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Bush Was Right On Stem Cell Research After All
The Hayride ^ | 1/14/2010 | MacAoidh

Posted on 01/14/2010 7:49:17 AM PST by Hayrider

From California comes an interesting bit of news on the Bush-era controversy surrounding embryonic stem cell research.

Remember stem cells? That was a red-hot issue in the previous decade, as it had all the hallmarks of the classic left-wing meme; the Luddite Christians standing in the way of a glorious scientific revolution due to their quaint and obsolete notions on abortion and their overheated morality.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehayride.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: bush; bushwasrightagain; california; presidentbush; stemcell
Amazing how little you hear about stem cells these days, isn't it?
1 posted on 01/14/2010 7:49:20 AM PST by Hayrider
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To: Hayrider

Farah Fawcett and Dominick Dunne went to Germany for embryonic stem cell treatment of their cancer.

Both are dead.

The exploitation of those who are desperately seeking medical treatment is immoral.


2 posted on 01/14/2010 7:51:59 AM PST by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: Hayrider

Wonder what Michael J Fox has to say about it now.


3 posted on 01/14/2010 7:56:09 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: Hayrider
Didnt Kerry say he would save lives with this issue? And other democrats too? What a joke!

The reason why Bush and republicans couldn't sell this argument is they were spending so much money and growing government so much that a fiscal defense for what was basically a conservative moral argument looked lame. .

4 posted on 01/14/2010 8:01:32 AM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is spending you demand stupid")
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To: sickoflibs

That’s an excellent point.

It should be said, though, that the fact research dollars from Bush administration grants using adult stem cells has contributed to some 73 treatments will never be brought forth. He’ll get zero credit for having advanced science in this regard; all anybody will say is that he stood in the way.

I have no special brief for Bush, but I’m not sure there has ever been a president who’s had so many lies told about him. Funny thing about lies, though - they get found out eventually. Just ask Obama.


5 posted on 01/14/2010 8:06:26 AM PST by Hayrider
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To: sickoflibs
The other misstep on this issue is the misnomer "adult". The issue has nothing to do with embryonic vs. adult. It's about using your own cells vs. cells from a foreign donor. Read the IBD article. In every successful "Adult" stem cell treatment the "adult" donor in question is the patient himself. My "adult" cells would be just as toxic to you as some embryo's. It's all about histocompatibility.

If the right had the sense to frame the debate in these terms rather than allowing themselves to get bogged down in morality it would have won the debate handily years ago. Ultimately the science is correcting this misstep but even as science is quietly acknowledging that autologous (self-donation) is the only way to go, the press on all sides still refuses to reframe the issue.

In 2010 how many people understand that the only "adult" cells that can help them in stem cell therapy are their own cells?

6 posted on 01/14/2010 8:24:18 AM PST by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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To: Hayrider

By the time Bush did the veto he was politically toxic. He had lost all credibility.

Yes democrats were on rapid-fire. Shoot at anything that moves.(I watched MSNBC during that painful period.) But the key was that the public already had lost faith in him : Iraq, Katrina, Marriot Myers, Gas prices, deficits, ... all fit together in a nice narrative that voters believed(except FR and talk radio maybe) : ‘Bush was a screw up with no credibility’.. So then he tries to pitch a case against research?? (as his first veto?) Not going to fly at that point.


7 posted on 01/14/2010 8:24:34 AM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is spending you demand stupid")
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To: Carley
Well, in their defense, they did stop breathing.

That'll get you every time.

8 posted on 01/14/2010 8:38:37 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Hayrider
Adult stem cells can produce results, while embryonic stem cell research is a dead end.

The dead end is that embryonic stem cells are unreliable and are prone to grow cancers and no one could figure out how to mediate that kind of result.

9 posted on 01/14/2010 8:45:56 AM PST by Slyfox
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To: Hayrider
IMHO, if embryonic stem cells contained any type of viable treatment option, then companies would be throwing money at the technology with both fists.

It might be happening in places other than the US...places more friendly to the almighty dollar, rather than the almighty... but it would be happening.

So....is it happening? How many miracle cures have come out over the past 10 years or so?

10 posted on 01/14/2010 9:20:00 AM PST by wbill
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To: Carley

I know of someone who went away for stem cell treatment for MS. Did no good.


11 posted on 01/14/2010 9:26:32 AM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: AustinBill
RE :”If the right had the sense to frame the debate in these terms rather than allowing themselves to get bogged down in morality it would have won the debate handily years ago.

That would have been a great way to frame it. The embryonic stem cell research issue reminds me of ethanol.. The clueless public at the prompting of media types demands the federal government (looks like it) finds a solution so the government wastes even more money on counterproductive processes

The moral argument against using these stem cells was a politiocal loser(the Terri Schivo actions by republicans was a political disaster too.) And it fed into the democrat's narrative that Bush was an uneducated idiot that took orders from the religious right (and Dick Cheney too.)

From the public's view Bush didn't have the moral authority to deny ANY spending because of his own spending history.

12 posted on 01/14/2010 9:54:11 AM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is spending you demand stupid")
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To: wbill
How many miracle cures have come out over the past 10 years or so?

Stem cell research is in its infancy, but there is definite progress being made. Some people with sickle-cell anemia, leukemia, "bubble boy" disease & other problems have unquestionably been helped.

The main problem is typically impatient people who don't realize the decades of research, testing, re-testing, new research as a result of those tests, etc, etc that are needed to make even modest gains.

13 posted on 01/14/2010 9:58:22 AM PST by gdani (I just want to be left on this block of ice...)
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To: Hayrider
I have no special brief for Bush, but I’m not sure there has ever been a president who’s had so many lies told about him.

John Adams. Jefferson's party attacked him relentlessly and he came to be regarded by history as the worthless President who created the hated Alien and Sedition acts. In recent years he's been given a more balanced treatment and comes out remarkably well, the lightning bolt that struck and sparked the revolution!

14 posted on 01/14/2010 11:13:59 AM PST by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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