level of effect would vary with who it is that carries it out, what ordnance they have, and what capability they can bring to bear," he added.

Gee....who can he be talking about besides us?

3 posted on 01/10/2010 6:55:38 AM PST by edpc (Those Lefties just ain't right)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

Sadly I believe you are correct.


4 posted on 01/10/2010 6:55:59 AM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: Strategy
Good for General Petraeus, that will keep them thinking. Maybe they will spend themselves into a real disaster trying to protect there plants.
5 posted on 01/10/2010 6:56:08 AM PST by WHBates
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To: jhpigott; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; MestaMachine; Oorang; Moe Tzadik; SunkenCiv; SJackson; Yehuda; ...

Barbara Ann *ping*


6 posted on 01/10/2010 7:00:25 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

true, very true.

he has already thrown Israel under the bus;whatever happens to Israel happens to freedom, liberty and democracy here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9XnyxNItuw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY

http://atlah.org/atlahworldwide/?p=3905

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJzU056ccV4&NR=1


7 posted on 01/10/2010 7:02:49 AM PST by himno hero
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To: Strategy

I did a recent plot using open source. I used Google Earth and saved them into a kmz file. Anyone who wanting this - send me an e-mail. For some reason my web page won’t allow me to load it as a link - I guess since it is a kmz file...

bcw.author@gmail.com

Interesting stuff!


8 posted on 01/10/2010 7:05:28 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com)
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To: Strategy

WHEN?


9 posted on 01/10/2010 7:08:18 AM PST by Common Sense 101
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

I’m not sure if the internal issues in Iran could lead to a change in government which would in turn lead to a scrapping of the fuel cycle facilities. Either way Obozo doesn’t seem to have a clue.


10 posted on 01/10/2010 7:09:02 AM PST by meatloaf
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To: Strategy

They will be carpet bombed with reads by the dear reader.


11 posted on 01/10/2010 7:13:32 AM PST by depressed in 06 (Tea parties today, Lexington tomorrow.)
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To: meatloaf
Do you think Obama should adopt the Cheney-Bush-NeoCon strategy on Iran?

Call them Axis of Evil?

Or should he invent some new and catchy slogan?

12 posted on 01/10/2010 7:23:32 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Strategy

It seems to me the leaders of Iran have so much to deal with right now that any additional problems thrown their way would effectively delay their nuclear program. They are like a juggler with five or six things in play at once. You don’t have to physically attack the guy to bring his act to an end. Just a momentary distraction is all it takes.

We don’t impose any price whatsoever on them for their mischief. The sanctions are a laugh. They aren’t that big a deal to start with, and anyone who wants to just ignores them with impunity.

Until they start encountering some truly hard choices about just how important their nuclear program is to them, and what they are willing to do without in order to support it, they will simply continue to ‘negotiate’ and go right on with development.


13 posted on 01/10/2010 7:24:34 AM PST by jwparkerjr
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To: jwparkerjr
One thing that could unite the Persian people behind the regime is an outside attack.

Petreaus' remarks are not offhand, he is clearly the conduit for sending a message from higher up.

14 posted on 01/10/2010 7:30:39 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The CRU needs adult supervision.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

The saudis must endorse the plan....so now it is possible that it can trickle down....


15 posted on 01/10/2010 7:35:59 AM PST by himno hero
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

re: One thing that could unite the Persian people behind the regime is an outside attack

True. But the goal of an attack would be to prevent the use of a nuclear device against a US city or Israel. Compared to the outcome of such an attack, the uniting of the people behind the regime responsible for it would be of little consequence.

If there is such an attack on us, or Israel, there is little doubt what the response should be. IMHO, it makes no sense to make an attack on them dependent on them striking first. If they attack, and then we attack, there’s going to be a much higher casualty count than if are attack prevents their attack.


16 posted on 01/10/2010 7:36:44 AM PST by jwparkerjr
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To: Strategy; All
I don't think the iranians will test once they get the bomb.

I think they will smuggle it into Israel and conduct the "test" there, if it works, it takes out a great deal of Israel, but if it fails, it acts as a dirty bomb and many die of radiation poisoning.

What do you guys think?

17 posted on 01/10/2010 7:42:02 AM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Kakaze
if it fails, it acts as a dirty bomb and many die of radiation poisoning.

Interesting plan, but Israel is too small with too much technology on the entry ports (from what I understand, I'm no expert) to get the bomb in there. But if they could pull it off your plan would unfortunately be a logical one.

18 posted on 01/10/2010 7:47:55 AM PST by paulycy (AMERICA: Less safe. Less free. More broke.)
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To: Strategy

This will get the good General into some conflict with his Leftist, pansy assed, we can’t whining, alleged leadership crowd.

We gotta win in November.


19 posted on 01/10/2010 7:50:32 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: Strategy
Petraeus/Palin 2012

21 posted on 01/10/2010 8:03:07 AM PST by Syncro (TPXIII coming this Spring! March 27th to April 15th 2010, GIANT Rally in DC!)
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To: jwparkerjr

I was responding to the assertion that an attack would destabilize the regime. I fear that it would have the opposite effect.

I agree, we need to realistically evaluate the threat and act in our own interests.


22 posted on 01/10/2010 8:07:50 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The CRU needs adult supervision.)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

Don’t be so sure. This is Obama’s wag the dog.


23 posted on 01/10/2010 8:12:37 AM PST by lookout88 (.combat rescue officer's dad,)
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To: Strategy

Did anyone ever say they could not be bombed?


24 posted on 01/10/2010 8:13:36 AM PST by Mariner
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To: Ben Ficklin

I like the idea of using the space shuttle to lift a bunch of 59’ tungsten telephone pole sized rods into orbit. Fit the guidance packages once they’re off loaded. If they need to be moved farther out into space to gain more velocity before entering the atmosphere, it shouldn’t take that much fuel.

At an appropriate time launch them at the Iranian nuclear facilities. I think the rod from Allah would be an appropriate name. That and greasing dead terrorists with pig fat before burying them should put the quietus on the Iranians and their clients.

Those are strategies I’d support.


25 posted on 01/10/2010 8:58:17 AM PST by meatloaf
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To: lookout88
"This is Obama’s wag the dog."

He'll have to decide if we are to protect oil supply or Israel.

26 posted on 01/10/2010 9:45:42 AM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Common Sense 101
WHEN?

The moment we impeach and remove the Imperial Imposter.

27 posted on 01/10/2010 9:47:36 AM PST by stboz
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To: Strategy
of course they can, but that has NEVER been the question...
28 posted on 01/10/2010 10:02:51 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Strategy

He will lead at some point. He’s Cheney without the baggage.


29 posted on 01/10/2010 11:16:57 AM PST by kinghorse (The trouble with GREENS is they're too Yellow to admit they're RED.)
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To: hennie pennie; jhpigott
Image and video hosting by TinyPic "Esfahan has another feature, however, that suggests a serious problem. North of the facility, there are a pair of roads that clearly reveal entrances to tunnels within the mountain." http://www.isis-online.org/publications/iran/esfahantunnels.html
30 posted on 01/10/2010 11:50:29 AM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/952/iran-the-bomb-3-strike-options

http://www.isis-online.org/publications/iran/esfahantunnels.html

“New Satellite Images Show Tunnel Construction at Esfahan Facility in Iran
February 17, 2005”,,,

I wonder how far they could dig in 5 years ?...


31 posted on 01/10/2010 12:08:56 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

Huummm

A AGM130 with a SMAK 84 shell loaded as a thermobaric warhead. (SMAK 84 is a ES1b steek casing for the bomb)

Drop 2, 30 seconds apart with the same target coordinates.

I guess if you collape the tunnel, you get everything else?


32 posted on 01/10/2010 12:27:16 PM PST by ASOC (In case of attack, tune to 640 kilocycles or 1240 kilocycles on your AM dial.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets; All; Spunky; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1035rep; 2ndDivisionVet; 4woodenboats; ...
The “outside attack will unite the people for the regime” is pure B.S. and a Mullah talking point and dhimmis in the USA trying to prevent an attack.

In this case, it includes a bunch of solidly anti-regime people in the Iranian Diaspora who have relatives back home and understandably fear for their safety.

You would be amazed at the number of Emails and messages coming out of Iran saying we prefer to be bombed than living under this regime.

Many feel helpless and do not believe that committing suicide and facing torture in the street demonstrations is as effective as a bombing attack on nuke sites which would weaken the regime to where perhaps they could effectively react and complete an overthrow.

Please think twice before spreading this canard of “uniting the Iranian people against us”. It has been an excuse for doing nothing for two decades. And a gross misreading of the situation to be able to procrastinate.

BTW - could the Petraeus comment also indicate the military is getting fed up with the Obama mindsets and showing it?

And BTW, the Islamic regime has arrested and is putting on trial five MEK (Mojaheddin), whom they fear like the devil incarnate. And shows their worry of the MEK, who other than their Marxist-Islamist ideals are simply populace like Iranian Joe and Jill six-pack without a cattle brand on their foreheads with MEK identifying them.

This move starts an effort to demonize them again and stop the MEK from becoming active in the protests.

33 posted on 01/10/2010 1:09:44 PM PST by FARS (Be well, be happy and THRIVE! Happy New Year.)
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To: Mariner; All

Yes! The Mullahs, every dhimmi and their uncles and the liberal left.

They repeatedly state that it would not destroy the nuke facilities so a waste of time and effort. Teh fact it would bury access to them for many months if not years and damage the equipment is ignored.

Like ignoring that if it will take 10-years to drill in the USA and bring oil online, the we had better start now. And had we done so years ago would be closer to self-sufficiency.

But the Obama would not have a reason to buy oil from his buddy in charge of Brazilian off-shore drilling operations.


34 posted on 01/10/2010 1:20:28 PM PST by FARS (Be well, be happy and THRIVE! Happy New Year.)
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To: ASOC

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geusK1OkpLbkABe_9XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEycWZiajdrBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0Y5NDVfOTc-/SIG=12cqeenee/EXP=1263242293/**http%3a//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_Ordnance_Penetrator

Penetration:
200 ft (61 m) of 5,000 psi (34 MPa) reinforced concrete
26 ft (7.9 m) of 10,000 psi (69 MPa) reinforced concrete
130 ft (40 m) of moderately hard rock

I can’t find any info on how deep the AGM-130C will

penetrate but I don’t think it has the reach of the M.O.P.

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu5m8HURLF58Afo1XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEycWZiajdrBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0Y5NDVfOTc-/SIG=1224lfrln/EXP=1262841660/**http%3a//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheyenne_Mountain

If we use Cheyenne Mountain as a benchmark,,,

Some of these sites are under those mountains,,,

Maybe a 1,000 ft. of hard rock over them,,,?

Blast doors etc...?

(errand)...bbl...


35 posted on 01/10/2010 1:30:55 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: FARS

I think Israel would take care of business


36 posted on 01/10/2010 1:45:21 PM PST by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: Strategy

Governor Palin/General Petraeus 2012. (Duncan Hunter for Secretary of Defense, John Bolton for Secretary of State, Fred Thompson as Attorney General)
See my tagline.


37 posted on 01/10/2010 2:00:28 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2 million for Sarah Palin: What will you do?)
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To: FARS
>>>> "BTW - could the Petraeus comment also indicate the military is getting fed up with the Obama mindsets and showing it?" <<<<

Yes, I could see that as a reason for the general speaking up, OR perhaps this is his way of announcing interest in a presidential run.

Afterall, I certainly don't remember BHO showing any inclination to bomb the nuke facilities.... so why in heaven's name should we believe that General Petraeus is speaking out on BHO's behalf?

38 posted on 01/10/2010 2:40:01 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: FARS
The “outside attack will unite the people for the regime” is pure B.S. and a Mullah talking point and dhimmis in the USA trying to prevent an attack.

I totally agree.

Our 0Mullah is an 0Mama! He's afraid of his own shadow!

39 posted on 01/10/2010 2:46:50 PM PST by melancholy (Stop USA change, destroy the 0b0z0ne layer!)
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To: FARS

Once saw a comment by an Iranian on being attacked by the US over the nuclear issue - Kill as many of us as you need, just get rid of the mullas...


40 posted on 01/10/2010 3:46:15 PM PST by PIF
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To: Strategy

But socializing medicine and taking over even more of our free enterprise is SO much more important. /s


41 posted on 01/10/2010 4:25:48 PM PST by Allegra (It doesn't matter what this tagline says...the liberals are going to call it "racist.")
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To: FARS; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...

Thanks FARS.


42 posted on 01/10/2010 9:10:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: FARS

Thanks for the ping!


43 posted on 01/10/2010 10:35:12 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: FARS

BTW - could the Petraeus comment also indicate the military is getting fed up with the Obama mindsets and showing it?<<<

Good question.

Israel is also getting fed up with all the nonsense games from our leaders.


44 posted on 01/10/2010 11:37:39 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/21813ht92/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Both parties mentioned are seemingly preparing to take action “with extreme prejudice” as the saying goes.


45 posted on 01/11/2010 12:05:37 AM PST by FARS (Be well, be happy and THRIVE! Happy New Year.)
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To: SunkenCiv; FARS; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...
I am a backer of Petraeus/Palin 2012.

But before folks go bomb-Iran-happy, I think it safe to assume that there are a few Iranians missiles with dirty bomb warheads ready to fly toward Israel as we speak. Petraeus said it could be done. He DID NOT say it's a good idea.

It is very possible for us to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities, but Iran is bigger than all of Western Europe combined, so while we definitely would seriously impair their nuclear program and set it back a decade or so, there is no way air attacks are going to blunt all of their offensive missle capabilites, even if we go nuclear in a first strike.

Iran's missiles don't have to be brand-new state-of-the-art tech, just good enough to come near a city-sized target and contaminate it with radioactive material wrapped around a conventional war head. In some ways, that's worse than a real nuke. Improved SCUD II's on mobile launchers could do it. Frankly, I think this is the only reason Iran has not been bombed by now.

46 posted on 01/11/2010 6:57:29 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (The eligibility topic is closed (for me) until after Writs of Quo Warranto hearings are held.)
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To: Kenny Bunk; All; Spunky; ~Kim4VRWC's~; JustPiper; 1035rep; 2ndDivisionVet; 4woodenboats; ...

More precisely, perhaps,Iran is about the size of Texas, actually a tad smaller. Huge chunk of brush desert in the center. You do not have to bomb the whole area.

Sadly, several nuke sites built on purpose below population centers leading to civilian collateral damage estimated at around 20,000 with warning to populace and about double that if no warning provided to evacuate.

Apart from lack of moral equivalency, that civilian damage is a tiny fraction of the million or more Israelis who will be killed or maimed after a nuke attack by Iran somewhere on Central Israel. Does not even have to be pinpointed.

The radiation poisoning will also remove all Palestinians,from where they live near Israel (if they stay alive) regardless of factions so they might wise up and try to prevent and sabotage Iran rather than suicidally invite Iranian destruction on themselves and their families.

Then again, who ever asserted they were using their brains rather than brawn or in training suicide bombers (including those being imported into the USA by Oba-Hussein as “refugees”) are still “sane”?

In that context, who is closer to being in suicide mode, Obama or the Palestinians? You decide. Both are hell bent on destroying their nations.

BTW, the most important part of an effective bombing campaign is the “removal with extreme prejudice” of the Suppression Forces, not simply the nuke sites.

Already an act of war the bombs must also destroy all the Revolutionary Guard conventional weapons depots, missile sites, armored vehicles tanks etc., which would lead to a final uprising of the populace.

The collateral damage here could amount to some 100,000 dead paramilitary, core armed forces of the Islamic regime.

Also lost to the public, anyone in deep bunkers like the one built for himself by the Supreme Ruler some 250 feet underground would have little survival potential. While we have bombs which can breach such bunkers, possibly with several dropped on the same spot, the shock waves thus created would destroy any living creature inside them. Compressing the interior air and also through vibrations. The outer shell would not need to be breached.


47 posted on 01/11/2010 1:16:26 PM PST by FARS (Be well, be happy and THRIVE! Happy New Year.)
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To: FARS

“We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren’t punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That’s war. And this is war.” - Ann Coulter


48 posted on 01/11/2010 1:20:49 PM PST by jessduntno (We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation..." - B. Hussein Obama)
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To: FARS; All; Spunky; ~Kim4VRWC's~; JustPiper; 1035rep; 2ndDivisionVet; 4woodenboats
I have little doubt that in a matter of 3 weeks, our targeting of all the sites in Iran that you mention could be accomplished.

My main fear is what they do in the meantime. That huge chunk of central Iran that is a wasteland is perfect missile and mobile launcher hiding territory. If just 2 dirty missiles hit Israeli population centers, It weould be hard to tell who won, or who lost this exchange.

The Shiite sect is awaiting Armageddon. The world to be purified by fire, all infidels and bad Muslims (read "non-Shiites") to die and become the slaves in Paradise of the Shiites, who also die. Allah gets a clean slate for the all-new, all-Muslim world. I wish I were making this world-view up, but I am not. It is what they actually believe. As far as taking out bunkers 250 ft underground, well OK. As long as you're hitting the right bunker. Militarily, this is no one-shot, one-kill piece of cake

49 posted on 01/11/2010 2:07:50 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (The eligibility topic is closed (for me) until after Writs of Quo Warranto hearings are held.)
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To: hennie pennie

*bookmark*


50 posted on 01/11/2010 2:11:54 PM PST by hennie pennie
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